What are you the most *upset* about with the newly leaked 5D4 specs?
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ahsanford said:
ahhhh comon.. just because he had NO CLUE what the nuclear triad is ..
and trump said.. "why can't i use nuclear weapons??"
and Katrina was quoted as saying.. "what good is a nuclear triad if you are afraid to use it.. "
nothing at all to be afraid of. :
back on target..
the 5D Mark III has been admittedly after a few years .. everyone figured out that canon created one of the most well rounded cameras in the market.
everyone said it was a DISASTER when it was released.. same with the 6D
it's really hard to upgrade that and keep the same mentality and keep everyone happy.
However, there's no real new tech unless it's the RAW file format.
which is a bit of a downer, how long before we see a full marriage for video / liveview shooting and stills?
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I find the information we have so far pointing at a very capable camera. My usual concern is manual focus capability, which I know nothing of yet. I fear it is the same rubbish we´ve had on the 5DIII and 5DS/R. However the main unanswered area is what the sensor will deliver. Noise, low light performance, DR etc. The new dual pixel feature is also intriguing.
Things I don´t like is another new battery (unless old batteries can be charged on the new charger), new grip and the bloody SD card (I have just had another one falling apart ...). I am also amongst the minority who would have been happy with a flip screen. Very useful for macro and for portraits. Built in remote flash control would have been nice.
Things I don´t like is another new battery (unless old batteries can be charged on the new charger), new grip and the bloody SD card (I have just had another one falling apart ...). I am also amongst the minority who would have been happy with a flip screen. Very useful for macro and for portraits. Built in remote flash control would have been nice.
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Eldar said:
I didn't even put this on the list as it's just pie in the sky. Thought about it including it, but I peg it as unreasonable as expecting 15-16 stops of DR. They just aren't there yet (or more likely) love selling transmitters as an upcharge.
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We definitely need a post voting system in this forum. It's so lovely!
I have a few "likes" to hit.
I have a few "likes" to hit.
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Early read from 33 votes so far: no one is freaking out about one feature not being there. I'm not dismissing the tilty-flippy camp so much as they aren't 2/3 of the respondents.
That tells me this might be the droid(balance of features/predictability/excitement) that we were looking for. The biggest one that would have angered folks would be withholding 4k from this rig (#1 with a bullet) and possibly if they kept the MP down in the 22-24 neighborhood. If either of those happened, especially if there was no 4K, I'd expect that to be 75% of respondents or higher.
Of course, all bets are off once Sony or Nikon poops on the 5D4 sensor at DXO. Then everyone will hate Canon again regardless of the 5D4 value proposition.
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That tells me this might be the droid(balance of features/predictability/excitement) that we were looking for. The biggest one that would have angered folks would be withholding 4k from this rig (#1 with a bullet) and possibly if they kept the MP down in the 22-24 neighborhood. If either of those happened, especially if there was no 4K, I'd expect that to be 75% of respondents or higher.
Of course, all bets are off once Sony or Nikon poops on the 5D4 sensor at DXO. Then everyone will hate Canon again regardless of the 5D4 value proposition.
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I think the sensor will be behind current Nikon and Sony bodies, unless they have some secret new quality improving feature in their new dual pixel RAW format... whatever it turns out to be.
My guess as to what the extra pixels could do is as follows (done on your PC):
1) Average two adjacent pixels for noise-reduction purposes.
2) Create a 120 megapixel image from the data... there will be full information for width (our original 60 megapixels of data), but height information could be interpolated.
3) I doubt the ISO of the pixels can be independently changed... if one set of pixels is natively more/less sensitive than the rest, then we can have dual-ISO... which should significantly boost dynamic range if implemented correctly.
4) As already mentioned, using 60-megapixels of data to create a 30 megapixel image by using a new and improved de-bayering algorithm... could add additional sharpness.
My guess as to what the extra pixels could do is as follows (done on your PC):
1) Average two adjacent pixels for noise-reduction purposes.
2) Create a 120 megapixel image from the data... there will be full information for width (our original 60 megapixels of data), but height information could be interpolated.
3) I doubt the ISO of the pixels can be independently changed... if one set of pixels is natively more/less sensitive than the rest, then we can have dual-ISO... which should significantly boost dynamic range if implemented correctly.
4) As already mentioned, using 60-megapixels of data to create a 30 megapixel image by using a new and improved de-bayering algorithm... could add additional sharpness.
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It isn't a 50MP 1DX2 with 15 stops of DR and 120 fps uncropped 4K uncompressed, 100% functional touch screen and EVF.
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If the Canon logo was removed from the 5D4, and replaced by a Sony logo - they would hail it as one of the greatest cameras.
Let's face it, Team Sony has far better (louder, more dedicated) troll squad promoting their gear and bashing others across the internet. Canon owners are too busy creating good photos to hone those skills.
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If the Canon logo was removed from the 5D4, and replaced by a Sony logo - they would hail it as one of the greatest cameras.
Let's face it, Team Sony has far better (louder, more dedicated) troll squad promoting their gear and bashing others across the internet. Canon owners are too busy creating good photos to hone those skills.
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Price! The upgrades/feature evolution is as expected, so it comes down to how the value compares to existing 5DIII. As a consumer, the price is ALWAYS too high!
I'll wait for the reviews before deciding whether or not the 5DIV is worth the upgrade. Then I'll wait for a good price from gray market sellers. When the 5DIII specs came out, there were many that felt that it wasn't a large upgrade from the 5DII and when the 6D specs came out, many predicted that they preferred a 5DII to a 6D... and yet the 5DIII and 6D were successful. Canon rarely wins the spec headline race, but their cameras just work. I have no idea what this new "dual pixel raw" thing is, but I'll be interested to see how it performs against the 5DIII and against its competitors.
I'll wait for the reviews before deciding whether or not the 5DIV is worth the upgrade. Then I'll wait for a good price from gray market sellers. When the 5DIII specs came out, there were many that felt that it wasn't a large upgrade from the 5DII and when the 6D specs came out, many predicted that they preferred a 5DII to a 6D... and yet the 5DIII and 6D were successful. Canon rarely wins the spec headline race, but their cameras just work. I have no idea what this new "dual pixel raw" thing is, but I'll be interested to see how it performs against the 5DIII and against its competitors.
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Ha...this is hilarious. We are voting on an unannounced/unreleased camera based on rumored specs....but it is Canon RUMORs.
Overall seems very solid. I voted fps. I am a 5DIII owner and may upgrade at some point. A couple of features would make that upgrade sooner rather than later and out of your list more fps would have interested me.
That said, I am very curious as to the benefits of the dual pixel readout, if that is the new thing. I am hoping it can be turned on/off as I do not want >60MB files. If that happens, the 5DsR is my next camera.
But, seems like a solid entry. Seems to fit nicely between the 1DX II, what I expect from the 6DII and the 5DsR.
I am excited to get it into some testers/reviewers hands and get a look at what it can do.
Overall seems very solid. I voted fps. I am a 5DIII owner and may upgrade at some point. A couple of features would make that upgrade sooner rather than later and out of your list more fps would have interested me.
That said, I am very curious as to the benefits of the dual pixel readout, if that is the new thing. I am hoping it can be turned on/off as I do not want >60MB files. If that happens, the 5DsR is my next camera.
But, seems like a solid entry. Seems to fit nicely between the 1DX II, what I expect from the 6DII and the 5DsR.
I am excited to get it into some testers/reviewers hands and get a look at what it can do.
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I think the 5D4 sounds great and I plan to order two of them once pre-orders begin.
So for me, the only real downside is the need for a new grip and batteries.
So for me, the only real downside is the need for a new grip and batteries.
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docsmith said:
The 70D, 80D, and 1DX II have DPAF. Presumably (I hope so) the upcoming 5D Mark IV will have it. It does not double file size. It actually does not affect file size at all. It is for live view touch screen focusing.
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8bit vs 10bit video
no 60fps 4k
the other stuff I might be upset about are how the DR turns out and whether they leave out basic, basic usability features like 100% zoomed box and zebras, but the leaked specs don't really hint one way or the other
no 60fps 4k
the other stuff I might be upset about are how the DR turns out and whether they leave out basic, basic usability features like 100% zoomed box and zebras, but the leaked specs don't really hint one way or the other
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CanonFanBoy said:
Read out from both of the dual pixels, not DPAF. The rumor is new bayer filter and ability to record information from each.
"ever possible to no post-processing of the adjustment dual pixel RAW file (bad translation)
There has been lots of debate what Dual Pixel RAW actually means, so we’re going to wait until we see an official explanation from a Canon document."
Another translation by member Shunsai "That expression Google translated as "ever possible to no post-processing of the adjustment dual pixel RAW file" is "これまでに無い後処理の調整が可能なデュアルピクセルRAWファイル" which might be better translated as "Editable Dual Pixel RAW files (a feature which was previously unavailable up to now)"
All I am saying is I am interested in the feature, but not if it results in >60 MB files all the time. Thus, turning it on and off
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