Will the 70d have a new sensor?
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CarlTN said:
Why not? The 600D has the same sensor of the 7D. It's expensive enough to develop one sensor, let alone several. Manufacturers usually do not differentiate their offer on sensor. If they do, lower-end models will have a safe version of the actually developed sensor - see D800 and D600.
However, usual marketing fashion is to release the most expensive product first. This is to avoid that people potentially willing to spend 2000$ decide that they'd be happy enough with a readily-available 1000$ model instead of waiting for the higher-end one. So with the 7D2 seemingly being the last product to be announced, it might be that it will be the only product with a new sensor. After all Canon has used a old tech for the 5D3, why wouldn't it make sense to use it for a 70D?
Canon recent policy has shown how the company is trying to push customers to buy the more expensive products in the line-up. I wouldn't be surprised to see a let-down 700D, a good enough 70D, and a fantastic 7D2.
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I figure we will find out when the camera is announced. It could go either way. A new sensor is a big thing and when one gets released there will be a lot of noise ( no pun here ) in the camera media. Canon is not going to jeopardize a huge burst of media hype with a leak.
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Sorry guys I still have to bet heavily that a 7D2 will have a different sensor than a 70D. There's just no way they will let you have the "best" sensor for $1200, when they're trying to use it to sell a whole new camera category for twice the price...like a 7D2 in a pro body, in order to use the triple 18650 batteries to achieve 11.7 volts...It's a shame all cameras don't use these, they're fabulous. I've been using them in LED flashlights...and I can't seem to make them use up their charge...3 months later! Of course I don't use them very long on the "high" setting, but still...absolutely annihilates rechargable AA batteries! The whole idea of AA batteries is inferior and out-dated...
It's possible there will be two new sensors though...perhaps a 20 and a 24mp. Therefore the old 18mp sensor will finally pass into history...or not.
Or, it's possible that the 70D will be priced closer to the 7D's initial price...in the $1500+ range, body only. In this case, I will grant that it's possible they both could get the same sensor. But for $1500, the 70D had better have an AF sensor (and the processing speed to keep up with it), at least equal to, if not superior to, the previous 7D. And max frame rate had better be at least 7fps, if not 8.
It's possible there will be two new sensors though...perhaps a 20 and a 24mp. Therefore the old 18mp sensor will finally pass into history...or not.
Or, it's possible that the 70D will be priced closer to the 7D's initial price...in the $1500+ range, body only. In this case, I will grant that it's possible they both could get the same sensor. But for $1500, the 70D had better have an AF sensor (and the processing speed to keep up with it), at least equal to, if not superior to, the previous 7D. And max frame rate had better be at least 7fps, if not 8.
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Even if the 70D has the same frame rate there are plenty of ways for it to be a better camera then the rebel such as 100% viewfinder, better AF, dual card slots, top LCD, MFA, magnesium body, better high/low ISO noise, etc.
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>Sooooo much wishfull thinking
>Sooooo much scope for massive disapointment
For what are you disappointed? For the lack of sensors? I guess the final words were said with the first 5D back
then... I still use it and there are only a few wishes left (sensorwise). I imply that most people didn't use their
existing gear to the max. What sensor should a 70D have? >18MP? Why? There is no reason, at least not for
the people aimed to buy a semipro crop-cam. I really understand that the technology should go further, but the
rising pixels are contraproductiv and the ISO is nice to have. Get a Fullframe and a fast lense... no cropcam.
>Sooooo much scope for massive disapointment
For what are you disappointed? For the lack of sensors? I guess the final words were said with the first 5D back
then... I still use it and there are only a few wishes left (sensorwise). I imply that most people didn't use their
existing gear to the max. What sensor should a 70D have? >18MP? Why? There is no reason, at least not for
the people aimed to buy a semipro crop-cam. I really understand that the technology should go further, but the
rising pixels are contraproductiv and the ISO is nice to have. Get a Fullframe and a fast lense... no cropcam.
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I hope Canon isn't stupid enough to put a "tweaked" 18mp sensor in the 70D. That is ridiculous because like I have said in other posts, that means the XXD line will be obsolete until mid 2015. That DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. They can go ahead and put the old sensor in the entry level cameras because they get updated yearly, but the XXD line gets updated 2.5 years. Do you understand?
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rizenphoenix said:
Not really. From a marketing stand point, that is all meaningless. People looking to buy cameras will obviously compare the two models. They will see that the cheaper model has the same burst rate and the same exact sensor and will be sold. Canon would be shooting themselves in the foot. I was in Canon marketing, I would push for a new sensor and more features to differentiate the two as much as possible. The 7DII would be way above as a "mini 1DX that costs around $2.5k.
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rather old sensor or even new canon has one major issue..
OVERPRICING
also, there is no mood on developing new radical technologies and when they do, they keep it with minimal standards. compare 5D2 sensor with 5D3, small changes, some maybe in high isos.
Even the 6D has a better sensor than 5D3 but with fewer megapixel
And not to say that Nikon who used to have small megapixel sensors, now dominates the market more maturely in terms of resolution and noise and banding etc... etc..
My guess is that the new 70D or 7D mark2 or however they wanna call it (since they are completely screwing the names of each line production) will have a new sensor about 20-22 mp not more and of course with the same old and buggy problems such as noise in shadows and banding with an expensive price tag on.
Never understood why 60D is much more expensive than 600D
some more plastic and better ergonomics? so what? in terms of quality is ABSOLUTELY the same and costs almost the double!
OVERPRICING
also, there is no mood on developing new radical technologies and when they do, they keep it with minimal standards. compare 5D2 sensor with 5D3, small changes, some maybe in high isos.
Even the 6D has a better sensor than 5D3 but with fewer megapixel
And not to say that Nikon who used to have small megapixel sensors, now dominates the market more maturely in terms of resolution and noise and banding etc... etc..
My guess is that the new 70D or 7D mark2 or however they wanna call it (since they are completely screwing the names of each line production) will have a new sensor about 20-22 mp not more and of course with the same old and buggy problems such as noise in shadows and banding with an expensive price tag on.
Never understood why 60D is much more expensive than 600D
some more plastic and better ergonomics? so what? in terms of quality is ABSOLUTELY the same and costs almost the double!
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Freelancer said:
Source: Some photographing girl-&boyfriends from youth, when we studied at the art-school, working for an company that works for Canon. Yes, the 7D2 rumors say, that is has more MP. But is priced over the 5DIII.
70D: Let us see.... We will know in end of spring
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If the 7D II is 28 MP I will probably be keeping my 7D I.Freelancer said:
No need for a high MP monster with little or no improvement in noise.And IMHO the 70D *could* get the same upgraded sensor as the 7D II, but there is no way it is going to get it first. If the first camera out is the 70D it will have the same old 18MP sensor. The 7D MK II will get any new sensor tech first.
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