Who is going to buy the new 5Ds's?

[adhocphotographer]

Interestingly it is a close 50:50 split... well, i guess cannon know what they are doing! This way 50% are happy with this line, and lets hope the rest of us will be happy with the 5D IV line?

 

[Joe M]

This is almost like the "how many pixels do you need" thread. I don't pretend to know the market but my feeling is that these cameras will fill a needed niche as opposed to dominating the market. As I suspected, Canon was wise enough to add these cameras to the lineup as opposed to replacing the successor to the 5D3. So getting to the question, it's a "no" for me. I imagine the cameras will be great but I will be throwing away all those pixels so I see no point in dumping two bodies for two new ones when the only benefit I might garner is (I would suppose) slightly better DR and accurate colour. I'm also guessing the new 5D4 will do all that with a number of pixels that are more manageable for me with resolution that is sufficient to my needs for weddings, couples and so on. Whether I make that switch is yet to be seen.

 

[mb66energy]

I skipped a lot of cameras I was interested in at the first glance:
5D mk ii, mk iii, 7D, 6D, 7D mk ii

At the moment I am searching for a "decade lasting body" and the 5Ds might be an option. I am lusting for a camera fit to do excellent A0 prints if you have THE IMAGE.
And I am lusting for a camera with a 12 million image pixel sensor consisting of R-G-G-B pixel quadruplets for cleanest colors.
5Ds might deliver for both applications.

It is an option for me ... if the camera ist roughly 3500 $/EUR (my first estimate) ... After reading the Canon press release I am no longer shure about my estimate ... and I fear it will be 4999 $/EUR.

Standing by and waiting for more date, reviews and especially sample photographs/"experience reports".

 

[caruser]

Perhaps a 5DSR.

First I'll wait for Bryan's test of the camera.

Then I'll decide whether I'm glad that it's smaller and cheaper than my 1DX, or whether I'm now too used to the size and additional controls of the 1DX.

By that time I'll see what rumours there are about the 1-series, a 30 MP 1DX2 would satisfy all my requirements in a single body which would be nice.

Or I might go 1DX + 5DSR, one for events and kids, and one for more controlled situations.

 

[sdsr]

I was sure I am going to buy it, but now I am not so certain: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9437515928/olympus-announces-om-d-e-m5-ii-with-40mp-high-resolution-mode

"The E-M5 II also boasts a 40MP high resolution shot mode, achieved by shifting the sensor in half-pixel steps and capturing eight images over a period of one second."

Semi-40 mpix. No thanks

DPreview already has a comparison of the em5II vs D810 set up:

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympus-om-d-e-m5-ii/7

I don't know how reliable this is, but the Hi-def RAW files from the em5II look terrible compared to the D810's (and not just because of the greater magnification); the JPEGs look much better, but still don't seem anything to get excited about. Perhaps its benefits aren't best revealed by this particular set-up. Either way, you can only use the em5II in Hi-Def mode on a tripod, apparently (which would make sense); if so, that's a significant handicap vs D810/a7r/new Canons for anyone who doesn't want to use a tripod all the time. Plus, even the best m43 images have more noise at any ISO than a FF dslr - will the new technology somehow take care of that? (The new Olympus looks somewhat interesting to me for other reasons - better EVF than its predecessor, much faster shutter, silent shutter mode, etc.)

 

[M_S]

I'm interested in the 5Ds. But all I want is a significant improved tonal range, DR and low ISO performance. Ideally it should be equal or even better than the Pentax 645Z. I'll also wait for the new Sony A7R II before deciding which new camera to buy.

+1

 

[PhotographyFirst]

I was sure I am going to buy it, but now I am not so certain: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9437515928/olympus-announces-om-d-e-m5-ii-with-40mp-high-resolution-mode

"The E-M5 II also boasts a 40MP high resolution shot mode, achieved by shifting the sensor in half-pixel steps and capturing eight images over a period of one second."

Semi-40 mpix. No thanks

DPreview already has a comparison of the em5II vs D810 set up:

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympus-om-d-e-m5-ii/7

I don't know how reliable this is, but the Hi-def RAW files from the em5II look terrible compared to the D810's (and not just because of the greater magnification); the JPEGs look much better, but still don't seem anything to get excited about. Perhaps its benefits aren't best revealed by this particular set-up. Either way, you can only use the em5II in Hi-Def mode on a tripod, apparently (which would make sense); if so, that's a significant handicap vs D810/a7r/new Canons for anyone who doesn't want to use a tripod all the time. Plus, even the best m43 images have more noise at any ISO than a FF dslr - will the new technology somehow take care of that? (The new Olympus looks somewhat interesting to me for other reasons - better EVF than its predecessor, much faster shutter, silent shutter mode, etc.)

For people who know how to zoom in a do quick stitching, it's kind of a gimmick. Anything moving in the scene is going to cause some strange artifacts. Movement in a scene is actually super easy to deal with when using proper stitching software such as Photoshop. Seems like a feature catered to people who wish to put no effort into better solutions and want the camera to do everything magically.

 

[mackguyver]

I don't think you guys have read enough - it's no mere gimmick or substitute for stitching:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympus-om-d-e-m5-ii/4

If it works as well in practice as it does on paper, it not only adds resolution, but also completely compensates for the Bayer array by taking an exposure for all colors and as such essentially eliminates moire caused by the array/sensor. For studio shooters, it seems like a pretty amazing thing, and has the potential to go well beyond native m4/3 sensor capabilities.

 

[Marsu42]

I don't think you guys have read enough - it's no mere gimmick or substitute for stitching:

That's what you get if you venture outside CR, don't you dare again .

But if I understand it correctly, this needs IBIS and most likely wouldn't work with Canon's in-lens IS approach? If every manufacturer with IBIS cameras picks this idea up, this would be a bad development for Canon (and Nikon, for that matter).

 

[mackguyver]

I don't think you guys have read enough - it's no mere gimmick or substitute for stitching:

That's what you get if you venture outside CR, don't you dare again .

But if I understand it correctly, this needs IBIS and most likely wouldn't work with Canon's in-lens IS approach? If every manufacturer with IBIS cameras picks this idea up, this would be a bad development for Canon (and Nikon, for that matter).

LOL, and yes, it uses the IBIS to shift the sensor in the Olympus. I don't see any reason why Canon couldn't add something to move (but not stabilize) the sensor, as the MF backs do.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

I don't think you guys have read enough - it's no mere gimmick or substitute for stitching:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympus-om-d-e-m5-ii/4

If it works as well in practice as it does on paper, it not only adds resolution, but also completely compensates for the Bayer array by taking an exposure for all colors and as such essentially eliminates moire caused by the array/sensor. For studio shooters, it seems like a pretty amazing thing, and has the potential to go well beyond native m4/3 sensor capabilities.

Why would anyone buy a m43 camera for studio use?

I thought the whole point of m43 was to be portable and have ISIS for leaving the tripod at home.

For static scenes, it makes a m43 camera better, so in that regard it is not a gimmick, but for non-static use, if you can zoom in a stitch to the same FOV, it's always going to be better.

I think it is a gimmick because many people will buy it thinking all of their photos can now be 40MP, which is probably not going to live up to the hype.

 

[zlatko]

I don't think you guys have read enough - it's no mere gimmick or substitute for stitching:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympus-om-d-e-m5-ii/4

If it works as well in practice as it does on paper, it not only adds resolution, but also completely compensates for the Bayer array by taking an exposure for all colors and as such essentially eliminates moire caused by the array/sensor. For studio shooters, it seems like a pretty amazing thing, and has the potential to go well beyond native m4/3 sensor capabilities.

Why would anyone buy a m43 camera for studio use?

I thought the whole point of m43 was to be portable and have ISIS for leaving the tripod at home.

For static scenes, it makes a m43 camera better, so in that regard it is not a gimmick, but for non-static use, if you can zoom in a stitch to the same FOV, it's always going to be better.

I think it is a gimmick because many people will buy it thinking all of their photos can now be 40MP, which is probably not going to live up to the hype.

Of course, people do buy m43 cameras for studio use. Why not?

It's not a gimmick because it adds a distinct and useful benefit to a camera that wouldn't otherwise have anything like 40mp. Even with it's limitations, it is pretty extraordinary for such a small and not-too-expensive camera.

No one should think all of their photos can now be 40mp because everywhere you look, in every review, there is an explanation of how it's limited to tripod work and still subjects, etc. If someone thinks all their photos can now be 40mp, they're just not paying attention.

 

[jeffa4444]

I don't think you guys have read enough - it's no mere gimmick or substitute for stitching:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympus-om-d-e-m5-ii/4

If it works as well in practice as it does on paper, it not only adds resolution, but also completely compensates for the Bayer array by taking an exposure for all colors and as such essentially eliminates moire caused by the array/sensor. For studio shooters, it seems like a pretty amazing thing, and has the potential to go well beyond native m4/3 sensor capabilities.

Why would anyone buy a m43 camera for studio use?

I thought the whole point of m43 was to be portable and have ISIS for leaving the tripod at home.

For static scenes, it makes a m43 camera better, so in that regard it is not a gimmick, but for non-static use, if you can zoom in a stitch to the same FOV, it's always going to be better.

I think it is a gimmick because many people will buy it thinking all of their photos can now be 40MP, which is probably not going to live up to the hype.

Thats simply luddite talk Olympus have created many innovations that Canon & others have adopted and their in camera 5 axis stabilization is a way better system than in each lens.
Im heavily into the Canon system but also have Olympus m4/3 and for recreational, light-weight travel photography the system is ideal.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

I don't think you guys have read enough - it's no mere gimmick or substitute for stitching:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympus-om-d-e-m5-ii/4

If it works as well in practice as it does on paper, it not only adds resolution, but also completely compensates for the Bayer array by taking an exposure for all colors and as such essentially eliminates moire caused by the array/sensor. For studio shooters, it seems like a pretty amazing thing, and has the potential to go well beyond native m4/3 sensor capabilities.

Why would anyone buy a m43 camera for studio use?

I thought the whole point of m43 was to be portable and have ISIS for leaving the tripod at home.

For static scenes, it makes a m43 camera better, so in that regard it is not a gimmick, but for non-static use, if you can zoom in a stitch to the same FOV, it's always going to be better.

I think it is a gimmick because many people will buy it thinking all of their photos can now be 40MP, which is probably not going to live up to the hype.

Thats simply luddite talk Olympus have created many innovations that Canon & others have adopted and their in camera 5 axis stabilization is a way better system than in each lens.
Im heavily into the Canon system but also have Olympus m4/3 and for recreational, light-weight travel photography the system is ideal.

Huh? please read what was posted again. You're arguing into the wind there.

 

[zlatko]

It's no gimmick. Check this out:
http://www.43rumors.com/imaging-resource-test-can-the-new-olympus-e-m5ii-beat-the-nikon-36mp-resolution/

For still subjects and tripod work, it's pretty cool. And the camera is only $1100.

 

[zlatko]

not so cool handheld and one shoot, moving subjects etc etc
50Mp is still 50Mp

Of course 50mp is still 50mp. Everybody knows that. But 50mp (in a 5Ds) is also $3,500, and it's in a much bigger camera. Handheld and moving subjects is just not what the high-res feature is made for, so "not so cool handheld" is hardly a criticism of it. It's designed for a specific use: tripod + still subjects. For that, it looks excellent. It even avoids that ugly moire that the D810 produces.

 

[JoeDavid]

Of course 50mp is still 50mp. Everybody knows that. But 50mp (in a 5Ds) is also $3,500, and it's in a much bigger camera. Handheld and moving subjects is just not what the high-res feature is made for, so "not so cool handheld" is hardly a criticism of it. It's designed for a specific use: tripod + still subjects. For that, it looks excellent. It even avoids that ugly moire that the D810 produces.

For such a limited use feature, it isn't worth the money of investing in another camera system when I already own lots of Canon gear and several of the new lenses that may actually let me get some real benefit out of the 50MP resolution. If the specs are correct, the 5Ds appears to be a much more versatile camera than most people are giving it credit for. Sure it has 50MP but it also does 28MP MRAW and 12.4MP SRAW (remember when 12.8MP was fantastic in the original 5D!). I do wish they had gotten it up to 6FPS or offer a faster frame rate in the lower MP modes (M and SRAW and crop). I'm also curious whether they are putting an EF-S compatible mount on it for use in the 1.6x crop like Nikon does with their FF cameras. Nothing mentioned points to that capability so I doubt they did but I guess we will find out for sure tomorrow.

 

[zlatko]

not so cool handheld and one shoot, moving subjects etc etc
50Mp is still 50Mp

Of course 50mp is still 50mp. Everybody knows that. But 50mp (in a 5Ds) is also $3,500, and it's in a much bigger camera. Handheld and moving subjects is just not what the high-res feature is made for, so "not so cool handheld" is hardly a criticism of it. It's designed for a specific use: tripod + still subjects. For that, it looks excellent. It even avoids that ugly moire that the D810 produces.

and what have that to do with a up comming 50mp camera
and a handheld camera as my d810 with Otus 55 and sufficiently short shutter time gives me the results I want and the moire is not a problem due the frequencies is hardly visible, and it will be smaller with a 50Mp camera

What it has to do with the upcoming 50mp camera is that it was mentioned in the same thread due to the 40mp feature. So we are discussing it. And it gives you a reason to mention that your $3000 camera together with its $4000 lens will still be better than this little $1100 camera, as they should for $7k.

 

[zlatko]

Of course 50mp is still 50mp. Everybody knows that. But 50mp (in a 5Ds) is also $3,500, and it's in a much bigger camera. Handheld and moving subjects is just not what the high-res feature is made for, so "not so cool handheld" is hardly a criticism of it. It's designed for a specific use: tripod + still subjects. For that, it looks excellent. It even avoids that ugly moire that the D810 produces.

For such a limited use feature, it isn't worth the money of investing in another camera system when I already own lots of Canon gear and several of the new lenses that may actually let me get some real benefit out of the 50MP resolution. If the specs are correct, the 5Ds appears to be a much more versatile camera than most people are giving it credit for. Sure it has 50MP but it also does 28MP MRAW and 12.4MP SRAW (remember when 12.8MP was fantastic in the original 5D!). I do wish they had gotten it up to 6FPS or offer a faster frame rate in the lower MP modes (M and SRAW and crop). I'm also curious whether they are putting an EF-S compatible mount on it for use in the 1.6x crop like Nikon does with their FF cameras. Nothing mentioned points to that capability so I doubt they did but I guess we will find out for sure tomorrow.

Of course not. Who would buy another system for a single feature? This feature is for people who are already in the m43 system. It's a nice and unexpected bonus for them, and it apparently hasn't added much to the cost of the camera. It's a limited feature so it's not something for which you buy another camera system.

That's a good question about the option to mount EF-S lenses on the new 5Ds. It should offer that option considering the crop feature, but we'll see.

 

[Eldar]

I was very optimistic and was really looking forward to this camera. I really thought Canon would provide a true 810 basher this time. Yes, we get lots of resolution, we know little/nothing about noise, but DR seem to be stuck in the dirt behind Sony/Nikon.

Not only do I believe I've lost my urge to get this camera, but I think I'm done waiting. I think I'll go home for the weekend and assess what gear to sell and what to keep. This was a major turn-off!