Yongnuo's 600-exrt compatinle transmitter!
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Jamesy said:
The ST-E3-RT will enable that too, the real question, and one that can only be answered by comparative testing, is how well it works in HSS and ETTL concurrently. The ST-E3-RT will run both at the same time, but my experience with other pre 2012 cameras has been that the output is slightly inconsistent.
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pedant said:
By the picture, the pouch looks much like my genuine Canon ST-E3-RT pouch. I will probably buy the YN-E3-RT when I'm back in China and do some back-to-back comparison. I am not, however, going to do a teardown of the ST.
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PhotoCat said:
There is no question of that functionality. HSS is fully supported for every EOS camera ever made. Though a question mark will hang over new cameras and the YN-E3-RT will almost certainly need firmware updates, just like it did to work well with the 6D and 5D MkIII.
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I was able to link the YongNuo transmitter to my Canon 600 EX RT mounted on my 6D. But, when pressing the shutter, it would fire twice: once seemingly just after the shutter release, and another time well after the exposure had been taken. Of course, the exposure was extremely underexposed.
I was trying to figure out what I might have done wrong when I figured I'd head over here to see if anyone had mentioned anything. I came across your note about firmware and updated the firmware to .06 and that did the trick, and the transmitter now works! Thanks.
In case this helps anyone: regarding updating the firmware, you have to install the included driver first, as the readme indicates. But the drivers wouldn't install for me before I plugged in the device and even once I did plug it in, I got an Access Denied error from the Windows driver installer. I noticed that the entire extracted archive from YongNuo was NTFS encrypted. Not sure why that would be...So I decrypted that folder (right-click the driver folder, then properties then advanced then uncheck Encrypt then ok a few times) and then the driver installed as expected and the update proceeded.
It is remarkable how similar this feels to the 600 EX RT, which was, I guess, their goal. It "feels" like a Canon, so far, other than two small points of seemingly no consequence. 1 - There is a little bit of "play", as in you can wiggle it even when locked on to the hotshoe. 2 - the power button on the 600 EX RT has more of a pronounced "click" when going from off to lock to on, etc.
Great job, Yongnuo, so far. Looking forward to their YN-600 EX RT.
I was trying to figure out what I might have done wrong when I figured I'd head over here to see if anyone had mentioned anything. I came across your note about firmware and updated the firmware to .06 and that did the trick, and the transmitter now works! Thanks.
In case this helps anyone: regarding updating the firmware, you have to install the included driver first, as the readme indicates. But the drivers wouldn't install for me before I plugged in the device and even once I did plug it in, I got an Access Denied error from the Windows driver installer. I noticed that the entire extracted archive from YongNuo was NTFS encrypted. Not sure why that would be...So I decrypted that folder (right-click the driver folder, then properties then advanced then uncheck Encrypt then ok a few times) and then the driver installed as expected and the update proceeded.
It is remarkable how similar this feels to the 600 EX RT, which was, I guess, their goal. It "feels" like a Canon, so far, other than two small points of seemingly no consequence. 1 - There is a little bit of "play", as in you can wiggle it even when locked on to the hotshoe. 2 - the power button on the 600 EX RT has more of a pronounced "click" when going from off to lock to on, etc.
Great job, Yongnuo, so far. Looking forward to their YN-600 EX RT.
WPJ said:
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Got mine.
I haven't updated the firmware, everyone I know is Apple only, so that will take me a while.
First impressions:-
1: It is not a clone, it is slightly bigger than an ST-E3-RT.
2: The buttons are all easier/looser than the ST-E3-RT, I find the original ones too stiff but they never get rubbed or knocked to a different setting, I suspect the YN-E3-RT will be the other way around.
3: Group Mode on my 1Ds MkIII's works right out of the box.
4: Second curtain sync in M Mode only and with a maximum of three groups works straight out of the box.
5: The shutter release cable works badly, it triggers the camera but not the flashes! With the ST-E3-RT all flashes are triggered when the shutter is.
6: There are no Personal Functions as per the ST-E3-RT.
7: The AF assist beam works very well on my 1Ds MkIII's with my crappiest focusing lens, the 50 f1.4. The beam pattern is well lined up for subject around ten feet away, closer and the beam pattern gets progressively higher in the frame. The beam pattern is quite broad, certainly much more than a center AF point only deal.
8: Range, it is the same as the ST-E3-RT, effectively. In fact it can fire a 600EX-RT from slightly further away than an ST-E3-RT but it doesn't maintain radio contact anywhere nearly as reliably as the Canon version. Once they both lose contact the ST-E3-RT will reconnect from much further away. All in initial trials. Do not buy a YN-E3-RT based on longer range.
9: The pouch is much thinner material than the Canon one, not good or bad just different and obviously cheaper material.
10: I got the two trigger/remote cables with mine. A nice included extra that is a $50 option with Canon!
11: Mine came with batteries in it. That would have been nice but for the fact that even though it was an unopened box the On/Off switch (remember I mentioned that?) had been knocked to on, so the batteries were dead and my unit had been on the whole time.
12: It links into an established setup perfectly to work with multiple Masters. The YN-E3-RT works perfectly as either a Main-Master or a Sub-Master and Group Mode works even if the other Master is not a YN and isn't Group Mode compatible.
13: Sync at close to pre RT speeds (the infamous losing one stop of shutter speed) works exactly the same as the Canon system does, at closed down apertures there is a slight shutter shadow, at wide open apertures there is not.
14: HSS works perfectly in Group mode with full selection options.
15: There is some play in the hot shoe mounting when it is locked down, no biggie, just a small quality control oopsie that illustrates the cost advantage.
If you have a pre 2012 camera and 600EX-RT’s this thing is a NO BRAINER, get it, it is vastly better than the ST-E3-RT for you. If you have post 2012 cameras then it is a good cost saving and the AF assist light, if you need that functionality, is a good bonus that actually works, it isn’t a tick on a spec sheet useless addition.
I have the YN-E3-RT and the ST-E3-RT, I thought I’d sell the ST but at this point I won’t because I need the remote shooting function to fire the flashes too, maybe my unit is defective or maybe it is a firmware issue. The ST-E3-RT is much better made, it is more solid and robust feeling and the buttons and dial, though a little too stiff, are a better compromise than the looser YN-E3-RT ones.
I haven't updated the firmware, everyone I know is Apple only, so that will take me a while.
First impressions:-
1: It is not a clone, it is slightly bigger than an ST-E3-RT.
2: The buttons are all easier/looser than the ST-E3-RT, I find the original ones too stiff but they never get rubbed or knocked to a different setting, I suspect the YN-E3-RT will be the other way around.
3: Group Mode on my 1Ds MkIII's works right out of the box.
4: Second curtain sync in M Mode only and with a maximum of three groups works straight out of the box.
5: The shutter release cable works badly, it triggers the camera but not the flashes! With the ST-E3-RT all flashes are triggered when the shutter is.
6: There are no Personal Functions as per the ST-E3-RT.
7: The AF assist beam works very well on my 1Ds MkIII's with my crappiest focusing lens, the 50 f1.4. The beam pattern is well lined up for subject around ten feet away, closer and the beam pattern gets progressively higher in the frame. The beam pattern is quite broad, certainly much more than a center AF point only deal.
8: Range, it is the same as the ST-E3-RT, effectively. In fact it can fire a 600EX-RT from slightly further away than an ST-E3-RT but it doesn't maintain radio contact anywhere nearly as reliably as the Canon version. Once they both lose contact the ST-E3-RT will reconnect from much further away. All in initial trials. Do not buy a YN-E3-RT based on longer range.
9: The pouch is much thinner material than the Canon one, not good or bad just different and obviously cheaper material.
10: I got the two trigger/remote cables with mine. A nice included extra that is a $50 option with Canon!
11: Mine came with batteries in it. That would have been nice but for the fact that even though it was an unopened box the On/Off switch (remember I mentioned that?) had been knocked to on, so the batteries were dead and my unit had been on the whole time.
12: It links into an established setup perfectly to work with multiple Masters. The YN-E3-RT works perfectly as either a Main-Master or a Sub-Master and Group Mode works even if the other Master is not a YN and isn't Group Mode compatible.
13: Sync at close to pre RT speeds (the infamous losing one stop of shutter speed) works exactly the same as the Canon system does, at closed down apertures there is a slight shutter shadow, at wide open apertures there is not.
14: HSS works perfectly in Group mode with full selection options.
15: There is some play in the hot shoe mounting when it is locked down, no biggie, just a small quality control oopsie that illustrates the cost advantage.
If you have a pre 2012 camera and 600EX-RT’s this thing is a NO BRAINER, get it, it is vastly better than the ST-E3-RT for you. If you have post 2012 cameras then it is a good cost saving and the AF assist light, if you need that functionality, is a good bonus that actually works, it isn’t a tick on a spec sheet useless addition.
I have the YN-E3-RT and the ST-E3-RT, I thought I’d sell the ST but at this point I won’t because I need the remote shooting function to fire the flashes too, maybe my unit is defective or maybe it is a firmware issue. The ST-E3-RT is much better made, it is more solid and robust feeling and the buttons and dial, though a little too stiff, are a better compromise than the looser YN-E3-RT ones.
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WPJ said:
Hi there Will,
No, I don't know anybody with a PC that I can use at the moment. I am keen to upgrade the firmware to see what the deal is with the remote triggering. I assume my unit was in the first batch which puts it before 1.05, I certainly don't have 1.06 where you can check the FW version fitted, but will get it loaded ASAP.
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Well it looks like I'm going to jump in and pick up 2 of these.
I had an accident with my 7d, flash and tripod falling over on boxing day and the flash split in three so the 600's were on sale for 445 so I ordered 3 of them...
sell my 430ex II and my 530ex II and ny picket wizards and cables to fund the additional flashes...
I figure two controllers one for each 7d and three flashes should do me good
I had an accident with my 7d, flash and tripod falling over on boxing day and the flash split in three so the 600's were on sale for 445 so I ordered 3 of them...
sell my 430ex II and my 530ex II and ny picket wizards and cables to fund the additional flashes...
I figure two controllers one for each 7d and three flashes should do me good
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http://flashhavoc.com/yn-e3-rt-adds-remote-manual-for-non-canon-cameras/
apparently FW 1.0.7 adds remote manual power control + triggering in conjunction with non-Canon cameras. This starts to get interesting for people wanting to use 600EX-RTs with Canon DSLRs as well as with other manufacturers mirrorless cameras ... but I don't know, whether Sony A7/R have what is considered a "standard iso hot shoe" and whether the YN-E3-RT would work or not. 8)
Also quoted is change-log for Firmware 1.07
download at http://yongnuo.com.cn/usermanual/pdf/YN-E3-RT_FW_V1.07.zip
http://www.hkyongnuo.com/e-detail.php?ID=337
apparently FW 1.0.7 adds remote manual power control + triggering in conjunction with non-Canon cameras. This starts to get interesting for people wanting to use 600EX-RTs with Canon DSLRs as well as with other manufacturers mirrorless cameras ... but I don't know, whether Sony A7/R have what is considered a "standard iso hot shoe" and whether the YN-E3-RT would work or not. 8)
Also quoted is change-log for Firmware 1.07
download at http://yongnuo.com.cn/usermanual/pdf/YN-E3-RT_FW_V1.07.zip
http://www.hkyongnuo.com/e-detail.php?ID=337
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privatebydesign said:
Hey, PBD.....I prefer "not to do windows" much either, unless I have to for work, etc.
I'm much more of a Linux guy, and even Macs (I can get to a unix command prompt on it when needed).
Anyway, for my occasional Windows needs, I run it in a VM (Virtual Machine) on my mac usually. You can buy either VMWare or Parallels, which work great....but if you want to do a free one, VirtualBox from Oracle works quite nicely too:
https://www.virtualbox.org/
Just install this...then, get a windows install CD from someone (I actually bought a Win 7 install CD from newegg that goes on sale periodically)...and install that on Virtualbox.
This way, you can fire up windows to run what you need, and have it running within your OSX session, no more dual booting, etc...
Anyway, you might give it a chance, it is a very convenient way to get Win stuff when you have to work in that environment from time to time.
HTH,
cayenne
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Thanks cayenne,
My days of running VM machines are long gone, I haven't mounted Windows since I gave up using my last scanner six or so years ago.
This is the only time I have needed Windows since then so it can wait. Besides, it looks like the firmwares updates are going to come quite regularly at the moment so I'd only be redoing it every other day. If I didn't have an ST-E3-RT too then I'd be keener to get it done, the early firmware on the YN-E3-RT doesn't play with the EOS-M at all, but there is nothing I need done yet.
My days of running VM machines are long gone, I haven't mounted Windows since I gave up using my last scanner six or so years ago.
This is the only time I have needed Windows since then so it can wait. Besides, it looks like the firmwares updates are going to come quite regularly at the moment so I'd only be redoing it every other day. If I didn't have an ST-E3-RT too then I'd be keener to get it done, the early firmware on the YN-E3-RT doesn't play with the EOS-M at all, but there is nothing I need done yet.
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Ordered the yn-e3-rt x2 today, and 3 godox pb960's. Just picked up my package at the post office 3x canon 600's I can't wait to play
I'm going to do a pic a day in 2014, now I am thinking of doing it as a with flash but that be too muc to add the flash in there.
I'm going to do a pic a day in 2014, now I am thinking of doing it as a with flash but that be too muc to add the flash in there.
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