What do you shoot with.

[Don Haines]

The idea was to see how representative the forum members are of the general camera buying public. The blue is the general public, the red is us. I think the results show that we do not accurately represent the general public, despite claims to the contrary by several forum members.

 

[ethanz]

The idea was to see how representative the forum members are of the general camera buying public. The blue is the general public, the red is us. I think the results show that we do not accurately represent the general public, despite claims to the contrary by several forum members.

But the public wants a 5D with the specs of a 1D and the price of a 6D! With no mirror.

Make another thread/poll with the XD series broken down more. Please Don

 

[Maximilian]

maaaaan...
looking at the results (88% of 100 votes for "X ... with ... L") this forum is so heavily off mainstream,
that you could call it 88%+ off mainstream from related to marketing and everything else.

That means all attempts of anybody trying to convince Canon to follow the opinion of this forum (AvTvM, etc. ???) is so ...

IRRATIONAL

that this should be an argument by itself - except to the ones that still belive this forum can change the (photog) world.

 

[Diko]

maaaaan...
looking at the results (88% of 100 votes for "X ... with ... L") this forum is so heavily off mainstream,
that you could call it 88%+ off mainstream from related to marketing and everything else.

That means all attempts of anybody trying to convince Canon to follow the opinion of this forum (AvTvM, etc. ???) is so ...

IRRATIONAL

that this should be an argument by itself - except to the ones that still belive this forum can change the (photog) world.

This is the forum's mainstream.

Would you imagine 2 have a configuration of at least 5 grants (usually more 10x 2 Canon's "generous" price tagging and milking) and not being part of this small community? Here you can always hear a healthy discussion and the neuro mockering. It's fresh and innovative.

Would you trust some well supported review (like the one we saw Canon producing, which reminds me that someone should let Canon know that their PR and Marketing departments urgently need a refresh introductory course in each oné's respective field).

Or you would you prefer to believe that shop assistants who's only purpose is to sell you what is staying for too long and nobody wants to buy?

The most important links I know I've learnt here. And my few dollars went in the right direction and not for some nonsense. ;-)

 

[KeithBreazeal]

AR-15, Caldwell Lead-Sled, and Shooting Table © Keith Breazeal by Keith Breazeal, on Flickr

 

[ethanz]

That is a beauty Keith

 

[Hillsilly]

...That means all attempts of anybody trying to convince Canon to follow the opinion of this forum (AvTvM, etc. ???) is so ...

IRRATIONAL

I'm sure Canon would have absolutely no interest in hearing the opinion of people who spend $6k on camera bodies and buy the $10k+ lenses. It would be way better if the direction of their higher end gear is dictated by surveys of first time DSLR buyers.

 

[tpatana]

The idea was to see how representative the forum members are of the general camera buying public. The blue is the general public, the red is us. I think the results show that we do not accurately represent the general public, despite claims to the contrary by several forum members.

I work for xbox. Some time ago we had presentation by some data statistics team, trying to teach us what is typical gamer.

One of the takeaway from the meeting was that us (xbox team) is very very far away in any metrics compared to actual general public, and whatever we think is typical gamer/gaming, is most likely incorrect as we're so far biased.

Then he showed some graphs. They were pretty much like the one you showed for cameras. (naturally I can't tell details on our graphs, but I was very surprised with those. I always though I was typical average gamer)

 

[dak723]

The idea was to see how representative the forum members are of the general camera buying public. The blue is the general public, the red is us. I think the results show that we do not accurately represent the general public, despite claims to the contrary by several forum members.

Thank you for this poll! Pretty much the only reason I continue to visit this forum is that I am not one of the 88%. So when a newbie posts and asks, "I'm looking for my first DSLR, what do you recommend?" someone can tell them that a Rebel with kit lens will be absolutely fine, rather than recommend about $8,000 worth of expert gear! The folks on this forum are similar to the audiophiles of the early days of stereo. They had to have the most expensive audio equipment and the $5,000 speakers while most of us were happy with our $500 systems that sounded pretty much the same. Of course, the audiophiles wouldn't think so, but they weren't really listening to the music - they were listening to the exact sound of deepest bass note. Just like many hear don't really look at photographs but rather are pixel peeping for noise and measuring DR.

 

[Don Haines]

The idea was to see how representative the forum members are of the general camera buying public. The blue is the general public, the red is us. I think the results show that we do not accurately represent the general public, despite claims to the contrary by several forum members.

Thank you for this poll! Pretty much the only reason I continue to visit this forum is that I am not one of the 88%. So when a newbie posts and asks, "I'm looking for my first DSLR, what do you recommend?" someone can tell them that a Rebel with kit lens will be absolutely fine, rather than recommend about $8,000 worth of expert gear! The folks on this forum are similar to the audiophiles of the early days of stereo. They had to have the most expensive audio equipment and the $5,000 speakers while most of us were happy with our $500 systems that sounded pretty much the same. Of course, the audiophiles wouldn't think so, but they weren't really listening to the music - they were listening to the exact sound of deepest bass note. Just like many hear don't really look at photographs but rather are pixel peeping for noise and measuring DR.

I was talking to friend yesterday about cameras, and he was trying to decide between a 7D2 and an 80D..... My comment was that I got my 7D2 for two reasons.... the wicked level of sealing, and the AF system. My recommendation was that unless you really need those two features, that the 80D would be a better camera.

It's sort of like buying a car that can do 200, or buying a car that can do 250, when the fastest you can go is 110.... advanced features are a waste of money if you don't use them.

 

[Focus Studio]

The most I use, for a few months, now, is 1DX II with 70-200 L II IS and 24-70 L II and 5D III with 16-35 L II, the 6D being demoted as a back-up, with 35/2 IS.

 

[joe_r]

I have a 6D and the old 24-105L, but that's my only L lens. I have the cheap 50mm and 70-300 lenses, the Sigma 105 macro, and Rokinon 14mm. My kit is pretty sparse compared to most here.

 

[LDS]

I think the results show that we do not accurately represent the general public, despite claims to the contrary by several forum members.

Which is no surprise, being a gear-oriented forum - if it was only image-oriented, results would have been different, and there would be also a difference between hobbyists and pros within the "general public".

And also because nor most of the general public nor pros spend time on forums Of course building a representative sample couldn't be done just setting up a site and using those who then access it voluntarily, as pollsters learnt the hard way with many of the recent elections, results are of course skewed.

But it looks we represent not a small source of revenues for Canon most expensive "toys"....

 

[Loswr]

I think the results show that we do not accurately represent the general public, despite claims to the contrary by several forum members.

Which is no surprise, being a gear-oriented forum

No surprise to most of us...

We do not represent the typical customer and we are not representative of the bulk of sales.

says who?? The typical 1DX-2 user? Of course we are representative of the few people left on earth who buy fat and expensive imaging gear rather than just using our smartphones.

 

[Maximilian]

...That means all attempts of anybody trying to convince Canon to follow the opinion of this forum (AvTvM, etc. ???) is so ...

IRRATIONAL

I'm sure Canon would have absolutely no interest in hearing the opinion of people who spend $6k on camera bodies and buy the $10k+ lenses. It would be way better if the direction of their higher end gear is dictated by surveys of first time DSLR buyers.

Hi Hillsilly!

I am quite sure that Canon has their way to do their surveys on high end gear and that IS NOT this forum,
but their program of professionals that also do the testing of prototypes etc.

But surely you know better as you are closely related to the Canon R&D, aren't you?

 

[Maximilian]

maaaaan...
looking at the results (88% of 100 votes for "X ... with ... L") this forum is so heavily off mainstream,
that you could call it 88%+ off mainstream from related to marketing and everything else.

That means all attempts of anybody trying to convince Canon to follow the opinion of this forum (AvTvM, etc. ???) is so ...

IRRATIONAL

that this should be an argument by itself - except to the ones that still belive this forum can change the (photog) world.

This is the forum's mainstream.

Would you imagine 2 have a configuration of at least 5 grants (usually more 10x 2 Canon's "generous" price tagging and milking) and not being part of this small community? Here you can always hear a healthy discussion and the neuro mockering. It's fresh and innovative.

Would you trust some well supported review (like the one we saw Canon producing, which reminds me that someone should let Canon know that their PR and Marketing departments urgently need a refresh introductory course in each oné's respective field).

Or you would you prefer to believe that shop assistants who's only purpose is to sell you what is staying for too long and nobody wants to buy?

The most important links I know I've learnt here. And my few dollars went in the right direction and not for some nonsense. ;-)

Hi Diko!

I thought that my post would be understood as kinda fun. Doesn't seem so although I used emoticons as well.

And don't get me wrong. All you've said about this forum is true.
Well experienced people give good advice and are really helpful.
And I also believe that they are having good opinions on what would be good to develop/release next.
And I love it. Otherwise I wouldn't participate. I've seen too many forums since 1998 that were destroyed by trolls.

But...

Canon is surely making profit not so much in the professional market but in the consumer market, where people buy xxxD/Rebels or xxD and just sometimes one lens more than the double zoom kit.
I know those people because those are represented by friends that ask me for advice on gear but don't want to spend more than 500-1.000 €.They are the majority of those still investing in ILC.

And as I stated to Hillsilly above Canon has a better way (at least in their opinion) to do their surveys on high end gear than this forum. So although meant as fun post, the truth is not so far away, IMO.

 

[Zv]

I like having a forum that's gear heavy and full of folks who know how to use it and give really good advice. Where would I go to get my next L lens recommendations from?

Also if I have an issue with my 6D and L lenses I know I can rely on you guys to help me out. This poll is reassuring!

I think CR forum actually made me more careful when buying gear. I tend to consider things a lot more before purchasing. My GAS actually decreased this year!

 

[AcutancePhotography]

I'm sure Canon would have absolutely no interest in hearing the opinion of people who spend $6k on camera bodies and buy the $10k+ lenses. It would be way better if the direction of their higher end gear is dictated by surveys of first time DSLR buyers.

I am sure there is some interest. I doubt that anyone is claiming that Canon will design their top level systems based on first time buyers. But it would be important to find out what product lines give Canon a reliable and sustainable income. That is where Canon will be paying more attention. I doubt if Canon can stay in business if they only concentrated on their top of the line products and neglected other products.

Canon, like most successful companies, is probably looking all along their product lines, figuring out where to invest their efforts (money and labour) in the context of reliable and sustainable income.

I am sure that Canon, and other camera manufacturers understand the brand commitment concerning camera bodies and lenses. Once you buy a Canon body, you are most likely going to buy Canon compatible lenses and if you have an investment in Canon compatible lenses, your are more likely to buy a Canon body. And the circle of profit continues. ;D Therefore it is in Canon's best interest to attract the first time DSLR/MICL.

There are simularities between camera manufacturers and Drug Trafficking Organizations. ;D ;D

 

[Zv]

My image of the typical rebel user is someone who takes about 3 pictures a month with it. Two of which are accidental pictures of the lens cap. I've met some people like that. They always just end up taking pics (mostly selfies) with their phone and the rebel (or other brand equivalent) just gathers dust or they sell it. It's not about photography for them it's more like a checklist item, gotta have a "big camera" but not really sure why.

When I bought my first DSLR I used the shizzle out of it. That kit lens took some amount of abuse in various countries before I even bought a 2nd lens, which was a thrifty 50. It was never about gear but somehow that changed. I kinda miss the old days!

But nah, you can pry my 6D and L lenses from my cold dead hands! Sold enough images to justify having a nice kit. Bloody earned it. Not guilty at all! Happy to be part of the 88%! ;D

 

[Boyer U. Klum-Cey]

I propose that the Forum become an anarcho-syndicalist commune. Where, we take
turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the month.
But, all the decisions of that officer shall have to be ratified
at a special bi-monthly posting/poll, by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,
and by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more external stuff.