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V8Beast said:
Valvebounce said:
Hi Folks.
Being an engineer and fond of fixing vehicles it looks to me like the rear end not only has excessive positive camber, it also appears to have a huge amount of toe in!

This is just a wild guess, but perhaps the positive camber is there to increase the contact patch of the tire as the the rear suspension compresses during acceleration? The new turbo motors, after all, do produce quite a bit more torque than the old V-8s.

On a side note, the 2014 Ferrari is unspeakably hideous. It's by far the ugliest car in the pits! I might have to reconsider my stance as a fan of the Scuderia. I am refraining from posting pics of it, as I don't want people vomiting on their keyboards :eek:

Uglier than the Caterham?
 
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Hi Folks.
Just a few of mine from Goodwood Revival.
Taken with Sony Cybershot, lucky to get any cars with the shutter lag that thing had! Well at least it was a good reason to go for a Canon SLR!


DSC00493 by Valvebounce25, on Flickr

Not what we went to see, I think this little lot worked out to a couple of millions worth of damage! Never let it be said they don't race properly.


DSC00494 by Valvebounce25, on Flickr

No not caravan racing, just some of the more unique things you see at the Revival.

300D Cosina 100-300@133mm 1/320s f8.0 ISO 200

IMG_4714 by Valvebounce25, on Flickr

300D Cosina 100-300@107mm 1/320s f9.0 ISO 200

IMG_4716 by Valvebounce25, on Flickr

Cheers Graham.
 
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Hi Folks
Goodwood Festival of Speed 2008 Rally Circuit.

Lancia Stratos
40D 17-85@85mm 1/500s f5.6 ISO 800

IMG_0631 by Valvebounce25, on Flickr

Escort MKI
40D 17-85@72mm 1/1000s f6.3 ISO 500

IMG_0588 by Valvebounce25, on Flickr

Escort MKII
40D 17-85@85mm 1/88s f6.3 ISO 400

IMG_0578 by Valvebounce25, on Flickr

Triumph 2.5PI MKII
This is what happens when you get engrossed in watching your favorite car with your eyes not the camera, you get a whole load of crap pictures!

IMG_0519 by Valvebounce25, on Flickr

Cheers Graham.
 
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Hi Folks
Some racing from Goodwood Revival 2008

2 Corvettes with very different setups doing very similar lap times.
40D Cosina 100-300@300mm 1/400s f11.0 ISO 400

IMG_1591 by Valvebounce25, on Flickr

Drifting a Ferrari round the track.
40D Cosina 100-300@300 1/400s f11.0 ISO 400

IMG_1587 by Valvebounce25, on Flickr

How far from the corner can torque keep one wheel airborne?
40D Cosina 100-300@100 1/400s f8.0 ISO 400

IMG_1678 by Valvebounce25, on Flickr

At one point the Safety Car had to come out!
40D Cosina 100-300@300 1/400s f11.0 ISO 400

IMG_1640 by Valvebounce25, on Flickr

Cheers Graham.
 
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rs said:
IMG_0001 said:
TheJock said:
IMG_0001 said:
That lotus appears to have a lot of rear wheel positive camber, this seems bizarre to me. May be its just a rendered model perspective thing though.
The camber is usually opposite to this, so I think it's just the overhead image giving off that impression. I’m sad to see that their not at Jerez this week, but I’m glad that their Ex-principal has seen the light and joined McLaren!!!!! We had the fastest car yesterday by 6 tenths, so I’m keeping my fingers crossed for a successful year this year, last year was the worst season we’ve had since 1980 so it can't get any worse....... :-\

I know it should be the other way around, but since the front wheels do not show weird camber, it seemed not to be a perspective thing... that's why it struck me.
F1 cars have wider rims/tyres at the rear than the front, due to all the power going through them. Therefore, to get the same level of cornering force from each axle, the rear doesn't require the same quantity of negative camber. This also doubles up as a handy way of squaring off the tyre angles for putting the power down on the straights.

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Therefore it is a perspective thing.

It could make sense that the front have high camber bu tlook straigth from perspective while the back look like they have positive camber while they don't... Had'nt tought it out like that. Thanks. Nice photo by the way.
 
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Nice images Graham, that is either one soft chassis or a torque monster Corvette...

Here are a few more of mines' from last year (2013) F1 support races in Montreal. There were a few lifted wheels there also.
 

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dhr90 said:
V8Beast said:
Valvebounce said:
Hi Folks.
Being an engineer and fond of fixing vehicles it looks to me like the rear end not only has excessive positive camber, it also appears to have a huge amount of toe in!

This is just a wild guess, but perhaps the positive camber is there to increase the contact patch of the tire as the the rear suspension compresses during acceleration? The new turbo motors, after all, do produce quite a bit more torque than the old V-8s.

On a side note, the 2014 Ferrari is unspeakably hideous. It's by far the ugliest car in the pits! I might have to reconsider my stance as a fan of the Scuderia. I am refraining from posting pics of it, as I don't want people vomiting on their keyboards :eek:

Uglier than the Caterham?

Ouch! My eyes hurt. I had not seen them until just now. They just made all other designs seem soooo much nicer!
 
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IMG_0001 said:
It could make sense that the front have high camber bu tlook straigth from perspective while the back look like they have positive camber while they don't... Had'nt tought it out like that. Thanks. Nice photo by the way.

Thanks, but it was just the result a Google image search for a Lotus F1 car ::) My only F1 photos were taken in KL back when I had a Panasonic FZ7. They didn't come out like that!
 
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Hi Dhr90
Yes you can get right round the track with the exception of a few short areas where the periphery track is separated by a hedge, the stands and the GRRC members enclosure.
in spite of that there are huge areas available for general viewing, also there is access to a great deal of the infield where the aviation concour d'elagance is held and also areas of the paddock are open too.
I have tried to attach a print of google earth showing roughly the area that is not veiwable aside from the stands and GRRC area.

Cheers Graham.


dhr90 said:
Valvebounce, can you get right around the track as a spectator at the revival? I'd like to go but if viewing is limited I may be put off. I've been to the hill climb 2 years ago, but prefer circuit racing for excitement and viewing opportunities.
 

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Hi IMG_001
Great shots, I think the Corvette may be running a softer setup, but I think it would still take quite a monster to hold a wheel up for that duration from the corner. It is a highly repeatable situation as I have it on numerous laps of that race and also different years too!
I don't know quite what it is but front wheel drive cars cocking a rear wheel don't seem quite as butch as rear drive lifting a front wheel, that is not to take anything from your pictures, great timing crisp (unlike most of mine), just a preference I have, kind of I've seen boy racered hot hatches do that round a roundabout locally but never a rear drive car! :)

Cheers Graham.

IMG_0001 said:
Nice images Graham, that is either one soft chassis or a torque monster Corvette...

Here are a few more of mines' from last year (2013) F1 support races in Montreal. There were a few lifted wheels there also.
 
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Valvebounce said:
Hi IMG_001
Great shots, I think the Corvette may be running a softer setup, but I think it would still take quite a monster to hold a wheel up for that duration from the corner. It is a highly repeatable situation as I have it on numerous laps of that race and also different years too!
I don't know quite what it is but front wheel drive cars cocking a rear wheel don't seem quite as butch as rear drive lifting a front wheel, that is not to take anything from your pictures, great timing crisp (unlike most of mine), just a preference I have, kind of I've seen boy racered hot hatches do that round a roundabout locally but never a rear drive car! :)

Cheers Graham.

IMG_0001 said:
Nice images Graham, that is either one soft chassis or a torque monster Corvette...

Here are a few more of mines' from last year (2013) F1 support races in Montreal. There were a few lifted wheels there also.
Of course, lifting a rear wheel is not as manly, but still hints that the driver is pushing a bit. If you like front wheel lifting on acceleration, you might like that video. It also has a nice soundtrack from an air cooled flat-6.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yJdRczyzMdM
 
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Valvebounce said:
Hi Dhr90
Yes you can get right round the track with the exception of a few short areas where the periphery track is separated by a hedge, the stands and the GRRC members enclosure.
in spite of that there are huge areas available for general viewing, also there is access to a great deal of the infield where the aviation concour d'elagance is held and also areas of the paddock are open too.
I have tried to attach a print of google earth showing roughly the area that is not veiwable aside from the stands and GRRC area.

Cheers Graham.


dhr90 said:
Valvebounce, can you get right around the track as a spectator at the revival? I'd like to go but if viewing is limited I may be put off. I've been to the hill climb 2 years ago, but prefer circuit racing for excitement and viewing opportunities.

Brilliant! Thank you. Does tha include the inside of the circuit? I was last there as a teenager competing in a Motorsport in school competition. Still can't believe I got to drive that track when I was 14!

I'm looking to go to a broader range of events than just BTCC this year so maybe this and some British GT or Le Mans if money allows.
 
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Hi dhr90.
No unfortunately the majority of the inside of the track is off limits, a large part is an active airfield during the event providing many of the planes taking part in the displays, another area has the traditional harvesting going on with the steam powered thresher and a lot of the remaining area is paddocks and pits etc leaving a couple of small areas of the inside of the track for viewing the racing. There is however lots to see on the inside of the track, large areas of the paddocks being accessible and the aircraft concour d'elegance, the earls court motor show and much more.

Cheers Graham.

dhr90 said:
Valvebounce said:
Hi Dhr90
Yes you can get right round the track with the exception of a few short areas where the periphery track is separated by a hedge, the stands and the GRRC members enclosure.
in spite of that there are huge areas available for general viewing, also there is access to a great deal of the infield where the aviation concour d'elagance is held and also areas of the paddock are open too.
I have tried to attach a print of google earth showing roughly the area that is not veiwable aside from the stands and GRRC area.

Cheers Graham.


dhr90 said:
Valvebounce, can you get right around the track as a spectator at the revival? I'd like to go but if viewing is limited I may be put off. I've been to the hill climb 2 years ago, but prefer circuit racing for excitement and viewing opportunities.

Brilliant! Thank you. Does tha include the inside of the circuit? I was last there as a teenager competing in a Motorsport in school competition. Still can't believe I got to drive that track when I was 14!

I'm looking to go to a broader range of events than just BTCC this year so maybe this and some British GT or Le Mans if money allows.
 
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