Yongnuo's 600-exrt compatinle transmitter!

[Marsu42]

http://flashhavoc.com/yongnuo-yn-e3-rt-released-yn-600ex-rt-coming/

Probably none, because they figured out that they cannot prevent clones long ago, less so if they aren't 1:1 optical copies.
Of course Unless covered by a patent, but the rt protocol wouldn't fall under that as the Samba folk reverse engineering Microsoft's network protocol showed. But Canon could converse with their technicians to add a (stronger) protocol encryption next time...

Microsoft was forced to open its protocols by antitrust investigations.

Yes, but Samba reverse engineered most of the protocol way before that decision, btw ignoring legal threats and obstruction from Microsoft... but to no avail, the bottom line is: If you buy a product, you are allowed to look at what it does - unless you remove a copy protection, but this is neither the Case in the Samba or Yongnuo case.

Some companies are preventing you to exercise these rights by dodgy licenses, but to my knowledge "just use it, but don't look at or inside it or sell it on" clauses are invalidated in court at least in the EU. And in any case my 600rt didn't include a license agreement limiting what I can to with it.

 

[pwp]

It would be badass if you could have the benefits of the MC2 built-in to the FlexTT5, but then Speedlite users would complain that they're paying for something they don't need. Kinda like the "I don't need video on an SLR" whiners ;D. At least Pocket Wizard gives you the option of adding on studio light power control to its existing receivers with the MC2. Pretty cool!

Actually, the MC2 is really a dedicated unit. It plugs right into the top of the E640, using the same pin connections as PCB's CyberSync unit.

But the AC9 is an add-on to the regular receiver. The MC2 is a nice deal, in that it's standalone and costs $100, whereas to integrate an AB/WL monolight into the PW system, you need a FlexTT5 and an AC9, which will run about $275. That means for existing PW users, getting an Einstein is cheaper than a B1600, and less than $50 more than a B800.

What are you using to trigger the MC2? I know there is a Paul C Buff Commander system that also allows remote power up/down from a central position too.

With my 6 head Einstein setup I use the PCB CyberSync system. It's easiest to trigger them with the tiny, "dumb" hot-shoe mounted CST trigger http://www.paulcbuff.com/cst.php and keep the CyberCommander separate to control everything on your Einsteins. http://www.paulcbuff.com/cc.php . It is hot-shoe mountable at a pinch, but I find it cumbersome on the hot-shoe. On a technical multi-light shoot, I keep the CyberCommander on a lanyard around my neck or blu-tacked to the top deck of my MacBookPro if shooting tethered. You can control up to 16 Einsteins with one of these gadgets. The CyberCommander is very functional but the interface has been designed by geeky engineers. It's not always intuitive...light years from a Johnny Ive design in this respect! It did my head in when I first got it but perfectly fine now.

-pw

 

[cayenne]

With my 6 head Einstein setup I use the PCB CyberSync system. It's easiest to trigger them with the tiny, "dumb" hot-shoe mounted CST trigger http://www.paulcbuff.com/cst.php and keep the CyberCommander separate to control everything on your Einsteins. http://www.paulcbuff.com/cc.php . It is hot-shoe mountable at a pinch, but I find it cumbersome on the hot-shoe. On a technical multi-light shoot, I keep the CyberCommander on a lanyard around my neck or blu-tacked to the top deck of my MacBookPro if shooting tethered. You can control up to 16 Einsteins with one of these gadgets. The CyberCommander is very functional but the interface has been designed by geeky engineers. It's not always intuitive...light years from a Johnny Ive design in this respect! It did my head in when I first got it but perfectly fine now.

-pw

Thanks for the info!!

Just curious, within that setup...is there also a way to set up and use canon 600RT speedlights? I was just thinking of getting into some studio strobes, but cannot afford to buy more than one at a time, over time...and would need to integrate them at first shooting with my two 600 RTs....

Thanks in advance,

cayenne

 

[arcanej]

You can mix-and-match Einsteins and 600-RTs. Mount your ST-E3-RT on your camera and connect your Cyber Commander to your camera with a PC sync cable.

 

[Marsu42]

Any news on this?

Now that I know the transmitter is coming, I'm really keen on it because I cannot use the 600rt's af assist if it's on a flash bracket, a 2nd 600rt just for af assist is overkill and the -3LV af capability of the 6d is worth little if it's slow as hell (at least on my 100L).

 

[StudentOfLight]

All the photogs I know who have the 600EX-RTs have been waiting for f***king ages for Canon to release a 430ex-RT. I would much rather have a Canon Speedlight than a 3rd-party option, but since they seem not to have any interest in releasing a mid-range RT-flash they left the door wide open for 3rd-parties...

The flashes are a blatant copy but at least the YN-E3-RT will have a built in AF-assist beam, which is a big plus for dark environments.

I already have three 600's and I'm not willing to fork out another $1,300 for two more, that don't need to be that powerful.

 

[Loswr]

All the photogs I know who have the 600EX-RTs have been waiting for f***king ages for Canon to release a 430ex-RT. I would much rather have a Canon Speedlight than a 3rd-party option, but since they seem not to have any interest in releasing a mid-range RT-flash they left the door wide open for 3rd-parties...

I already have three 600's and I'm not willing to fork out another $1,300 for two more, that don't need to be that powerful.

I have three 600s as well (and an ST-E3-RT), and I find the extra power over the 430s I previously had useful with modifiers. It's also nice to have the same power level on all the slave units.

 

[RLPhoto]

All the photogs I know who have the 600EX-RTs have been waiting for f***king ages for Canon to release a 430ex-RT. I would much rather have a Canon Speedlight than a 3rd-party option, but since they seem not to have any interest in releasing a mid-range RT-flash they left the door wide open for 3rd-parties...

The flashes are a blatant copy but at least the YN-E3-RT will have a built in AF-assist beam, which is a big plus for dark environments.

I already have three 600's and I'm not willing to fork out another $1,300 for two more, that don't need to be that powerful.

I got 5 of them at the 373$ refurbished pricing and it's still cheaper than previous gen 580exII + TTL Pocket wizards.

 

[StudentOfLight]

All the photogs I know who have the 600EX-RTs have been waiting for f***king ages for Canon to release a 430ex-RT. I would much rather have a Canon Speedlight than a 3rd-party option, but since they seem not to have any interest in releasing a mid-range RT-flash they left the door wide open for 3rd-parties...

I already have three 600's and I'm not willing to fork out another $1,300 for two more, that don't need to be that powerful.

I have three 600s as well (and an ST-E3-RT), and I find the extra power over the 430s I previously had useful with modifiers. It's also nice to have the same power level on all the slave units.

How often do you use all your speedlights at max power at the same time? I can see the need to do that sometimes but for me not that often. I can't speak to others needs but I can get by with having 3x 600s and two less powerful flashes. I can always use an assistant with a reflector to bounce light back into the scene, but that's just me. I'd rather see my money go towrads getting a couple of monolights instead of two more 600s.

 

[StudentOfLight]

All the photogs I know who have the 600EX-RTs have been waiting for f***king ages for Canon to release a 430ex-RT. I would much rather have a Canon Speedlight than a 3rd-party option, but since they seem not to have any interest in releasing a mid-range RT-flash they left the door wide open for 3rd-parties...

The flashes are a blatant copy but at least the YN-E3-RT will have a built in AF-assist beam, which is a big plus for dark environments.

I already have three 600's and I'm not willing to fork out another $1,300 for two more, that don't need to be that powerful.

I got 5 of them at the 373$ refurbished pricing and it's still cheaper than previous gen 580exII + TTL Pocket wizards.

I agree the 600ex flash is a better value proposition than 580 with pocket wizards. But pocket wizards can be used in conjuction with other flashes as well. That said, the 600ex flash radio system is incredibly reliable. The only time it didn't fire was when I was over-zealous and didn't wait for the flash to recycle.

Also the build quality is great. An assistant dropped one of mine into water a couple of weeks ago (fully submerged for a few seconds before we could fish it out) and it's still working fine, no issues.

 

[Loswr]

How often do you use all your speedlights at max power at the same time? I can see the need to do that sometimes but for me not that often. I can't speak to others needs but I can get by with having 3x 600s and two less powerful flashes. I can always use an assistant with a reflector to bounce light back into the scene, but that's just me. I'd rather see my money go towrads getting a couple of monolights instead of two more 600s.

Pretty often. I use decently-sized modifiers (24" softboxes, 12x48" stripbox), and with a backdrop I'm often using f/9-10, ISO 200. In a smaller space, 2-3 can go behind a white backdrop to blow it out.

I do have an Einstein for larger modifiers, sort of debating whether to get another Einstein or 600. I just picked up a set of Honl modifiers for the Speedlites to play with.

 

[BoneDoc]

Just got myself a cheetah 360.

 

[cayenne]

All the photogs I know who have the 600EX-RTs have been waiting for f***king ages for Canon to release a 430ex-RT. I would much rather have a Canon Speedlight than a 3rd-party option, but since they seem not to have any interest in releasing a mid-range RT-flash they left the door wide open for 3rd-parties...

I already have three 600's and I'm not willing to fork out another $1,300 for two more, that don't need to be that powerful.

I have three 600s as well (and an ST-E3-RT), and I find the extra power over the 430s I previously had useful with modifiers. It's also nice to have the same power level on all the slave units.

How often do you use all your speedlights at max power at the same time? I can see the need to do that sometimes but for me not that often. I can't speak to others needs but I can get by with having 3x 600s and two less powerful flashes. I can always use an assistant with a reflector to bounce light back into the scene, but that's just me. I'd rather see my money go towrads getting a couple of monolights instead of two more 600s.

Some of us can't afford assistants!!!



Those tend to run more than flashes (purchase vs salary).

C

 

[dexstrose]

For those interested, I saw this in another forum saying that the Yongnuo transmitter will be out in a couple of days.

http://flashhavoc.com/yongnuo-yn-e3-rt-available-this-week/

 

[cayenne]

For those interested, I saw this in another forum saying that the Yongnuo transmitter will be out in a couple of days.

http://flashhavoc.com/yongnuo-yn-e3-rt-available-this-week/

Interesting.

I'm wondering if this unit, will be fully compatible with making changes from the back of the camera, rather than having to make changes on the unit itself?? That's the big one for me....if that all works, I'm in this game!!

C

 

[Marsu42]

I'm wondering if this unit, will be fully compatible with making changes from the back of the camera, rather than having to make changes on the unit itself??

I very much suppose so, the older triggers simulate a 580ex flash, the new one will simply simulate a 600rt flash to the camera. The 2nd curtain sync has to have a dedicated setting on the trigger though.

What I'm interested in: What does the trigger look like at all? All the images on the site linked are make ups with the label exchanged from the st-e3... and I'm really keen to know the price of course.

 

[privatebydesign]

What I'm interested in: What does the trigger look like at all? All the images on the site linked are make ups with the label exchanged from the st-e3... and I'm really keen to know the price of course.

These are the images Yongnuo themselves put out months ago, your guess is as good as anybodies as to whether they are genuine, a mockup, vapourware etc.

 

[digital paradise]

It's out

http://hkyongnuo.com/e-detail.php?ID=337

 

[WPJ]

It's out

http://hkyongnuo.com/e-detail.php?ID=337

cost?, when is there flash coming out?

 

[Janbo Makimbo]

Fake ????