What do you shoot with.

[Loswr]

But, all the decisions of that officer shall have to be ratified
at a special bi-monthly posting/poll, by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,
and by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more external stuff.

Wow, that sounds like a really impractical, unworkable idea. I can't imagine anyone putting such a system in place.

 

[Pookie]

What gear do you shoot with... hardly Canon anymore but I shot with Canon for years and still use them in my business (Wedding, portraiture and commercial).

Canon (1DX, numerous 5D3's) most every L between 14mm-200 f/2 no Superteles.

Pentax 645Z, FujiFilm X100S, Mamyia 7 II, Mamiya RZ67 Pro II, Polaroid 600SE, Leica (M3,M5,M6, M-P 240, M-P 240 Safari), Hasselblad 503CW...

Just pre-ordered a FujiFilm GFX 50S and if this turns out like I hope... I will move almost completely to analog and MF digital for both business and personal work.

 

[Deleted member 7828]

My image of the typical rebel user is someone who takes about 3 pictures a month with it. Two of which are accidental pictures of the lens cap. I've met some people like that. They always just end up taking pics (mostly selfies) with their phone and the rebel (or other brand equivalent) just gathers dust or they sell it. It's not about photography for them it's more like a checklist item, gotta have a "big camera" but not really sure why.

When I started off with a Rebel T2i 7 years ago, I had no idea I'd be where am at now. But I knew I was serious about photography then which is why I made the investment in the first place. Otherwise my Elph was much smaller and pocketable and got me the shots I needed...

But I'm noticing that oddly enough, even though I use the DSLR, I find myself handing people my phone whenever I want to get in the shot...instead of bringing the M for that purpose, even with the far better quality...I dunno, I guess I find it easier...and I'm already carrying a lot (and in my experience, offering the DSLR scares folks away more often than anything and even among those that do take it, 90% mess it up anyway)

 

[Deleted member 91053]

But, all the decisions of that officer shall have to be ratified
at a special bi-monthly posting/poll, by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,
and by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more external stuff.

Wow, that sounds like a really impractical, unworkable idea. I can't imagine anyone putting such a system in place.

For clarification please refer to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvKIWjnEPNY

About 1 minute 15 seconds in. 8)

 

[Zv]

My image of the typical rebel user is someone who takes about 3 pictures a month with it. Two of which are accidental pictures of the lens cap. I've met some people like that. They always just end up taking pics (mostly selfies) with their phone and the rebel (or other brand equivalent) just gathers dust or they sell it. It's not about photography for them it's more like a checklist item, gotta have a "big camera" but not really sure why.

When I started off with a Rebel T2i 7 years ago, I had no idea I'd be where am at now. But I knew I was serious about photography then which is why I made the investment in the first place. Otherwise my Elph was much smaller and pocketable and got me the shots I needed...

But I'm noticing that oddly enough, even though I use the DSLR, I find myself handing people my phone whenever I want to get in the shot...instead of bringing the M for that purpose, even with the far better quality...I dunno, I guess I find it easier...and I'm already carrying a lot (and in my experience, offering the DSLR scares folks away more often than anything and even among those that do take it, 90% mess it up anyway)

Oh I totally do that too. With my DSLR round my neck or on my BR strap I'll pass my phone (or my partners phone) over to randoms to get the obligatory "We were here" shot for the scrapbook. I get weird looks and comments but it's just easier than trying to get them to use your DSLR even with green box mode (which is why I think this mode is still available on high end bodies!). Mainly I do this because I don't like other people touching my 6D!

If I'm shooting with my M I usually hand that over as it seems more "conventional" in it's use and less intimidating.

 

[hbr]

I currently am using two bodies, the 6D and the 7D Mk II. I sold my T5i and gave away my XSI. On the 6D I use my two sharpest lenses which are the 24-70L f/2.8 II and the 70-200L f/2.8 USM. On the 7D Mk II I mostly use my 400L f/5.6.
I also have the EFS-17-55 IS f/2.8 and a several primes mostly f/2.8. Of course I have the "nifty fifty."
Although I would love to have IS on most of my lenses I could not afford it, but I have a quite steady hand and for slower shots I use a tripod.

 

[arbitrage]

I've always noted that these forums have a high degree of top end gear users. The only other forum that rivals this one for that demographic is Fred Miranda.

Just saw this thread and voted to see the results...wow...that is highly towards the extreme gear end!!

My gear is below in my sig.

 

[Ryananthony]

I've always noted that these forums have a high degree of top end gear users. The only other forum that rivals this one for that demographic is Fred Miranda.

Just saw this thread and voted to see the results...wow...that is highly towards the extreme gear end!!

I don't think this forum has a high degree of top end gear users.
How many names on this forum do you recognize from day to day conversations? Maybe 100? roughly 150 people voted, this forum has something like 12000 members. Even if half of those members were 1 time visiters, and never return, that's still 6000 people who are not represented.

I think it's only the top posters who are high end users. What ever reason that is, I don't know. But like how this forums posts of wants and needs, do not represent canons market, I don't think this poll represents the forum members gear.

 

[Hillsilly]

But surely you know better as you are closely related to the Canon R&D, aren't you?

Maybe I'm not closely related, which is why they don't implement my ideas. Or maybe I am closely related and they've decided that the best business decision is to do the exact opposite to what I say (...which might be a smart thing). Either way, by not making what I want, I haven't actively shot Canon for over two years and its been two to three years since I've bought a Canon product.

If it was just me, you could put that down as an anomaly. But I can't help but notice that a very high percentage of the people picking up Sony, Fuji, Olympus etc cameras are photography enthusiasts who seem disappointed with the choices Canon and Nikon are making. Whoever Canon is listening to seems to have lost them a few customers over the last three years.

 

[Maximilian]

But surely you know better as you are closely related to the Canon R&D, aren't you?

Maybe I'm not closely related, which is why they don't implement my ideas. Or maybe I am closely related and they've decided that the best business decision is to do the exact opposite to what I say (...which might be a smart thing).

*lol* Smart comment. Thank you, you made my day (honestly).

Either way, by not making what I want, I haven't actively shot Canon for over two years and its been two to three years since I've bought a Canon product.

If it was just me, you could put that down as an anomaly. But I can't help but notice that a very high percentage of the people picking up Sony, Fuji, Olympus etc cameras are photography enthusiasts who seem disappointed with the choices Canon and Nikon are making. Whoever Canon is listening to seems to have lost them a few customers over the last three years.

I understand what you say. In my surroundings (photogs in Germany) it was always mixed up with choices.
But the (real) enthusiasts still prefer CaNikon, except for those wanting something really small with all it's compromises.

And though I believe that it would be really nice to have what you and/or AvTvM and/or others want to have, I am sure, that Canon would make such products, if they would see a market for them. And if there really is a market then they seem to have technical issues (for reliabiity) why they didn't implement them yet.

I believe (and saw some numbers) that the general hype of digital photog market is over.
And I don't believe that hundreds oF thousands are just waiting for "the new thing".
I believe there are just hundreds oR thousands. Not more. And that makes the calculation for the price much worse.
Right now a lot of people using pictures in social media and of course prefer cellphones because the connectivity is much better and IQ is good enough. And those will never come back to a P&S or ILC, no matter how they'll improve.
And worse (for the camera makers) the P&S market almost vanished because of those good IQ cellphones.
The rest of the market has now settled to a level again as it was in the 90ies and 80ies, where the people interested in higher IQ (not necessarily enthusiasts) are in a general minority.
I only know a few people taking a ILC system on vacation, or to a zoo or on hiking.
For most a P&S - now replaced by a cell - is just enough. (And includes MP3, phone, WWW, etc.)

 

[hbr]

I'm not seeing all the doom and gloom in the camera market that so many people are bemoaning. I think we are seeing a maturing market and shifting trends. It may take the manufacturers a while to understand and capitalize on the trends, but eventually they will. Canon's bread and butter is still the Rebel line and over the holidays will sell millions of them. Exchange rates, people's disposable incomes and many other factors all contribute to the soft market right now.
Yes, the smart phone put a dent into the p/s market simply due to the convenience and decent quality of the photographs, but it is not an either/or proposition. I own a smart phone and sometimes I want the convenience of sharing a low rez photo on social media or having the smart phone handy in my pocket so as not to miss a shot when I am not carrying my other cameras, I still own over $10,000 worth of camera equipment. In the parks etc. I do see many people using their cell phone cameras to take pictures especially of themselves or their friends to post to social media, I still see many others using ILC cameras.
The smart phone still has many limitations. While it is great for selfies you will not get decent pictures of say, a swan in the lake at 100 yards away or a bird in flight.
I have purchased a couple of nice point and shoot cameras, (over $600 each), but I have always found them too inconvenient to use.
Also from what I am reading, although the market is very soft right now, Canon is actually gaining market share right now over its competition.

 

[Hector1970]

I think the high end users are very important to Canon.
People often buy rebels because they see serious photographers using camera gear but don't want a huge outlay.
I'd be in the club photography circle and that's dominated by Canon and Nikon. Nikon is surprisingly well represented. I'd guess in a typical club in the U.K. Or Ireland it's about 59% Canon 39% Nikon and about 2% others as their main cameras. For back ups more and more have some sort of high quality MILC/Compact. (These are just rough estimates - it's rare to find a Sony Full Frame in use but a lot people give it consideration - it's just so expensive to start again with lens).

 

[Loswr]

But I can't help but notice that a very high percentage of the people picking up Sony, Fuji, Olympus etc cameras are photography enthusiasts who seem disappointed with the choices Canon and Nikon are making. Whoever Canon is listening to seems to have lost them a few customers over the last three years.

I guess you also can't help but notice that the sun rises in the west, and you can't help but notice that when you let go of an apple in midair, it falls upwards. Since Canon has been gaining market share (more than Nikon has lost), it seems you have a penchant noticing things that fly in the face of factual reality.

Sure, some people are dissatisfied with Canon or Nikon and switch, just as others are dissatisfied with Sony, Olympus or Fuji and switch. Point being, in the net Canon has gained more customers than they've lost.

 

[Old Sarge]

But I can't help but notice that a very high percentage of the people picking up Sony, Fuji, Olympus etc cameras are photography enthusiasts who seem disappointed with the choices Canon and Nikon are making. Whoever Canon is listening to seems to have lost them a few customers over the last three years.

I guess you also can't help but notice that the sun rises in the west, and you can't help but notice that when you let go of an apple in midair, it falls upwards. Since Canon has been gaining market share (more than Nikon has lost), it seems you have a penchant noticing things that fly in the face of factual reality.

Sure, some people are dissatisfied with Canon or Nikon and switch, just as others are dissatisfied with Sony, Olympus or Fuji and switch. Point being, in the net Canon has gained more customers than they've lost.

And some people don't switch because they are dissatisfied with Canon or Nikon, they just want to try something new. Learning curves can be a pain but they can also be exciting. I would probably be among this number if I were wealthy. But my Canon equipment would always come first. And I realize that a different system isn't going to make me a different photographer....B&H still doesn't sell a good eye.

 

[JPAZ]

Interesting comments. I don't think we can discount the "high end" or the "low end" shooters in this market. I do take photos with a smartphone (convenience and size may offset the limitations of these devices) in situations where I don't carry my kit. But like many here, I reach for my stuff when photography is part of the goal of whatever I am doing.

There is some benefit to Canon that is hard to measure (unless their marketing gurus have a way) and that is the logo on their bodies and straps. Inn the advertising world, there is a concept called "impressions" that is important. Drive past a billboard? You might not realize it but the ad has some effect on us. That banner ad here on CR? Even though it might be for a product that is nowhere on our personal radar, it too has an effect. When walking around, folks see the Canon (or Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, Sony) logo and it has some effect. And, for photographers with any knowledge of the products out there, seeing a "big white" across the room registers the same as a logo.

Just back from a trip where multiple folks approached me to say something like, "nice camera" (usually when carrying the 5Diii with the 24-70 f/2.8 ii over my shoulder - no branded strap) and someday, some of them might buy a camera. This could be a Rebel or a P&S, but the influence of these "impressions" will affect their purchasing choice. IMHO, although we think we have a well thought out reason for purchasing a particular brand (in my case back in antiquity that first Canon DSLR purchase felt better in my hands than the equivalent Nikon), one cannot minimize the effect of brand name exposure and there are a lot of Canon shooters out there.

 

[hbr]

Interesting comments. I don't think we can discount the "high end" or the "low end" shooters in this market. I do take photos with a smartphone (convenience and size may offset the limitations of these devices) in situations where I don't carry my kit. But like many here, I reach for my stuff when photography is part of the goal of whatever I am doing.

There is some benefit to Canon that is hard to measure (unless their marketing gurus have a way) and that is the logo on their bodies and straps. Inn the advertising world, there is a concept called "impressions" that is important. Drive past a billboard? You might not realize it but the ad has some effect on us. That banner ad here on CR? Even though it might be for a product that is nowhere on our personal radar, it too has an effect. When walking around, folks see the Canon (or Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, Sony) logo and it has some effect. And, for photographers with any knowledge of the products out there, seeing a "big white" across the room registers the same as a logo.

Just back from a trip where multiple folks approached me to say something like, "nice camera" (usually when carrying the 5Diii with the 24-70 f/2.8 ii over my shoulder - no branded strap) and someday, some of them might buy a camera. This could be a Rebel or a P&S, but the influence of these "impressions" will affect their purchasing choice. IMHO, although we think we have a well thought out reason for purchasing a particular brand (in my case back in antiquity that first Canon DSLR purchase felt better in my hands than the equivalent Nikon), one cannot minimize the effect of brand name exposure and there are a lot of Canon shooters out there.

My sentiments exactly. Canon does sponsor the nature series on public television and I'm sure that brings them a lot of sales. Also on public tv is Art Wolfe and Doug Gardner which also use Canon products.

Near my home is a big shopping center with a very large pond in the center that is full of wildlife and the pond has a bridge in the middle for people to go from one side to the other. It is an ideal spot to photograph birds in flight. Usually I stand on the bridge with my 7D II and 400 f/5.6 white lens. Talk about standing out in a crowd, especially when I cut loose with a long string at 10 fps.. I also get so many people asking about my equipment. Since my passion is photography I often sit down with them and discuss the equipment and photography and show them some of the photos I just took. They are so impressed with the close-ups and the reach of the camera/lens. Then I often give them advice on how to start their gear accumulation.

 

[Valvebounce]

Hi Hbr.
Good on you, many people will not take the time to talk. Plus it is always fun to help others spend their money!
My photo buddy and I went to a local camera and accessory show, we were both looking at mono pods, I kept telling him it is easier to seek forgiveness than ask permission, then I phoned my misses and asked permission to buy the Sirui cf monopod! : 8)

Cheers, Graham.

Interesting comments. I don't think we can discount the "high end" or the "low end" shooters in this market. I do take photos with a smartphone (convenience and size may offset the limitations of these devices) in situations where I don't carry my kit. But like many here, I reach for my stuff when photography is part of the goal of whatever I am doing.

There is some benefit to Canon that is hard to measure (unless their marketing gurus have a way) and that is the logo on their bodies and straps. Inn the advertising world, there is a concept called "impressions" that is important. Drive past a billboard? You might not realize it but the ad has some effect on us. That banner ad here on CR? Even though it might be for a product that is nowhere on our personal radar, it too has an effect. When walking around, folks see the Canon (or Nikon, Fuji, Olympus, Sony) logo and it has some effect. And, for photographers with any knowledge of the products out there, seeing a "big white" across the room registers the same as a logo.

Just back from a trip where multiple folks approached me to say something like, "nice camera" (usually when carrying the 5Diii with the 24-70 f/2.8 ii over my shoulder - no branded strap) and someday, some of them might buy a camera. This could be a Rebel or a P&S, but the influence of these "impressions" will affect their purchasing choice. IMHO, although we think we have a well thought out reason for purchasing a particular brand (in my case back in antiquity that first Canon DSLR purchase felt better in my hands than the equivalent Nikon), one cannot minimize the effect of brand name exposure and there are a lot of Canon shooters out there.

My sentiments exactly. Canon does sponsor the nature series on public television and I'm sure that brings them a lot of sales. Also on public tv is Art Wolfe and Doug Gardner which also use Canon products.

Near my home is a big shopping center with a very large pond in the center that is full of wildlife and the pond has a bridge in the middle for people to go from one side to the other. It is an ideal spot to photograph birds in flight. Usually I stand on the bridge with my 7D II and 400 f/5.6 white lens. Talk about standing out in a crowd, especially when I cut loose with a long string at 10 fps.. I also get so many people asking about my equipment. Since my passion is photography I often sit down with them and discuss the equipment and photography and show them some of the photos I just took. They are so impressed with the close-ups and the reach of the camera/lens. Then I often give them advice on how to start their gear accumulation.

 

[hbr]

I don't dare tell the wife how much I am spending on gear. That is why I keep our bank accounts separate.

 

[unfocused]

I don't dare tell the wife how much I am spending on gear. That is why I keep our bank accounts separate.

Separate accounts are the absolutely best way to assure marital bliss (Well, actually the second best way, but I digress). We split responsibilities for household expenses fairly (not evenly, but fairly) and what is her money is her money and what is mine is mine. I never question her purchases because they don't affect me and she doesn't question mine for the same reason.

 

[joe_r]

Separate accounts are the absolutely best way to assure marital bliss (Well, actually the second best way, but I digress). We split responsibilities for household expenses fairly (not evenly, but fairly) and what is her money is her money and what is mine is mine. I never question her purchases because they don't affect me and she doesn't question mine for the same reason.

Haha, that is exactly the system my wife and I use. We have a spreadsheet where we log all of our household expenses and have a formula to calculate who has what share. Prevents lots of problems from happening.