Will the suggested 5d III specs satisfy your photograpy needs?

[briansquibb]

not likely but possible

1. I have a 7d now and don't really need all 19 of the AF points so 61 seems silly (My opinion only) unless you are trying to track a dragon fly in flight or something. I would be fine with 9 or 19 af points as long as they are more sensitive (less hunting in dark/ low contrast situations) and f8 would be nice but that is probably reserved for 1D bodies only. My opinion on this is we are paying for an expensive af system I would never use.

2. Stepping from 7d to full frame it would be nice to at least be able to do a 1.6X crop and still end up with 18mp which means the camera would need to be about 29mp. 22MP would be good If and only IF the high ISO noise and DR are FAR ahead of the already excellent 5d II. In my eyes to justify $3500 this camera would have to have the same noise at ISO 3200 or 6400 as the 7D has at ISO 100 or 200.

3. FPS, I have used the 7d's 8 FPS like twice and it was kind of cool (kid sliding down a slide) but if the new camera has 6.9, 6 or even 4 that would be fine too as long as the AF keeps up.

4. Dual card slots... Good for a wedding photog but useless otherwise. If I did want dual slots I would not be excited over a second SD slot though I would want a second CF.

5. 100% Full Frame Viewfinder is EXCELLENT!! a big plus in my eyes as long as the user can change out the focus screen if they want.

6. 3.2" LCD. Bigger is better but .2" is not much different.


So in my eyes the 100% viewfinder is a plus but my purchase decision COMPLETELY relies on the utter speculation that this camera will be many stops better in High ISO noise than the 5D2 for it to justify the huge price jump.

1. When the AF point is used for metering then the extra points are useful for correct exposure .

2. The 5DII noise dramaticaly increases after iso 3200. So a clean iso 6400 would seem to be at least a one stop improvement. Until tested we cant really tell - though the 1d4 was acceptable with care to 12800, so I would hope it matches that.

3. Why wouldn;t the AF keep up?

4. fair enough - could be a space issue - although more likele because the 2 card unit was already being produced for the series 1 bodies. It works fine.

5. and 6 - standard improvements

 

[dadgummit]

1. When the AF point is used for metering then the extra points are useful for correct exposure .

2. The 5DII noise dramaticaly increases after iso 3200. So a clean iso 6400 would seem to be at least a one stop improvement. Until tested we cant really tell - though the 1d4 was acceptable with care to 12800, so I would hope it matches that.

3. Why wouldn;t the AF keep up?

makes sense. I thought the metering for exposure and the AF sensors were totally different. My 7d has 19 AF sensors and 63-zone dual-layer metering. But it would make sense to have the AF sensors report distance too the camera because that would help with exposure.

I was only mentioning the stuff in "2" to say that if they did not improve the MP count I am hoping they dramatically improved the 22 mp sensor's capabilites over the older 21mp sensor.

 

[wickidwombat]

Yes it will fill my FF desires but my money-maker is the crop. Still waiting for that one. If they could they just drop a 22MP APS-H in this one, I'd buy two and take them both home to meet mommy.

I'd be right behind you in the que for that bad boy

 

[briansquibb]

1. When the AF point is used for metering then the extra points are useful for correct exposure .

2. The 5DII noise dramaticaly increases after iso 3200. So a clean iso 6400 would seem to be at least a one stop improvement. Until tested we cant really tell - though the 1d4 was acceptable with care to 12800, so I would hope it matches that.

3. Why wouldn;t the AF keep up?

makes sense. I thought the metering for exposure and the AF sensors were totally different. My 7d has 19 AF sensors and 63-zone dual-layer metering. But it would make sense to have the AF sensors report distance too the camera because that would help with exposure.

I was only mentioning the stuff in "2" to say that if they did not improve the MP count I am hoping they dramatically improved the 22 mp sensor's capabilites over the older 21mp sensor.

It is an option for series 1 bodies to link the AF point to metering - so what you focus on is what is metered. I suspect that most 5D2 users AF on the centre point which is the metering point and why the 5D2 has the reputation for good metering 8) 8) 8)

Series 1 bodies also have the capability of individually selecting up to 8 af points for metering - very usefull for weddings, groups and landscapes. If the 5DIII AF is based on the 1DX AF then hopefully these features will come too.

I would see 1 stop improvement as very significant to be good at iso 12800 would be excellent

 

[dtaylor]

Most of us want great low light quality and i can't see the d800 being as good as a 22mp 5d mk3 in low light.

It's a myth that lower pixel density = superior noise for the total image. Total image noise is driven by total sensor surface area and technology level until you reach the pixel densities we see in P&S sensors. Unless Canon has made a leap beyond the technology available to Nikon, I honestly expect the D800 to match the 5D3 in high ISO noise.

Pixel size is related to DR because smaller pixels saturate faster. But I doubt this is an issue with either. If Canon's now "old" 18 MP crop sensor can pull 10-11 stops, a D800 can probably yield 12 or more. That's getting into color portrait film territory.

 

[briansquibb]

Yes it will fill my FF desires but my money-maker is the crop. Still waiting for that one. If they could they just drop a 22MP APS-H in this one, I'd buy two and take them both home to meet mommy.

I'd be right behind you in the que for that bad boy

Hopefully the 'other' 5DII will be a 40mp APS-H based on the 120mp sensor they showed in 2010 ;D ;D 8) 8)

 

[wickidwombat]

1. When the AF point is used for metering then the extra points are useful for correct exposure .

2. The 5DII noise dramaticaly increases after iso 3200. So a clean iso 6400 would seem to be at least a one stop improvement. Until tested we cant really tell - though the 1d4 was acceptable with care to 12800, so I would hope it matches that.

3. Why wouldn;t the AF keep up?

makes sense. I thought the metering for exposure and the AF sensors were totally different. My 7d has 19 AF sensors and 63-zone dual-layer metering. But it would make sense to have the AF sensors report distance too the camera because that would help with exposure.

I was only mentioning the stuff in "2" to say that if they did not improve the MP count I am hoping they dramatically improved the 22 mp sensor's capabilites over the older 21mp sensor.

It is an option for series 1 bodies to link the AF point to metering - so what you focus on is what is metered. I suspect that most 5D2 users AF on the centre point which is the metering point and why the 5D2 has the reputation for good metering 8) 8) 8)

Series 1 bodies also have the capability of individually selecting up to 8 af points for metering - very usefull for weddings, groups and landscapes. If the 5DIII AF is based on the 1DX AF then hopefully these features will come too.

I would see 1 stop improvement as very significant to be good at iso 12800 would be excellent

Yep I only use spot metering, i meter for the part of the scene i want as the control point set my exposure manually then focus and shoot (with the 5d focus recompose then shoot) this is another reason i like back button focus as it seperates the focus and metering actions

 

[briansquibb]

Most of us want great low light quality and i can't see the d800 being as good as a 22mp 5d mk3 in low light.

It's a myth that lower pixel density = superior noise for the total image. Total image noise is driven by total sensor surface area and technology level until you reach the pixel densities we see in P&S sensors. Unless Canon has made a leap beyond the technology available to Nikon, I honestly expect the D800 to match the 5D3 in high ISO noise.

Pixel size is related to DR because smaller pixels saturate faster. But I doubt this is an issue with either. If Canon's now "old" 18 MP crop sensor can pull 10-11 stops, a D800 can probably yield 12 or more. That's getting into color portrait film territory.

Canon's old 18mp crop sensor is hardly an advert for low noise at high iso. The lower density APS-H and FF even older technologies still win hands down over the crop.

 

[Wrathwilde]

After this new camera comes out, I'm going to become a painter. Yes, paint.

Now you face your next conundrum, what color are you going to paint your living room.


The new 5D3/X sounds perfect for me if...

Canon's auto White Balance is significantly improved.

The Autofocus results in significantly more usable pics when shooting action at max fps.

Raw images at ISO 3200 are clean with excellent DR

If the 1DX is significantly better than the 5D3/X in ISO and DR then I'll pony up for the 1DX.

 

[briansquibb]

After this new camera comes out, I'm going to become a painter. Yes, paint.

Now you face your next conundrum, what color are you going to paint your living room.


The new 5D3/X sounds perfect for me if...

Canon's auto White Balance is significantly improved.

The Autofocus results in significantly more usable pics when shooting action at max fps.

Raw images at ISO 3200 are clean with excellent DR

If the 1DX is significantly better than the 5D3/X in ISO and DR then I'll pony up for the 1DX.

+1 Now that is a realistic set of expections

Personally I am not worried about AWB as I sort that in pp

 

[Minnesota Nice]

It easily fits my needs for photography, but I use my DSLR for video as well and I want something more than the standard 1080p @ 30/24 and 720p @ 60 fps. It's not exactly in my budget to buy a Phantom Flex or a RED One so getting that 120 fps isn't very easy for me haha.

+1! Look, when I get this camera it will be a step up from my 7D and for Photos, I like the 7D. So as far as "photography needs"? Well, having this camera? I think I will feel as if I've arrived 8)
But the video (H.264) is a nightmare to work with in a world of fast turnaround. Jello effect, digital artifacts and the dreaded moire! These can be minimized and "fixed" in post but, who has the time?
Some of us, and I believe many more to come, are looking to this for more run and gun applications: TV Magazine style. Documentary. And if you all looked close, a lot of the footage shot at the Occupy events was shot on DSLRs and the footage looked great, much better then the NEWS cameras out there (on their 1/2", or well, 2/3" chip if they are lucky)... this brings me to audio, don't get me started on audio... and no a digital recorder will not do, too much time syncing audio and too dam many connections and switches to miss, I run two wireless lavs and a camera mic, and only two channels, ok two channels I can deal with. I'm hanging enough stuff on my camera rig as it is: wireless receiver, BeachTek, Camera light, follow focus, EVF......... In the News TV Magazine world video and audio should live together. I'm just saying'

So I understand if some of the purely Photography "photogs" out there are thinking "Dude its a still camera!!! leave it alone you video jockey!" I know, I know, its just that they put sutcha' nice big sensor in that box and the things you can do with the lenses.... come on you know its addictive and its just that I want more.

I know I can understand why people who shoot NO VIDEO at all would really hate paying the premium for the video function if they wont use it.

All of the other kids and guys that film snowboarding where I'm from say "Why are you filming with that? Why didn't you just buy a video camera?" and I can see that! But in all fairness they don't understand how much nicer the IQ is and with that bigger sensor it just looks so much better. Of course they aren't exactly filming with state of the art super expensive camcorders but it's at least a step up from that. It's just not in my budget to get something like a RED or a Phantom Flex.

 

[randplaty]

Wow, I had no idea people actually cared about megapixels. Probably all of the photographers who love megapixels switched to Canon and all who hated switched to Nikon and now the companies are flip flopping.

As a wedding photographer, I can tell you that his camera is basically perfect. I shoot sRAW right now so I don't care at all for megapixels. 10 megapixels are plenty. I want low noise at high ISO. I want good AF in low light situations. Sounds like the 5DIII is going to deliver in those departments. Perfect.

 

[KeithR]

Canon's old 18mp crop sensor is hardly an advert for low noise at high iso. The lower density APS-H and FF even older technologies still win hands down over the crop.

Brian, that's simply, demonstrably not true.

The 7D is easily as clean as the 1D Mk III at the image level (I side-by-side tested the Mk III and the 7D to death before choosing the 7D over the Mk III), and much, much better than earlier APS-H bodies.

It's better than the 5D too: and in my experience easily as good as the 5D Mk II/1DS Mk III. And it's certainly far better than the 1Ds Mk II and earlier FF 1D bodies.

 

[briansquibb]

Canon's old 18mp crop sensor is hardly an advert for low noise at high iso. The lower density APS-H and FF even older technologies still win hands down over the crop.

Brian, that's simply not true.

The 7D is easily as clean as the 1D Mk III at the image level (I side-by-side tested the Mk III and the 7D to death before choosing the 7D over the Mk III), and much, much better than earlier APS-H bodies.

It's better than the 5D too: and in my experience easily as good as the 5D Mk II/1DS Mk III. And it's certainly far better than the 1Ds Mk II and earlier FF 1D bodies.

By the earlier technologies I was referring to the 1d4 and 5d2

I too compared the 7D with these bodies and at anything over iso 1600 the 7D fell away. Having heard that the 7D was 'top high iso' I was mighty disappointed to find they weren't so I took a hit and sold them.

 

[chengpenguin]

By the earlier technologies I was referring to the 1d4 and 5d2

I too compared the 7D with these bodies and at anything over iso 1600 the 7D fell away. Having heard that the 7D was 'top high iso' I was mighty disappointed to find they weren't so I took a hit and sold them.

Indeed. I heard about the 7D and 1D4 being low light champs and I tried them both for a week. None of them beats the 5D2 natively.

 

[Richard Gear]

22mp is an enormous letdown to me. Especially since the D800 is so much higher in this field.

I really hope this is just a false rumor.

I've been working as a graphic designer for more then 10 years now and sometimes shoot photos myself for work, plus work constantly with supplied photos from shoots, stock, etc etc.

I NEED MP to work flexibly, it makes life so much better when designing to have more then enough 'flesh' on a photo to zoom in, crop, merge photos, collage, retouch, etc.

If this really is the route Canon is taking, I might just switch to Nikon again...

 

[Grum]

wow this is so funny.

I shoot with a Nikon D3s and D700. I decided to look at Canon today to see what was happening.

After waiting for ages to see an updated D700...something along the lines of slight increase in ISO and MP, they come up with the D800. Way too many MP for myself and 95% of the population. Still it looks like it will sell in droves.....not so much because of the high MP but it is an all round great camera with some great advancements.

Just take a look at nikonrumors.com. On that site they are moaning cos too many pixels, here you are moaning cos not enough!!! If the 5DIII has a reasonable increase in ISO which I am sure it must for this price then this would be a magnificent camera which the majority of Nikon users would prefer.

Is it the grass being greener or are we all a bunch of whiners

Well said :clap:

 

[parsek]

Yes and no. Not enough reason, not to just get a great deal on the 5D2 and have more to spend on great lenses.

Need more MPs and a larger dynamic range in my next DSLR.

 

[Axilrod]

with this specs coming, canon has no body at all for my needs. So i will saving some month for MF or switch to nikon.
There is no camera from canon at this date which will fit for studio phtographers. Especially when Nikon has a D800.
Sure 22MP are enough but for composing there is no space to crop, and with MP over 30 there is plenty space to crop and even size down to a needed size to get the needed IQ

so i'm pretty sure i will leave the canon camp

Is being able to crop a little more really that big of a factor to you? It seems like learning to properly compose your shots would be a much cheaper solution...

 

[EYEONE]

22mp, 61 point AF and 7fps is the perfect camera for me. If we can get at least one more stop better ISO performance I will be drooling for this camera. I couldn't ask for anything more at all.