What's Next for Canon?

[Lichtgestalt]

well i have a 6D and for 1570 euro it´s hard to find something better.

yes stay away if you are a sports shooter.
but for most prosumer the AF will be just fine.
in fact a lot of 5D MK3 user are only confused by the AF.

it´s only one of my backup cameras but i have no problems to use my 6D for portraits, landscapes, travel and shooting kids. i use the middle AF point in such cases 99% of the time.

only when i shot BIF or sports i need my 5D MK3 and the superior AF.

 

[Niki]

I just started shooting on FILM...with a really cheap camera from Canon...where have they been hiding these things...the image is GREAT!

 

[Lichtgestalt]

I just started shooting on FILM...with a really cheap camera from Canon...where have they been hiding these things...the image is GREAT!

a great deal of them are in my office.

film was nice and still has some attraction.
but today working with film is slow (and expensive when you shoot like you shoot digital).
i could not imagine working with film these days.

i edit my work in PS, i have to upload it to stock agencies.
film is too slow for that.

but it´s fine for hobby shooter who are not on a deadline.
or when you are a pro who is going artsy.
but then i would shoot MF film.

 

[Ruined]

well i have a 6D and for 1570 euro it´s hard to find something better.

yes stay away if you are a sports shooter.
but for most prosumer the AF will be just fine.
in fact a lot of 5D MK3 user are only confused by the AF.

it´s only one of my backup cameras but i have no problems to use my 6D for portraits, landscapes, travel and shooting kids. i use the middle AF point in such cases 99% of the time.

only when i shot BIF or sports i need my 5D MK3 and the superior AF.

I am not saying to refresh the 6D with 5DMK3 autofocus, but something along the lines of the 7d/70d's autofocus would make sense. For me, it is difficult to spend $1800 on a 6D when a $600 650D has 9x the amount of cross-type AF points. Do you need that many cross points? Maybe not, but then again you could argue you don't "need" full frame, either. The point is the 6D's autofocus system appears too dated compared to its peers for its price point. If it worked really well then I would not mention this, but I see tons of complaints from 6D owners about the AF.

 

[Lichtgestalt]

If it worked really well then I would not mention this, but I see tons of complaints from 6D owners about the AF.

shooting what?
BIF, motocross?

then they bought the wrong camera.

i see your point and i agree from a customers point of view.
how could i not.. the more i get for my money the better.

a 7D like AF would be nice to have in the 6D, no question.

but from canons point of view it makes absolut sense.
i had not bought a second 5D MK3 as backup body if the 6D had a 7D like AF.

is the D600 AF performance much better? from all i have seen, not really.

 

[dude]

If it worked really well then I would not mention this, but I see tons of complaints from 6D owners about the AF.

shooting what?
BIF, motocross?

then they bought the wrong camera.

i see your point and i agree from a customers point of view.
how could i not.. the more i get for my money the better.

a 7D like AF would be nice to have in the 6D, no question.

but from canons point of view it makes absolut sense.
i had not bought a second 5D MK3 as backup body if the 6D had a 7D like AF.

is the D600 AF performance much better? from all i have seen, not really.

I've not used a 6D but own a 5Diii and have owned a 7D. Just to be clear, we are not calling the 7D AF system good, are we?

 

[Lichtgestalt]

If it worked really well then I would not mention this, but I see tons of complaints from 6D owners about the AF.

shooting what?
BIF, motocross?

then they bought the wrong camera.

i see your point and i agree from a customers point of view.
how could i not.. the more i get for my money the better.

a 7D like AF would be nice to have in the 6D, no question.

but from canons point of view it makes absolut sense.
i had not bought a second 5D MK3 as backup body if the 6D had a 7D like AF.

is the D600 AF performance much better? from all i have seen, not really.

I've not used a 6D but own a 5Diii and have owned a 7D. Just to be clear, we are not calling the 7D AF system good, are we?

???

well the 7D AF is pretty good. and that seems to be the common opinion:

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=8576.0

what are you shooting and what are your complains exactly?

of course the 5D MK3 AF is better but then... the camera cost twice as much.
and if you need the best low light AF performance the 5D MK3 or 1D X is sure the way to go.

but does that make the 7D AF bad? i don´t think so.

and a great deal of 5D MK3 customers, who are not professionals, are totally confused by the 5D MK3 AF. so i bet they use only 25% of it´s potential.

you would call the 7D AF bad?

 

[Sella174]

Strange how Sony contradicts the assumptions that in-body IS is preferable by providing the A7/R without that. Wouldn't they jump on the opportunity to use their existing technology, if it were as preferable? It is really essential to understand that axis-counting is no good as a way to determine effectiveness of an IS system. I believe that the A7/R coming without in-body IS just demonstrates that Sony has proceeded through the learning curve far enough to realize that they can achieve better results with in-lens IS, simply because this is optimized for each lens.

I believe Sony left IBIS out of the A7 and A7r in order to keep the unit cost down, so that these cameras can compete with the FF offerings from Nikon and Canon (especially the EOS 6D). And possibly it was part of the deal with Olympus that they may not use it in a FF camera (meaning Sony bought it for the NEX series).

 

[Lawliet]

I believe Sony left IBIS out of the A7 and A7r in order to keep the unit cost down, so that these cameras can compete with the FF offerings from Nikon and Canon (especially the EOS 6D).

The sensor already sits on piezoactuators - the big difference between anti-dust and sensor based stabilzation is the control software.

 

[Zv]

If it worked really well then I would not mention this, but I see tons of complaints from 6D owners about the AF.

shooting what?
BIF, motocross?

then they bought the wrong camera.

i see your point and i agree from a customers point of view.
how could i not.. the more i get for my money the better.

a 7D like AF would be nice to have in the 6D, no question.

but from canons point of view it makes absolut sense.
i had not bought a second 5D MK3 as backup body if the 6D had a 7D like AF.

is the D600 AF performance much better? from all i have seen, not really.

I've not used a 6D but own a 5Diii and have owned a 7D. Just to be clear, we are not calling the 7D AF system good, are we?

???

well the 7D AF is pretty good. and that seems to be the common opinion:

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=8576.0

what are you shooting and what are your complains exactly?

of course the 5D MK3 AF is better but then... the camera cost twice as much.
and if you need the best low light AF performance the 5D MK3 or 1D X is sure the way to go.

but does that make the 7D AF bad? i don´t think so.

and a great deal of 5D MK3 customers, who are not professionals, are totally confused by the 5D MK3 AF. so i bet they use only 25% of it´s potential.

you would call the 7D AF bad?

+1 the AF on the 7D totally rocks. I read some stuff about how to tune the AF Servo using C-fn etc to get more out of it. Also, combined with bbf it can be very effective. One thing I will say is the hit rate could be better, but thats what 8fps is for!

For most people 19 cross point AF is enough and for smaller subjects the smaller spot AF mode works well.

Even my 5D2 with its lame AF does OK. Then again I don't shoot BIF or super shallow dof stuff so I guess it depends.

 

[Valvebounce]

Hi Folks
I do try to photograph BIF with my 7D, I say try as I don't go and sit and wait so my technique is already flawed! What I do is stop and take pics when I see birds of prey, my favoured targets.

What I will do though is go to the local seafront regularly and practice, I have hundreds of clicks accounted for by pics of seagulls!
I also attend the Goodwood Revival and first thing I do on arrival is practice on a race I'm not too worried about until my "rusty from last year" technique is refreshed. By doing this I find I get what to me is an acceptable keeper rate.

I think the 7D AF rocks too, I am prepared to admit that the missed and crap shots are me not the camera! ;D ;D ;D

Cheers Graham.

+1 the AF on the 7D totally rocks. I read some stuff about how to tune the AF Servo using C-fn etc to get more out of it. Also, combined with bbf it can be very effective. One thing I will say is the hit rate could be better, but thats what 8fps is for!

For most people 19 cross point AF is enough and for smaller subjects the smaller spot AF mode works well.

Even my 5D2 with its lame AF does OK. Then again I don't shoot BIF or super shallow dof stuff so I guess it depends.

 

[dude]

Compared to my 5Diii, my in focus shots of action (SEC college football specifically) are far less than my 5Diii with same lens setup. That is the day issue. At night I won't even start a comparison because the 7D is at a distinct disadvantage.

I do like the 7D for many reasons, FPS is one biggie, and the latest rumors of the 7Dii sound awesome (hoping for full sensor), but I find the AF on the 7D lacking for my purposes.

If it worked really well then I would not mention this, but I see tons of complaints from 6D owners about the AF.

shooting what?
BIF, motocross?

then they bought the wrong camera.

i see your point and i agree from a customers point of view.
how could i not.. the more i get for my money the better.

a 7D like AF would be nice to have in the 6D, no question.

but from canons point of view it makes absolut sense.
i had not bought a second 5D MK3 as backup body if the 6D had a 7D like AF.

is the D600 AF performance much better? from all i have seen, not really.

I've not used a 6D but own a 5Diii and have owned a 7D. Just to be clear, we are not calling the 7D AF system good, are we?

???

well the 7D AF is pretty good. and that seems to be the common opinion:

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=8576.0

what are you shooting and what are your complains exactly?

of course the 5D MK3 AF is better but then... the camera cost twice as much.
and if you need the best low light AF performance the 5D MK3 or 1D X is sure the way to go.

but does that make the 7D AF bad? i don´t think so.

and a great deal of 5D MK3 customers, who are not professionals, are totally confused by the 5D MK3 AF. so i bet they use only 25% of it´s potential.

you would call the 7D AF bad?

 

[J.R.]

Compared to my 5Diii, my in focus shots of action (SEC college football specifically) are far less than my 5Diii with same lens setup. That is the day issue. At night I won't even start a comparison because the 7D is at a distinct disadvantage.

I do like the 7D for many reasons, FPS is one biggie, and the latest rumors of the 7Dii sound awesome (hoping for full sensor), but I find the AF on the 7D lacking for my purposes.

The AF of the 7D is pretty good ... but once you are spoil yourself with the AF of the 5D3 / 1DX, all of a sudden the AF of the 7D doesn't seem good enough