What are you the most *upset* about with the newly leaked 5D4 specs?

[Jack Douglas]

So people are working out that Canon doesn't want them using the 5DIV for video, Canon wants people spending more for video ...

Some people here don't get this....

Do you know what "confirmation bias" means? Or "selection effect"? Look it up. Meanwhile, all the people already using Canon DSLRs for video happily keep doing that without feeling the need to write up passive-aggressive blog posts about it.

SUBJECT: What are you the most *upset* about with the newly leaked 5D4 specs?

Did you even read what pro's like Philip wrote about the 5d MkIV? People been using old Canon cameras for video and the new 2016 5d MkIV is already outdated product. But Canon fanboys would even accept 1080i with 2.5 crop factor...

For the Psychologist here: "Acceptance of reality is key to ending the suffering of emotional pain" :-*
And since you brought it up: Confirmation bias occurs from the direct influence of desire on beliefs.
I guess all the professional reviews are wrong and paid by Sony and Nikon and we are all living in the MATRIX.

So lets say all the reviewers are right. The 5D4 is poor and outdated already. What's the problem if I buy it and enjoy it. What's the problem if I'm generally satisfied purchasing and using an inferior camera with my inferior lenses. I'm not motivated by having gear better than the next guy. I'm motivated by having what fits my needs as I perceive them, so Canon gets my money. That's money that a few years ago was going to Nikon.

Jack

 

[M_S]

So people are working out that Canon doesn't want them using the 5DIV for video, Canon wants people spending more for video ...

Some people here don't get this....

Do you know what "confirmation bias" means? Or "selection effect"? Look it up. Meanwhile, all the people already using Canon DSLRs for video happily keep doing that without feeling the need to write up passive-aggressive blog posts about it.

SUBJECT: What are you the most *upset* about with the newly leaked 5D4 specs?

Did you even read what pro's like Philip wrote about the 5d MkIV? People been using old Canon cameras for video and the new 2016 5d MkIV is already outdated product. But Canon fanboys would even accept 1080i with 2.5 crop factor...

For the Psychologist here: "Acceptance of reality is key to ending the suffering of emotional pain" :-*
And since you brought it up: Confirmation bias occurs from the direct influence of desire on beliefs.
I guess all the professional reviews are wrong and paid by Sony and Nikon and we are all living in the MATRIX.

So lets say all the reviewers are right. The 5D4 is poor and outdated already. What's the problem if I buy it and enjoy it. What's the problem if I'm generally satisfied purchasing and using an inferior camera with my inferior lenses. I'm not motivated by having gear better than the next guy. I'm motivated by having what fits my needs as I perceive them, so Canon gets my money. That's money that a few years ago was going to Nikon.

Jack

Nothing wrong with that. If it fits you, then its good for you. No problem there. Canon selling it as the hottest thing in town for a premium price is where question marks pop up. DPAF being the exception. Its outdated upon arrival in some key areas like card tech, video codec, hdmi interface that this will be a hard pill to swallow at least for me. As I posted in another thread, I will wait and see what the competition brings to the table.

 

[John2016]

So people are working out that Canon doesn't want them using the 5DIV for video, Canon wants people spending more for video ...

Some people here don't get this....

Do you know what "confirmation bias" means? Or "selection effect"? Look it up. Meanwhile, all the people already using Canon DSLRs for video happily keep doing that without feeling the need to write up passive-aggressive blog posts about it.

SUBJECT: What are you the most *upset* about with the newly leaked 5D4 specs?

Did you even read what pro's like Philip wrote about the 5d MkIV? People been using old Canon cameras for video and the new 2016 5d MkIV is already outdated product. But Canon fanboys would even accept 1080i with 2.5 crop factor...

For the Psychologist here: "Acceptance of reality is key to ending the suffering of emotional pain" :-*
And since you brought it up: Confirmation bias occurs from the direct influence of desire on beliefs.
I guess all the professional reviews are wrong and paid by Sony and Nikon and we are all living in the MATRIX.

So lets say all the reviewers are right. The 5D4 is poor and outdated already. What's the problem if I buy it and enjoy it. What's the problem if I'm generally satisfied purchasing and using an inferior camera with my inferior lenses. I'm not motivated by having gear better than the next guy. I'm motivated by having what fits my needs as I perceive them, so Canon gets my money. That's money that a few years ago was going to Nikon.

Jack

Nothing wrong with that. The camera is just outdated for video. Trust me I would like this would be the opposite.

 

[BokehBalls]

We can't go through between RAW-DPRAW modes with single button. We have to change the mode by entering menu.

 

[Sharlin]

Nothing wrong with that. The camera is just outdated for video. Trust me I would like this would be the opposite.

And funnily for everyone saying that there's a stills photographer complaining that Canon is just adding video features and neglecting "real photography" Canon just can't win so they make compromises.

 

[tron]

... The camera is just outdated for video. Trust me I would like this would be the opposite.

And I would not! Anyway like it or not it is a stills camera with video being just the bonus.

 

[deadwrong]

PRICE vs overall features is my main gripe.

Way too expensive of a camera that is going to get runover within a year by competitors.

 

[Deleted member 7828]

My biggest hurdle in spending this much on a new body is how much better high ISO results i will get , looking at the manual AUTO ISO range is now 100-12800 instead of 100-6400 which if that meant 12800 is now as good as 6400 would be a significant increase but I think i will be waiting for some sample images to see if that's the case.

Don't hold your breath...even the 1DX II shows only ~2/3 stop Raw high ISO improvement over the 5D3, and that's with a slight DECREASE in MP count. At 30 MP, at best I would expect performance to be similar, if not slightly worse.

That said, it's also possible that the noise pattern may be finer, meaning that the files may "clean up" better in post - but let's see reviews and samples. Hopefully they come sooner rather than later as I'm weighing some big purchase decisions right now...

 

[ahsanford]

My biggest hurdle in spending this much on a new body is how much better high ISO results i will get , looking at the manual AUTO ISO range is now 100-12800 instead of 100-6400 which if that meant 12800 is now as good as 6400 would be a significant increase but I think i will be waiting for some sample images to see if that's the case.

Don't hold your breath...even the 1DX II shows only ~2/3 stop Raw high ISO improvement over the 5D3, and that's with a slight DECREASE in MP count. At 30 MP, at best I would expect performance to be similar, if not slightly worse.

That said, it's also possible that the noise pattern may be finer, meaning that the files may "clean up" better in post - but let's see reviews and samples. Hopefully they come sooner rather than later as I'm weighing some big purchase decisions right now...

Surely, ^^ this ^^ is where the opportunity is.

Also, the 5DS experience has taught us that the pixel-level noise may be worse than the 5D3, but 5DS files downsampled to 5D3 resolution look pretty damn good.

That epiphany (on my part) somewhat helped me not be an enemy of more pixels -- with the 5DS, you get absurd detail when the light is good, and you get something on the order of 5D3 when the light is not good. So in that sort of value proposition, the 5DS's extra pixels are only a takeaway from hard drive space and not the end product's IQ. (We can obviously split hairs on that, but directionally, downsampling manages noise to some extent.)

- A

 

[martti]

Nothing about the specs, really. But when I was the sample images I knew that I have to get a next generation Canon body pretty soon. Bref, they looked like I want my out-of-camera .jpgs to look.
then you have touch focus and both contrast and double pixel focusing on LiveView. Plus tracking.


I had everything settled out, I need a new camera because the old one drowned but this is the one I want!

 

[Deleted member 7828]

DPR has studio scene images from the 5D4 up. First impressions from a mobile screen: good news is that high ISO performance is similar to - and at the highest settings, slightly better than - the 5D3...bad news, image appears softer (have to verify on the computer). Not unlike the 1DX - 1DX II jump. Suspect either a software-based issue (they did say they used beta ACR) or a stronger AA filter.

Even with that, 5D4 still pulling out more detail in images due to the resolution increase (which is noticeable).

 

[Mr. Milo]

I'm just upset at the price.

I knew they were not going to put in C-log though way before the leaks over a month ago. Read my old posts to see how I progressed by accepting it. I have to keep working with Cinestyle and Marvel's Advanced Profile. It sucks but oh well.

For people saying that professional filmmakers can't use this? BS. They can and they will. It didn't stop Hollywood from using the 5D Mark II and Mark III. They're not going to stop now.

Dual Pixel AF with Touchscreen and face detection are critical. I can glidecam, steadicam, and take pictures without worrying about focusing so focus peaking is not needed. The Canon C100 Mark II and C300 Mark II can't do that. Sony A7 S II and Nikon can't do that.

As I wrote before, 4K is trash for anyone here chasing it. It eats up memory too fast and CFast 2.0 is too effin' expensive. Canon did me a huge favor by sticking with SD cards. MJPEG codec, I don't care because I couldn't care less about 4K.

You want 4K Full Frame with with all the goods and not many restrictions? You have to pay more for that right now. It makes sense. Canon is protecting their higher end digital cinema cameras. I would, too.

Look at the Nikon D5. Can only film 4K for 3 minutes. You want more? Pay more; get Ninja Atomos. Then again, Nikon's 4K is UHD. It's not DCI. The camera costs $6500+.

Get the Nikon D500. It records in 4K, but it's not DCI. Also, doesn't have Dual Pixel AF with Touch Screen. Both D5 and D500 4K is cropped. Go bitch to Nikon.

Let's examine the Canon 1DC of 2012. The 4K is cropped 1.3x. See? It's all good.

In 2020, yes Canon will have full frame 4K DSLR and clean HDMI out for it. It's just not worth it as of 2016. BTW, in 2020, Canon will not give you focus peaking, zebra, and c-log.

Go to Sony and Nikon if you want that. I'm not. Canon lens are unrivaled; truly spectacular compared to the others. Pretty stupid for me to change to Sony/Nikon/Panasonic.

For any professional filmmaker (Hollywood, indie, Youtube/Vimeo) reading this, the audience does not care and WILL NOT notice if your film, commercial, documentary, promo piece, wedding, music video are shot in 4K DCI Full Frame.

All broadcast stations project in 1080i so I don't see any need for our work to be in 4K unless the client specifically asks for it and willing to pay more for that, but that's rare so I don't see it.

Full Frame DCI 4K on a DSLR is not ready for prime time right now. That's the reality. Sony A7 S II 4K is not ready either because that mirrorless camera overheats and kills battery life fast. It's not worth it.

 

[TAF]

I did a quick scan of the manual, and it seems that yet again we have a camera without interchangeable focus screens.

Am I getting that right, or did I miss the section?

If I got that right, no thank you. My 5D3 is just fine, and I'll wait and see what the 6D2 brings (which will also be less expensive).

A new 24-105, OTOH, sounds like something I'll be getting.

 

[time123]

I am a bit surprised that they did not increase the number of auto-focus points leading to a greater coverage in the viewfinder. You can compare the spread of points between the 5D4 and 5D3 here (it's pretty nifty actually): http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV.aspx. I know they spread the points a little bit further but I guess I was expecting more. I suppose I may have let my imagination run wild over the past year and half with the 5D3 successor being just around the corner and seeing the spread in the 7D2.

 

[Jack Douglas]

I am a bit surprised that they did not increase the number of auto-focus points leading to a greater coverage in the viewfinder. You can compare the spread of points between the 5D4 and 5D3 here (it's pretty nifty actually): http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV.aspx. I know they spread the points a little bit further but I guess I was expecting more. I suppose I may have let my imagination run wild over the past year and half with the 5D3 successor being just around the corner and seeing the spread in the 7D2.

Crop cameras facilitate greater spread than FF.

Jack

 

[privatebydesign]

I am a bit surprised that they did not increase the number of auto-focus points leading to a greater coverage in the viewfinder. You can compare the spread of points between the 5D4 and 5D3 here (it's pretty nifty actually): http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV.aspx. I know they spread the points a little bit further but I guess I was expecting more. I suppose I may have let my imagination run wild over the past year and half with the 5D3 successor being just around the corner and seeing the spread in the 7D2.

Crop cameras facilitate greater spread than FF.

Jack

That really depends on what metric you measure it by.

If you think of the spread as arc then they are the same its just the crop camera never captures over half the image the ff camera does.

However if you consider the spread in image equivalence terms, same place different lenses to get the same framed image, the crop camera does effectively have a larger spread in image coverage terms.

 

[Jack Douglas]

I am a bit surprised that they did not increase the number of auto-focus points leading to a greater coverage in the viewfinder. You can compare the spread of points between the 5D4 and 5D3 here (it's pretty nifty actually): http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV.aspx. I know they spread the points a little bit further but I guess I was expecting more. I suppose I may have let my imagination run wild over the past year and half with the 5D3 successor being just around the corner and seeing the spread in the 7D2.

Crop cameras facilitate greater spread than FF.

Jack

That really depends on what metric you measure it by.

If you think of the spread as arc then they are the same its just the crop camera never captures over half the image the ff camera does.

However if you consider the spread in image equivalence terms, same place different lenses to get the same framed image, the crop camera does effectively have a larger spread in image coverage terms.

Right on. I just offered this in case no one else did. I never remember the technical details.

Scott, the 400 is impressing but there certainly is a different bokeh in some situations that isn't quite as nice as the 300.

Jack

 

[crashpc]

My "upset" is that I don´t see enaugh "jump" from 5D III, so I don´t expect my bodies (EOS M5) to get really better, or on par with for example D7200 sensor. I expect no less than that.

 

[Jack Douglas]

My "upset" is that I don´t see enaugh "jump" from 5D III, so I don´t expect my bodies (EOS M5) to get really better, or on par with for example D7200 sensor. I expect no less than that.

Some have suggested, and I'm inclined to agree, that top end cameras have gotten so good that improvements are not going to be as dramatic, in the future. There will be game changers such as DPAF, no doubt, but short of that sort of thing it simply is going to be incremental and that has a positive outcome - it's easier on the pocket book when you're not inclined to upgrade. I'm sure Canon doesn't see it that way!

Jack

 

[crashpc]

Yes. I can see that. Well, for my purposes and sight, I prefer that new sensor over recent Canons 80D sensor by full one stop. That´s where I would accept to be. Now I´m on Nikons D600 sensor, which is even better, but I don´t want to go down a lot. Just a stop, as crop area dictates.