Will the 70d have a new sensor?
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I may be wrong, but March new camera will be 70D with an new sensor slightly faster frame rate 7.5 fps and better
noise handling. ( less noise in low light) Then everyone will be talking about the never to be 7Dll. The 70D will reclaim the
top APS-C spot in the Canon Lineup for the XXD's. If it has an articulating screen it will sell and sell.
noise handling. ( less noise in low light) Then everyone will be talking about the never to be 7Dll. The 70D will reclaim the
top APS-C spot in the Canon Lineup for the XXD's. If it has an articulating screen it will sell and sell.
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The 70D will get an 18mp 1.6x sensor, the 7D2 will get something else. The 70D's sensor might be claimed as a new design, but I doubt it will be. If it truly is new, it will be 20 MP, but the 7D2's will be more, and will likely still be claimed to have even more dynamic range and ISO range.
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I think the March announcement indeed is the 70D. I also think it will be the first camera with Canons new 180 nm process at around 24 mp and single Digic 5 for modest FPS. Wifi and GPS is a given, especially if it is 60D build. I think it will get a variant of 6D AF also for good low light photos and video.
I think 7D2 will also have a new sensor with same 180 nm process, but stay at 18 mp to be the FPS/Hi-ISO monster we all want. Basically a crop 1DX.
The reason for this is for Canon to put out the new sensor in a lower prestige body to get feedback for final spec of 7D2 before they announce it. It also gives the 7D2 a longer time as "latest and greatest crop body", as if the higher mp XXD is release after, it would pull down 7D2 prices. But if released before, the 7D2 lower mp can be marketed as "better", and as a consequence, will not be as sensitive for the next XXD upgrade, as that will certainly have even higher mp count.
I think 7D2 will also have a new sensor with same 180 nm process, but stay at 18 mp to be the FPS/Hi-ISO monster we all want. Basically a crop 1DX.
The reason for this is for Canon to put out the new sensor in a lower prestige body to get feedback for final spec of 7D2 before they announce it. It also gives the 7D2 a longer time as "latest and greatest crop body", as if the higher mp XXD is release after, it would pull down 7D2 prices. But if released before, the 7D2 lower mp can be marketed as "better", and as a consequence, will not be as sensitive for the next XXD upgrade, as that will certainly have even higher mp count.
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I think Canon will introduce a new APS-C sensor starting with the 70D. It will be the first DSLR sensor from Canon made in a 180nm process (they are still using a 500nm process at the moment; Sony is already using a 180nm process). This process is probably one of the main reasons why Canon lags behind Sony and Nikon.
The old 18MP sensor is just to old now. Canon will not get away with putting this sensor, which is almost 4 years old, in a new camera for advanced amateurs. It lags behind just too much.
Another hint is, that all rumors point towards a 24MP sensor (this goes for the 70D as well as for the 7DII and the next EOS M body). That would mean it is a new sensor.
The old 18MP sensor is just to old now. Canon will not get away with putting this sensor, which is almost 4 years old, in a new camera for advanced amateurs. It lags behind just too much.
Another hint is, that all rumors point towards a 24MP sensor (this goes for the 70D as well as for the 7DII and the next EOS M body). That would mean it is a new sensor.
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CanNotYet said:I think the March announcement indeed is the 70D. I also think it will be the first camera with Canons new 180 nm process at around 24 mp and single Digic 5 for modest FPS. Wifi and GPS is a given, especially if it is 60D build. I think it will get a variant of 6D AF also for good low light photos and video.
I think 7D2 will also have a new sensor with same 180 nm process, but stay at 18 mp to be the FPS/Hi-ISO monster we all want. Basically a crop 1DX.
The reason for this is for Canon to put out the new sensor in a lower prestige body to get feedback for final spec of 7D2 before they announce it. It also gives the 7D2 a longer time as "latest and greatest crop body", as if the higher mp XXD is release after, it would pull down 7D2 prices. But if released before, the 7D2 lower mp can be marketed as "better", and as a consequence, will not be as sensitive for the next XXD upgrade, as that will certainly have even higher mp count.
Funny, we posted some of the same idea almost the same minute.
I complety agree with what you said, and I'm really looking forward to the new APS-C sensors; I wonder how they will perform.
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I'm with those that think the existing 18Mp will be in the 70D if it is the first of the 7s out - but it could well have AFMA which would be very useful.
For marketing purposes I think the 700D will have the new sensor as the 7D2 - perhaps 24Mp but maybe 21Mp.
If the 700D was coming out first then all three would have sensor upgrade IMO!!!
A bit convoluted - but don't rule out 21Mp - which would fit in with the general conservatism of Canon designers whose motto is slow but steady.
For marketing purposes I think the 700D will have the new sensor as the 7D2 - perhaps 24Mp but maybe 21Mp.
If the 700D was coming out first then all three would have sensor upgrade IMO!!!
A bit convoluted - but don't rule out 21Mp - which would fit in with the general conservatism of Canon designers whose motto is slow but steady.
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I voted "yes" but I am highly inaccurate in my guesses about what Canon will do so prepare for diappointment ;D
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7D2 is likely to have the new sensor.
70D... maybe someone can stress that a 70D released before the new 7D2 could initially affect 7D1 sales, but if Canon sticks to the same 18Mpx sensor for 70D, considering that it will be on sale until (my 2 cents) 2015... I just can't imagine that a 2009 sensor can survive for such a long time in the Digital Age.
70D... maybe someone can stress that a 70D released before the new 7D2 could initially affect 7D1 sales, but if Canon sticks to the same 18Mpx sensor for 70D, considering that it will be on sale until (my 2 cents) 2015... I just can't imagine that a 2009 sensor can survive for such a long time in the Digital Age.
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JohanCruyff said:
I can imagine it, especially given how long Canon have kept the sensor alive up to now. We've actually been in a "digital age" since the 1960's, or before...what things are digital, and what are not, is what changes...along with the nature and quality of digital.
It is still funny to me, to hear downloaded music described as "digital"...as if its the first digital music. CD's were the first consumer-oriented digital music...and their format is still higher resolution than MP3, because MP3 is "lossy", by design. (There are other compression formats that aren't lossy, but nobody seems to care about those.) MP3 was a compromise designed to save memory space. It's certainly not more advanced than "CD quality" music...and there are other formats superior to CD.
So that leaves us with what's really always the determining factor: What will the market demand, and what are they willing to pay for it? "The Digital Age" is a meaningless descriptor now. Someday in the future, our kids or grandkids will laugh at us when they see pictures or video of us walking around oblvious to our surroundings, as we obsess over texting or browsing on our smartphones. The present "digital age" will just be thought of as "quaint" in the future...of course...assuming there isn't a collapse of civilization...which can't be ruled out.
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CarlTN, I have no idea what your trying to say.
As an aside I think mp3 were more about saving bandwidth than memory, but at this point, really, who cares?
if they do another 18mp 7d sensor rehash they will be making a huge mistake. Now I don't care much if the megapickle count stays at 18. that's fine, but it had better be a damn site better then what they are dishing out now.
- i already laugh at everyone walking through life addicted to dumb crap like smart phones, and facebook.
As an aside I think mp3 were more about saving bandwidth than memory, but at this point, really, who cares?
if they do another 18mp 7d sensor rehash they will be making a huge mistake. Now I don't care much if the megapickle count stays at 18. that's fine, but it had better be a damn site better then what they are dishing out now.
- i already laugh at everyone walking through life addicted to dumb crap like smart phones, and facebook.
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Depends what you mean by new sensor. It may well have a tweaked 18MP sensor that is new or some 20-24MP sensor that is new. But it sounds to be too early for any truly new, new process sensor. I just hope we get that even for the 7D2/3D/5D4.
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
I can see the 70D getting a "tweaked" 18mp sensor. That is more what the 5D III's sensor is...it was "new", but more of an evolution on the 5D II sensor, rather than a revolutionary new sensor.
I seriously hope the 7D II gets something revolutionary. Canon keeps claiming they have something radical in the pipe....but nothing more than a claim. Would be nice to see it realized in something physical...soon.
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jrista said:
+1 on that. tweaked or evolutionary or even incremental -- the words themselves don't matter much and may be splitting hairs anyway. what the new Canon bodies need is sensors from a new generation 180nm fab process. short of that, we are facing "tweeked" or otherwise evolutionary or incremental updates. I Think the show to watch will be what body Canon decides to show their 180nm cards:
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dlleno said:
With what...or if...Canon anon decides to show their 180nm cards. I don't think there is any guarantee that Canon actually WILL release a 180nm part this year. I think it is just the supreme hope of the sensor IQ crowd that Canon will step up their game. They pride themselves on the "all in house" design and manufactured approach...and while I believe Canon's steppers can handle subwavelength processes down to 90nm, I don't know if they have a proven ability to pump out high yield commercial products on it.
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