What are you the most *upset* about with the newly leaked 5D4 specs?

[Ozarker]

Perfectly happy reading new posts about nothing that matters at this time.
I'll read every post studiously when The 5D Mark IV is in the hands of legitimate
photographers and posting worthy photos/comments that illustrate the improvements
or lack there of.
I should have my 5 cords of firewood spilt and stacked by that time.

Hey! Don't hate on the photographers whose dads didn't marry their moms!

 

[Ozarker]

I shoot sporty animal action, birds, with 5D3 and 7D2. I wanted a faster burst-rate, intelligent focus-aware spot metering, but I'll be happy I'm sure.
Does Canon have a tick-tock development cycle? The 5D2 was bitterly disappointing to me, with a frame rate barely suitable for gecko-races, and no improvement in the primitive 5D autofocus (yeah, OK, vastly better IQ, and that video thing). Then came the 5D3, a major tock. I'm resigned that the 5D4 may be just a tick on that awesome tock.

Canon is doomed. Sony.

 

[TAF]

For me, the lack of improvement in ISO is the disappointment. That and no info on more 'higher F number' cross point focus points.

I was hoping for expansion H2 to be 408K, with 102K being the highest 'useable' non-expansion value.

If they continue on this trend of making F4 lenses the new normal (instead of F2.8's or faster), then I expect them to improve their cross point focus points, and give us more ISO.

 

[ahsanford]

For me, the lack of improvement in ISO is the disappointment. That and no info on more 'higher F number' cross point focus points.

I was hoping for expansion H2 to be 408K, with 102K being the highest 'useable' non-expansion value.

If they continue on this trend of making F4 lenses the new normal (instead of F2.8's or faster), then I expect them to improve their cross point focus points, and give us more ISO.

We really don't know enough about the AF system at present -- just the number of points. I'd really be stunned if they didn't give the 5D4 the 1DX2's spread of f/8 AF compatibility. The 1DX and 5D3 mirrored each other's AF systems very closely, so I expect the same with the 1DX2 to the 5D4.

- A

 

[rrcphoto]

For me, the lack of improvement in ISO is the disappointment. That and no info on more 'higher F number' cross point focus points.

I was hoping for expansion H2 to be 408K, with 102K being the highest 'useable' non-expansion value.

If they continue on this trend of making F4 lenses the new normal (instead of F2.8's or faster), then I expect them to improve their cross point focus points, and give us more ISO.

We really don't know enough about the AF system at present -- just the number of points. I'd really be stunned if they didn't give the 5D4 the 1DX2's spread of f/8 AF compatibility. The 1DX and 5D3 mirrored each other's AF systems very closely, so I expect the same with the 1DX2 to the 5D4.

- A

I thought the latest rumors said f/8 on all points.

 

[bholliman]

Nothing to be upset about, it will be what it is. If it offers enough features that interest me I will eventually buy one. If not, I won't.

 

[ahsanford]

Nothing to be upset about, it will be what it is. If it offers enough features that interest me I will eventually buy one. If not I wont.

#yoda #zenshopper

- A

 

[bholliman]

For me, the lack of improvement in ISO is the disappointment. That and no info on more 'higher F number' cross point focus points.

I was hoping for expansion H2 to be 408K, with 102K being the highest 'useable' non-expansion value.

If they continue on this trend of making F4 lenses the new normal (instead of F2.8's or faster), then I expect them to improve their cross point focus points, and give us more ISO.

How can you be disappointed in (high) ISO performance when its an unknown at this point. It really doesn't matter what the maximum ISO settings are in the camera, what matters is the maximum "usable" value. The Nikon D5 have a maximum ISO setting of 3.3 million, but from all the reviews pictures are complete garbage that high. Based on Canon's recent sensors in the 1Dx MkII and 80D, I expect the high ISO performance to be very competitive with Nikon and Sony.

 

[ahsanford]

For me, the lack of improvement in ISO is the disappointment. That and no info on more 'higher F number' cross point focus points.

I was hoping for expansion H2 to be 408K, with 102K being the highest 'useable' non-expansion value.

If they continue on this trend of making F4 lenses the new normal (instead of F2.8's or faster), then I expect them to improve their cross point focus points, and give us more ISO.

How can you be disappointed in (high) ISO performance when its an unknown at this point. It really doesn't matter what the maximum ISO settings are in the camera, what matters is the maximum "usable" value. The Nikon D5 have a maximum ISO setting of 3.3 million, but from all the reviews pictures are complete garbage that high. Based on Canon's recent sensors in the 1Dx MkII and 80D, I expect the high ISO performance to be very competitive with Nikon and Sony.

<rough paraphrasing>

You are correct, of course, but some folks extrapolate what Canon allows you to do (i.e. published limits) with what you'd be happy with the output of. Though we know the proof's in the pudding and testing will dictate the true low light performance, Canon has a B/B+ kind of track record on not posting absurd ISO limits like Nikon does.

So, just using their published limits as a rough read, and assuming their internal standards haven't changed, you could very roughly assume that with the same 'extended' max value as the 5D3, we won't getting 1-2 stops better high iso performance over the 5D3.

</rough paraphrasing>

- A

 

[GMCPhotographics]

For me, it's the lack of interchangeable screens. When using a 85L wide open, I can literally see what's in focus with my fine focus screen in my 5DII. With a view finder dof limited to just over f2.8...I can't see what's in focus and what's slightly off. Which is why I still carry a 5DII....and it's good for coastal shots where salt water is likely and I don't want to use an expensive to replace camera.

 

[ahsanford]

For me, it's the lack of interchangeable screens. When using a 85L wide open, I can literally see what's in focus with my fine focus screen in my 5DII. With a view finder dof limited to just over f2.8...I can't see what's in focus and what's slightly off. Which is why I still carry a 5DII....and it's good for coastal shots where salt water is likely and I don't want to use an expensive to replace camera.

Again, this we don't know yet. What a camera cannot do -- e.g. "We still haven't put interchangeable screens back into the design" -- is not exactly something you see on a spec sheet.

I presume we won't know this until we get an actual 5D4 manual and see what focusing screens are/are not offered, or perhaps if someone hits up Chuck Westfall at a meeting, Reddit AMA, etc.

- A

 

[ashmadux]

I really want a flippy screen- guess ill have to still get a 80d (feels so cheap ) The same base 5d3 + an image improvement would have been heaven.

Otherwise...With EVERY AREA updated...i'm happy as a hog.

7fps is perfect- not too much, not too little. I do worry about that dual pixel thing- as a lightroom user, it's going to be locked to lightroom cc or some scheme they come up with.

Chances are adobe is going to struggle with adapting it. No way im using DPP in my workflow, it's just a crap piece of software.

 

[StudentOfLight]

I really want a flippy screen- guess ill have to still get a 80d (feels so cheap ) The same base 5d3 + an image improvement would have been heaven.

Otherwise...With EVERY AREA updated...i'm happy as a hog.

7fps is perfect- not too much, not too little. I do worry about that dual pixel thing- as a lightroom user, it's going to be locked to lightroom cc or some scheme they come up with.

Chances are adobe is going to struggle with adapting it. No way im using DPP in my workflow, it's just a crap piece of software.

The leaked specs seem to indicate that it will have Wifi. Given the 80D's amazing control-over-wifi capabilities, I won't miss the articulating screen at all. My mobile phone will easily out-rotate an articulating screen and if I need to use two hands on camera all I need is a inexpensive hot-shoe-mount mobile-phone holder... so for me the lack of articulating screen is not a train-smash.

 

[PureClassA]

The leaked specs seem to indicate that it will have Wifi. Given the 80D's amazing control-over-wifi capabilities, I won't miss the articulating screen at all.

Only thing I wonder is if the wifi connection with the EOS Utility app will be able to control active servo DPAF Auto Focusing during video. I don't have a DPAF model, so I have no clue. Anyone? If it can, That would be amazing. But my 6D with Wifi is honestly so damn slow and unreliable I stopped even trying to use it.

 

[TAF]

For me, the lack of improvement in ISO is the disappointment. That and no info on more 'higher F number' cross point focus points.

I was hoping for expansion H2 to be 408K, with 102K being the highest 'useable' non-expansion value.

If they continue on this trend of making F4 lenses the new normal (instead of F2.8's or faster), then I expect them to improve their cross point focus points, and give us more ISO.

We really don't know enough about the AF system at present -- just the number of points. I'd really be stunned if they didn't give the 5D4 the 1DX2's spread of f/8 AF compatibility. The 1DX and 5D3 mirrored each other's AF systems very closely, so I expect the same with the 1DX2 to the 5D4.

- A

I thought the latest rumors said f/8 on all points.

I missed that; thank you for pointing it out.

That's better...

 

[TAF]

For me, the lack of improvement in ISO is the disappointment. That and no info on more 'higher F number' cross point focus points.

I was hoping for expansion H2 to be 408K, with 102K being the highest 'useable' non-expansion value.

If they continue on this trend of making F4 lenses the new normal (instead of F2.8's or faster), then I expect them to improve their cross point focus points, and give us more ISO.

How can you be disappointed in (high) ISO performance when its an unknown at this point. It really doesn't matter what the maximum ISO settings are in the camera, what matters is the maximum "usable" value. The Nikon D5 have a maximum ISO setting of 3.3 million, but from all the reviews pictures are complete garbage that high. Based on Canon's recent sensors in the 1Dx MkII and 80D, I expect the high ISO performance to be very competitive with Nikon and Sony.

'Complete garbage', but you captured an image, vs. you got nothing, is still something.

I've been doing 'available light' for 45 years, and well remember the days of 2475 Recording Film. So what reviewers of today (many of whom weren't born when I was pushing film to 8000 ASA in HC-110) consider complete garbage is often times quite useable to me.

Thing is, I don't want "very competitive with Nikon and Sony", I want Canon to crush them (as we know they can, with some of the special cameras that have been demonstrated).

Ergo: disappointment.

 

[rrcphoto]

For me, the lack of improvement in ISO is the disappointment. That and no info on more 'higher F number' cross point focus points.

I was hoping for expansion H2 to be 408K, with 102K being the highest 'useable' non-expansion value.

If they continue on this trend of making F4 lenses the new normal (instead of F2.8's or faster), then I expect them to improve their cross point focus points, and give us more ISO.

How can you be disappointed in (high) ISO performance when its an unknown at this point. It really doesn't matter what the maximum ISO settings are in the camera, what matters is the maximum "usable" value. The Nikon D5 have a maximum ISO setting of 3.3 million, but from all the reviews pictures are complete garbage that high. Based on Canon's recent sensors in the 1Dx MkII and 80D, I expect the high ISO performance to be very competitive with Nikon and Sony.

'Complete garbage', but you captured an image, vs. you got nothing, is still something.

I've been doing 'available light' for 45 years, and well remember the days of 2475 Recording Film. So what reviewers of today (many of whom weren't born when I was pushing film to 8000 ASA in HC-110) consider complete garbage is often times quite useable to me.

Thing is, I don't want "very competitive with Nikon and Sony", I want Canon to crush them (as we know they can, with some of the special cameras that have been demonstrated).

Ergo: disappointment.

what you are asking for is nearly impossible, the sensors are so much in diminishing returns now - gains will be small if that.

 

[WeekendWarrior]

Should have 8-9 FPS instead of 7.. Seems pretty slow considering it's only 1 fps faster than the current model which is years old. Besides that everything looks ok as long as the quality and DR check out

 

[justawriter]

... that no one will buy me one for Christmas. :

 

[Talley]

i responded with lack of FPS because I wanted 8 but I'm OK with 7.

Outside of that this is the perfect camera ever.