Who is going to buy the new 5Ds's?

[RLPhoto]

I don't see enough done to the body for me to upgrade. I'll be awaiting 5D4.

 

[dcsimages]

If the price is reasonable I'll be getting one. I'm tempting fate at the moment by having just one 5D III because the 5DII's I have as backups don't work with the EX600RTs the way I need them to. I was going to pull the trigger on a second 5D III this month, but if the 5DS isn't much more than $3500 I'll go with it.

I rarely shoot above 2500 ISO, and there are a few things I could use 50MP for.

Recently had to rent a Hasselblad with a 45 MP back and 4 lenses for a job.

 

[NancyP]

6D, landscape/macro photography. Definitely interested. However, I need to upgrade the computer first (2010 MacBookPro still running Snow Leopard 10.6.8). Will be very interested in reports concerning low-ISO dynamic range. Of course, there are other high-end bits of gear calling my name. Sigma Art 50 f/1.4, Zeiss Apo Sonnar 135 f/2 ... so I may not be an early adopter of anything. I figure that I have 3 lenses worthy of a 50 MP sensor: Zeiss 21, Sigma Art 35, Canon 180 3.5L macro.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I'm not interested, its a specialist camera, good for studio, landscape, and probably wedding images, at least portraits. I'd rather buy a second 5D MK III or even a 7D MK II once the price drops.

I think that its aimed squarely at portraits and landscapes with its improved color accuracy and high MP count. I expect there will be three types of buyers.

1. Knowledgeable Photographers who truly need 50 mp or the better color

2. Those who believe that 50 MP will make their photos somehow better. (Read content here).

3. Those who always want the latest thing.

The high initial price will make many wait for it to drop. IMHO, the camera could sell profitably for $2600 in very large numbers, but we won't see that.

 

[mackguyver]

Now that it looks like the cameras will be priced around $4k (as I feared), I think this will go on the waiting list. The 11-24 has me far more excited as I believe it will make my photos somehow better to paraphrase Mt Spokane

 

[PureClassA]

Since buying the 1D X, my 5DIII doesn't see much action other than for landscapes and architecture, mainly because of the megapixels. I can definitely see myself buying the 5DsR, it's just a matter of when. I'm thinking the sooner the better so I can still get a decent amount out of my 5DIII, but a new body and the 11-24 f/4 (which I'm definitely buying) are a lot of cash. Then again, the body may come out next month and the lens in the Fall or something like that.

That lens is coming right along with that camera, as we have all noted, it's a camera meant for landscape work...and obviously this lens is too. I'd be really stunned if there was more than a few weeks between the two if any at all.

I like this for portrait work. It's nice to shoot full body or more and if I really like a facial expression or something smaller in the frame, I can tighten up the shot in post and not worry about losing good resolve. It's not always easy to recreate something natural, like a certain look, and I tend to shoot that way. Also, for big group shots like an entire dance class of 20 people, with 50MP, everyone's face should look a lot sharper with 250% more pixel density.

Again, i know it's a bit niche, but it's MY niche ;-)

 

[PureClassA]

I should add that it's not uncommon for me to create 20x30 to 24x36 inch prints or canvas for these dance moms ;D

 

[Marsu42]

Now that it looks like the cameras will be priced around $4k (as I feared), I think this will go on the waiting list

You *actually* though it'd be like the 5d3 starting price at $3.5k, even if the 5ds has the premium flagship tag attached and is lacking current competition from Sonikon? Oh my, I'd love to have part of your optimism in some parts of my life

 

[PureClassA]

Now that it looks like the cameras will be priced around $4k (as I feared), I think this will go on the waiting list

You *actually* though it'd be like the 5d3 starting price at $3.5k, even if the 5ds has the premium flagship tag attached and is lacking current competition from Sonikon? Oh my, I'd love to have part of your optimism in some parts of my life

$4k is based on purely exchange rate data. As Mac mentioned, they have a VAT. We do not. This camera may well come in around $3500-$3800 with the Yen falling against the dollar. And I still expect to see an official drop in the 5D3 right after. Right now it's a $300 mail in rebate I believe?

 

[PhotographyFirst]

If all we get is resolution I´m out. If we get (significant) improvements in noise and DR, I´m in. I have seen enough (condescending) proof from my Nikon 810 buddy (with Otus 55/1.4) to accept that Canon has a significant challenge.

If it turns out to be FF 7DII type sensor performance, I´ll be very disappointed and probably go for the Pentax 645z. If so, I´ll sell off a majority of my EF lenses and limited Canon to action, birds and wildlife.

I suspect we are seeing 50MP, because Canon might not be able to compete on the lower ISO DR quality front. They are over-compensating for other inadequacies.

If this thing is 16bit with massive DR, then the market will probably justify spending the money on it. Otherwise, it bodes very poorly for the near future of Canon tech, in terms of market perception.

I would only buy one of these cameras if the price was down to $3000 or less.

 

[PureClassA]

I know we are all scratching out heads at why the R would be more expensive... but is there any possible reason the removal of the filter could also yield measurably higher dynamic range?

 

[Marsu42]

I know we are all scratching out heads at why the R would be more expensive...

Not at all, I'm wondering why the premium/sharper R isn't *much* more expensive than the vanilla model.

but is there any possible reason the removal of the filter could also yield measurably higher dynamic range?

Imho the chances are the same as an ice cube in hell has, most likely they're really just putting another set of glass in front of the sensor like Nikon did with the d800 and d800e.

 

[Bruce Photography]

Now that it looks like the cameras will be priced around $4k (as I feared), I think this will go on the waiting list

You *actually* though it'd be like the 5d3 starting price at $3.5k, even if the 5ds has the premium flagship tag attached and is lacking current competition from Sonikon? Oh my, I'd love to have part of your optimism in some parts of my life

If the new Canon cameras use a Sony sensor, what will you call the new Sonikon empire? By the way, my interest is in the "R" version. Before I invest in the 11-24, I plan on using my Nikon to Canon adapter for the Nikon 12-24mm lens which I know is hot stuff and testing the D810 vs the "R". It will be interesting to see what the extra MP's do with my 36x24 prints (if any). I too am interested in whatever dynamic range improvements this might mean (if they use the newer sony sensors I expect quite a jump - lower ISO like the D810?).

 

[tron]

Now that it looks like the cameras will be priced around $4k (as I feared), I think this will go on the waiting list

You *actually* though it'd be like the 5d3 starting price at $3.5k, even if the 5ds has the premium flagship tag attached and is lacking current competition from Sonikon? Oh my, I'd love to have part of your optimism in some parts of my life

If the new Canon cameras use a Sony sensor, what will you call the new Sonikon empire? By the way, my interest is in the "R" version. Before I invest in the 11-24, I plan on using my Nikon to Canon adapter for the Nikon 12-24mm lens which I know is hot stuff and testing the D810 vs the "R". It will be interesting to see what the extra MP's do with my 36x24 prints (if any). I too am interested in whatever dynamic range improvements this might mean (if they use the newer sony sensors I expect quite a jump - lower ISO like the D810?).

Hmmm. let me try first:

1. CaSoNikon.
2. SoNiCanon
3. SoCaNikon

;D ;D ;D

 

[tron]

If all we get is resolution I´m out. If we get (significant) improvements in noise and DR, I´m in. I have seen enough (condescending) proof from my Nikon 810 buddy (with Otus 55/1.4) to accept that Canon has a significant challenge.

If it turns out to be FF 7DII type sensor performance, I´ll be very disappointed and probably go for the Pentax 645z. If so, I´ll sell off a majority of my EF lenses and limited Canon to action, birds and wildlife.

I suspect we are seeing 50MP, because Canon might not be able to compete on the lower ISO DR quality front. They are over-compensating for other inadequacies.

If this thing is 16bit with massive DR, then the market will probably justify spending the money on it. Otherwise, it bodes very poorly for the near future of Canon tech, in terms of market perception.

I would only buy one of these cameras if the price was down to $3000 or less.

In that case I think I would prefer a Sony sensor in the short term but I think it is better for Canon to develop their own sensor in the long term...

 

[zlatko]

If all we get is resolution I´m out. If we get (significant) improvements in noise and DR, I´m in. I have seen enough (condescending) proof from my Nikon 810 buddy (with Otus 55/1.4) to accept that Canon has a significant challenge.

If it turns out to be FF 7DII type sensor performance, I´ll be very disappointed and probably go for the Pentax 645z. If so, I´ll sell off a majority of my EF lenses and limited Canon to action, birds and wildlife.

I suspect we are seeing 50MP, because Canon might not be able to compete on the lower ISO DR quality front. They are over-compensating for other inadequacies.

If this thing is 16bit with massive DR, then the market will probably justify spending the money on it. Otherwise, it bodes very poorly for the near future of Canon tech, in terms of market perception.

I would only buy one of these cameras if the price was down to $3000 or less.

Over-compensating for other inadequacies? Sure, and DR matters more than anything for this new camera. Without super-massive DR, people just won't spend money on it. Poof ... there go the sales! For proof, just look at how severely the market has punished Canon in the past, um, 10 years or so. If your glass is half empty, things *always* bode very, very poorly for the market leader.

 

[Marsu42]

If the new Canon cameras use a Sony sensor, what will you call the new Sonikon empire?

This will never, ever happen - or else Neuro will visit the Canon hq and torch their exec building level

I suspect we are seeing 50MP, because Canon might not be able to compete on the lower ISO DR quality front. They are over-compensating for other inadequacies.

This has a negative connotation, but actually even if (if!) this would be true we'd be happy about it as it leaves the customers a choice what they prefer - dr or res.

In any case, I'm 100% sure the 5ds will sell like hotcakes as there are enough enthusiasts with deep pockets on the globe who want a new toy (also no offense meant if any are reading this ).

 

[PhotographyFirst]

If all we get is resolution I´m out. If we get (significant) improvements in noise and DR, I´m in. I have seen enough (condescending) proof from my Nikon 810 buddy (with Otus 55/1.4) to accept that Canon has a significant challenge.

If it turns out to be FF 7DII type sensor performance, I´ll be very disappointed and probably go for the Pentax 645z. If so, I´ll sell off a majority of my EF lenses and limited Canon to action, birds and wildlife.

I suspect we are seeing 50MP, because Canon might not be able to compete on the lower ISO DR quality front. They are over-compensating for other inadequacies.

If this thing is 16bit with massive DR, then the market will probably justify spending the money on it. Otherwise, it bodes very poorly for the near future of Canon tech, in terms of market perception.

I would only buy one of these cameras if the price was down to $3000 or less.

Over-compensating for other inadequacies? Sure, and DR matters more than anything for this new camera. Without super-massive DR, people just won't spend money on it. Poof ... there go the sales! For proof, just look at how severely the market has punished Canon in the past, um, 10 years or so. If your glass is half empty, things *always* bode very, very poorly for the market leader.

Let's make something very clear here. I don't need more DR. While I'm a fan if Canon I'm not going to pretend the market isn't looking for better DR.

I picked my team, but I'm not going to put on the blinders and run with it like an idiot.
I want Canon to gain market share and more MP might not cut it without added DR or cheaper price. I hope I'm wrong!

 

[Mitch.Conner]

I'll call the new empire "A chilly day in hell."

 

[kbmelb]

I'll jump on board. I voted the 5Ds but haven't ruled out the 5Ds R yet. I'd like to see samples oh how much moire the R gets in worst case scenarios.

Having high resolution can be quite beneficial in some cases. I'd also like to see how well the camera does shooting medium RAW. If sharpness holds up, it's the perfect camera for me.