What's Next? A General Breakdown

[ed24]

I don't understand the logic behind canon releasing the c300 and then a 4k cinema dslr... I am not a videographer so know very little about it. However, I do know the c300 is NOT 4k. If canon releases a 4k dslr, would it theoretically produce a better image than the c300 but with fewer cinema controls and options?

I just don't understand.

A pleasing images is not completely reliant on resolution. Take the Arri Alexa for example. It's only 2K, but is considered by many as the best overall picture for video; even when compared to the 4K Reds. The Codec plays are huge role in the IQ. Even though it's a good camera, the C-300 is very overpriced and under spec'd compared to Sony's similar offerings. No camera that is 4:2:2 8 bit should cost 16K. For that price it needs to be 10 bit to justify it.

With that said, early reports on the 5D3 are pretty disappointing for video. Many are seeing that it's still NOT true HD, but STILL an up-res'd 720p, which is crushingly sad considering there are $900 cameras with true 1080p HD.

But it's still a Pre-Production model, so hopefully Canon will do the right thing on the final release and have TRUE 1080p that the customers deserve. I'm thinking that the upcoming 4K VDSLR will have to be a home run for video, because the C-300 was not and it's starting to look like the 5D3 has been deliberately crippled, at least on the Pre-Production models.

But for the 5D3, I guess we will have to wait for the retail model and get some real tests for the video. I'm holding my breath till then. If it's not up-res'd 720p, I would gladly buy one and also the 4K VDSLR when that comes out. If not, I'm going to wait for the 4K camera.

What are you chatting about? Not true 1080 HD? Since when...?

 

[Orion]

haha well everything's up in the air it seems. . .. . it is 2012, after all!!!

"So professor, would you say it's time we start cracking eachother's heads open and feast on the gooing side!?"

"Yes I would, Kent!"

 

[Pieces Of E]

I wonder if the EF 100-400 IS MkII will another 'push-me, pull-you" design? I've never used this model(the original) or even held one, so I don't know how I'd like it in the field trying to quickly zoom on a moving object.

 

[wickidwombat]

I wonder if the EF 100-400 IS MkII will another 'push-me, pull-you" design? I've never used this model(the original) or even held one, so I don't know how I'd like it in the field trying to quickly zoom on a moving object.

apparently its not

 

[ronderick]

Just add in at least once thing with the new 100-400mm design and I'll be a happy camper:

Weather-sealing! ;D

 

[sjp010]

40mm pancake. Please let it be EF.

+1

I will buy this lens immediately if it is EF. I agree that EF-S doesn't make much sense, but neither does a $800 28mm f/2.8 prime so I wouldn't be surprised if they did it!

 

[gene_can_sing]

I don't understand the logic behind canon releasing the c300 and then a 4k cinema dslr... I am not a videographer so know very little about it. However, I do know the c300 is NOT 4k. If canon releases a 4k dslr, would it theoretically produce a better image than the c300 but with fewer cinema controls and options?

I just don't understand.

A pleasing images is not completely reliant on resolution. Take the Arri Alexa for example. It's only 2K, but is considered by many as the best overall picture for video; even when compared to the 4K Reds. The Codec plays are huge role in the IQ. Even though it's a good camera, the C-300 is very overpriced and under spec'd compared to Sony's similar offerings. No camera that is 4:2:2 8 bit should cost 16K. For that price it needs to be 10 bit to justify it.

With that said, early reports on the 5D3 are pretty disappointing for video. Many are seeing that it's still NOT true HD, but STILL an up-res'd 720p, which is crushingly sad considering there are $900 cameras with true 1080p HD.

But it's still a Pre-Production model, so hopefully Canon will do the right thing on the final release and have TRUE 1080p that the customers deserve. I'm thinking that the upcoming 4K VDSLR will have to be a home run for video, because the C-300 was not and it's starting to look like the 5D3 has been deliberately crippled, at least on the Pre-Production models.

But for the 5D3, I guess we will have to wait for the retail model and get some real tests for the video. I'm holding my breath till then. If it's not up-res'd 720p, I would gladly buy one and also the 4K VDSLR when that comes out. If not, I'm going to wait for the 4K camera.

What are you chatting about? Not true 1080 HD? Since when...?

All the current Canon's 5D2, 7D, etc... do NOT have true 1080p video. It's more like a 720p that is scaled up to 1080p. That is why the current Canons look soft when compared to video cameras with true 1080p like the C-300, Sony FS-100, Panasonic GH2 (which only costs $900).

That's one of the biggest complaints about the current Canon video and what we hoped Canon was going to fix. But it looks like from early shots, that the video is still scaled up 720p and pretty soft but at least without the moire and aliasing. Canon can easily do real 1080p, but they're just trying to protect their higher end cameras like the C-300 and probably the forthcoming 4K VDSLR

Now if the 4K Video DSLR does not have true 1080p, that would be really, really lame.

But like I said, this is only seeing test shots from the production 5D3. Hopefully the final market version will be real 1080p and nice and crispy like what everyone wants. On a cameras as expensive as the 5D3, it SHOULD have real 1080p.

 

[Michael7]

Not sure I'd pick up the 40 pancake, although it intrigues me. It's just too close to my 50 1.8 II, which is also very small and light, plus a 1.8 II, although not a true pancake. I really do feel the "future" of all this is smaller parts. The big clunky L monsters will seem like dinosaurs not too far off.

 

[Gcon]

I fail to see what could be improved on the 35/1.4? It is my absolute favorite lens on crop and FF. But I am obviously missing something since there is a MKII in the pipeline......

For one the current 35/1.4 doesn't have any weatherproofing. I'm sure they'll add it as they did with 24/1.4 II.

I hope it is sealed like the 24/1.4L II released in 2008. Then again, the 85mm f/1.2L II released in 2006 isn't weather sealed which is a real shame... could go either way.

 

[moreorless]

Not sure I'd pick up the 40 pancake, although it intrigues me. It's just too close to my 50 1.8 II, which is also very small and light, plus a 1.8 II, although not a true pancake. I really do feel the "future" of all this is smaller parts. The big clunky L monsters will seem like dinosaurs not too far off.

40mm is quite a bit shorter than 50mm though and many have an issue with the very low build quality of the 50 1.8 mk2.

Maybe not an ideal focal lenght for a general purpose lens but I'd guess most crop users don't buy primes for that reason, they have a zoom as there standard lens and a prime for low light/shallow DOF shooting which is normally people/objects anyway.

 

[Ellen Schmidtee]

There are going to be some more gear announcements heading into Photokina 2012 in Germany. I have heard between 10-13 lenses will be announced in 2012 from Canon. No word if that includes any lenses for the predicted mirrorless camera.

How many of those would be cine lenses, upgrades a-la the new 18-55mm IS (read: make the lens cheaper to make), or cause a sticker shock?

I've waited for the EF 8-15mm to come out since it was announced, planning to upgrade my 15mm f/2.8. The price cause me a sticker shock, so I waited for it to come down. Last month I gave up on that, and bought a Sigma 8mm f/3.5

Yes, I've read here that the Yen is strong. My salary is neither paid in Yens nor is linked to the Yen, and the raises I've got hardly compensate for the local inflation rate. If Canon doesn't take that into account when pricing it's new lenses, I'll keep on buying Sigma & Samyang.

[Taking local taxes and currency exchange rates into account, Sigma & Samyang lenses cost the same as in the U.S., while Canon lenses are up to 25% more expensive. Even parallel / gray import are often >5% more expensive here than in the U.S.]

 

[vlim]

Just add in at least once thing with the new 100-400mm design and I'll be a happy camper:

Weather-sealing! ;D

This lens will be a best seller, with weather sealing, new optical formula, better IS, F/4 max aperture, inner zoom once its price will drop a little bit

 

[DzPhotography]

Any updates on the ship date of the 1DX?

I posted a topic about that a while ago. Seems to be correct because I have been invited to a sneak demo next Tuesday... ;D

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,3677.msg77523.html#msg77523

 

[nentraC]

I was in the market for a T3i and now i see a T4i is on the way. I just can't stop checking Canon rumors and the FB page of CR.
Can't wait to reed about some T4i possible specs. I just hope the T4i commes befor the summer.

@gene_can_sing: Do you haw any proof of not true 1080p video claim? or some links to reviews? I'm curious cous i'm interested in video.

I'm allso interested in the comparison of lens mounts EF- EF-s and whats all out ther (ok now you know in new to photography) and what are the adwantages of one vs the other?
Are ther any good articles out ther?

THX for the halp!

 

[Birdshooter]

Just add in at least once thing with the new 100-400mm design and I'll be a happy camper:

Weather-sealing! ;D

This lens will be a best seller, with weather sealing, new optical formula, better IS, F/4 max aperture, inner zoom once its price will drop a little bit

So you want to have a lens which is 100 more in reach than the 200-400, and has the same max aperture of F4.
What do you think the price of such a lens would be, if the 200-400 is already USD11.000?

 

[vlim]

So you want to have a lens which is 100 more in reach than the 200-400, and has the same max aperture of F4

I never said that... The actual 100-400 has a f/4.5 max aperture, the next one apparently will have a f/4 max aperture. i didn't talk about constant f/4 aperture

 

[Loswr]

EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS II (the current version starts at f/4.5)

Then this wouldn't be a Mark II version...

 

[wirn]

@gene_can_sing: Do you haw any proof of not true 1080p video claim? or some links to reviews? I'm curious cous i'm interested in video.

Yes, I would also like to know what you are talking about. Please show us.

 

[delfoz]

excuse my english ...
i sold my t2i before the 5dmarkIII was announced hoping for a drop on the 7d price, which didn´t happend. Only the price of the 5dmark II went down, i could get 5dmarkii but i just buy the tokina 11-16mm which is useless in that camera. Now i don't know what to do, get the 7d or wait a little longer and see if the price of the 7d drops or canon announce the 7d mark ii. :/

 

[moreorless]

excuse my english ...
i sold my t2i before the 5dmarkIII was announced hoping for a drop on the 7d price, which didn´t happend. Only the price of the 5dmark II went down, i could get 5dmarkii but i just buy the tokina 11-16mm which is useless in that camera. Now i don't know what to do, get the 7d or wait a little longer and see if the price of the 7d drops or canon announce the 7d mark ii. :/

I'd guess its more likely the 7D's used rather than new price will drop in the near future with users upgrading to a 5D mk3 with improved AF and FPS. If the 650D or 70D were annouced with a new sensor that could perhaps lead to a 7D price drop.