Will you be disappointed if the 70d gets the same 18mp sensor?

[akiskev]

I want to know what this lovely community thinks about this matter!
I know I will be a bit disappointed, but don't get me wrong: I won't judge the camera just from its sensor. It can be a great DSLR no matter what sensor it will have..

 

[dickgrafixstop]

The 7D is now nearly 4 years old. To announce a replacement without a significant technology
upgrade would be just foolish - unless you want to sell 6D's and relegate crop sensor to the
amateur market.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Do you actually believe that the number of megapixels means its the same sensor? Perhaps you think the T4i has the same sensor, after its also 18mp, and then the T5i too.
Does the G11 have the same sensor as the old Canon 5D? Both are 12 mp, as is the Nikon D700.

 

[bdunbar79]

Do you actually believe that the number of megapixels means its the same sensor? Perhaps you think the T4i has the same sensor, after its also 18mp, and then the T5i too.
Does the G11 have the same sensor as the old Canon 5D? Both are 12 mp, as is the Nikon D700.

We could also bring up the sensor in the 1DX. It's only 18 mp .

 

[Sporgon]

Do you actually believe that the number of megapixels means its the same sensor? Perhaps you think the T4i has the same sensor, after its also 18mp, and then the T5i too.
Does the G11 have the same sensor as the old Canon 5D? Both are 12 mp, as is the Nikon D700.

Good point. Who wants more than 18 mp on APS anyway ? Come to think of who wants more than 18 mp on FF really ;D

 

[akiskev]

Perhaps you think the T4i has the same sensor, after its also 18mp, and then the T5i too.

I said "the same" because iq wise there is no improvement!

Does the G11 have the same sensor as the old Canon 5D? Both are 12 mp, as is the Nikon D700.

Shocking as it may be, I've read somewhere that they differ a bit! Correct me if I'm wrong

 

[akiskev]

GUYS! Chill!
I was referring to the generation/technology of the sensor and not to the number of the megapixels themselves! I don't care about the megapixel count as long as they are more than 8 (personally 10mp is enough for my needs).

I just want to see a "next gen" sensor by Canon though. Something that will be on par with Sony/Oly sensors.

 

[bdunbar79]

GUYS! Chill!
I was referring to the generation/technology of the sensor and not to the number of the megapixels themselves! I don't care about the megapixel count as long as they are more than 8 (personally 10mp is enough for my needs).

I just want to see a "next gen" sensor by Canon though. Something that will be on par with Sony/Oly sensors.

I think I would be disappointed. Afterall, they can certainly put a next gen sensor in the camera. So yes, I'd be disappointed.

 

[Loswr]

I won't be disappointed if the 70D gets the 'old' sensor, but I will be disappointed if the 7DII doesn't get a meaningfully improved sensor.

 

[x-vision]

We could also bring up the sensor in the 1DX. It's only 18 mp .

Same, four-year old, 18mp sensor = big disappointment !
New, 18mp sensor with better DR and 1+ stops better ISO = hurray!!!

P.S. It's not the number of megapixels that will disappoint but their quality.
Bring 1DX quality to 1.6x sensors and nobody will complain that 18mp is not enough.
(Yes, I know that this is difficult/impossible. Just giving an example here.)

 

[bdunbar79]

We could also bring up the sensor in the 1DX. It's only 18 mp .

Same, four-year old, 18mp sensor = big disappointment !
New, 18mp sensor with better DR and 1+ stops better ISO = hurray!!!

P.S. It's not the number of megapixels that will disappoint but their quality.
Bring 1DX quality to 1.6x sensors and nobody will complain that 18mp is not enough.

1+ stop better ISO than what? And the 1DX quality sensor will never be in a 70D or 7D Mark II.

 

[LifeAfter]

I want to know what this lovely community thinks about this matter!
I know I will be a bit disappointed, but don't get me wrong: I won't judge the camera just from its sensor. It can be a great DSLR no matter what sensor it will have..

It wouldn't be disappointing having 18mp, but being ''the same sensor'' YES, that would be DISAPPOINTING.

 

[x-vision]

I just want to see a "next gen" sensor by Canon though. Something that will be on par with Sony/Oly sensors.

+1

 

[LifeAfter]

I won't be disappointed if the 70D gets the 'old' sensor, but I will be disappointed if the 7DII doesn't get a meaningfully improved sensor.

+1

 

[heptagon]

1 stop ISO improvement is hardly possible. Maybe 1/2 or 1/3 stop. What would, however, be possible are 3 stops in dynamic range at ISO 100. What would also be possible is to significantly increase the number of pixels without losing sensitivity after downscaling.

Therefore the safest bet is a higher megapixel sensor with slightly more noise and the same dynamic range after downscaling. Sad but true.

 

[preppyak]

We could also bring up the sensor in the 1DX. It's only 18 mp .

Same, four-year old, 18mp sensor = big disappointment !
New, 18mp sensor with better DR and 1+ stops better ISO = hurray!!!

P.S. It's not the number of megapixels that will disappoint but their quality.
Bring 1DX quality to 1.6x sensors and nobody will complain that 18mp is not enough.

1+ stop better ISO than what? And the 1DX quality sensor will never be in a 70D or 7D Mark II.

Well, people are using 6400 and 12800 comfortably on the 5DIII and 1DX, which was about a stop up from the 5dII. So, if people's cutoff point is say, 1600 with a 60D/7D, then a 3200 that looks similar would be a 1-stop improvement. Even if it's 1/2 stop, its usually enough to open up the barrier to the next ISO level

I don't doubt Canon can do it...it's just a question of where they want the 70D to fit in. Do they think making the 70D essentially what the 7D is/was right now is sufficient? For me, the answer would be no without better sensor performance. I can get a 7D for pretty cheap on the used market, rather than paying their retail price.

 

[x-vision]

1+ stop better ISO than what?

Better than the current 18mp sensor - which Canon has been reusing for four years now.

And the 1DX quality sensor will never be in a 70D or 7D Mark II.

Canon will certainly not put the 1DX sensor in a lower camera.

You have to realize, though, that Canon has been using a 10+ years old manufacturing process for their senors.
This has been confirmed by Chipworks, who put various Canon sensors under a microscope (literally).

Sooner rather than later, Canon will switch to a more modern manufacturing process.
When that happens, we'll see noticeable improvements in image quality compared to previous sensors.

So, the question is, when will Canon make the switch?
Is it going to be with the 70D, 7DII, or some of the higher end cameras.

 

[Canon-F1]

Do you actually believe that the number of megapixels means its the same sensor? Perhaps you think the T4i has the same sensor, after its also 18mp, and then the T5i too.
Does the G11 have the same sensor as the old Canon 5D? Both are 12 mp, as is the Nikon D700.

after DXOmark the results get worse from the 550D to the 650D.. so no the sensors are not exactly the same.. they are worse. :

 

[simonxu11]

Do you actually believe that the number of megapixels means its the same sensor? Perhaps you think the T4i has the same sensor, after its also 18mp, and then the T5i too.
Does the G11 have the same sensor as the old Canon 5D? Both are 12 mp, as is the Nikon D700.

after DXOmark the results get worse from the 550D to the 650D.. so no the sensors are not exactly the same.. they are worse. :

+10000

 

[GaryJ]

I won't be disappointed if the 70D gets the 'old' sensor, but I will be disappointed if the 7DII doesn't get a meaningfully improved sensor.

+1

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