*UPDATED* Upcoming Releases [CR3]
Updated Lens Info [CR2]
I’m still waiting on CR3 confirmation, so these are one step lower at CR2.
18-135 3.5-5.6 IS
15-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
The macro still holds true.
No 70-200 f/2.8L IS update according to this source.
Good as Gold
"I'm Faster Than You"
This is from one of my Asian sources, thanks for the info.
I don’t have EXACT specs, but I do have some features.
Canon EOS 7D
- Dual DIGIC 4
- Built in Flash Master (Goodbye ST-E2)
- Full HD Video
- APS-C (1.6 Crop)
- Non Articulating LCD
3 New Lenses
- An L Macro will be released with the new Hybrid System
- One other is a non-L lens
- The third is a bit of a mystery still
Underwater Video Camera
- We can expect a waterproof camcorder from Canon as well.
Related Post
The 7D rumor started way back in January. The specs are off, but the concept of the camera has been correct.
I’m promised more to come.
Forum: http://www.canonrumorsforum.com/index.php?topic=103.0
cr
August 26th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
sweet. hopefully the built in flash master will migrate to higher end cameras (1D IV as well)
sounds promising, Canon may get more of my cash yet
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max Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:35 am
finally canon CLS!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:36 am
pictures going with those lenses
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://blog.pchome.net/article/194951.html&ei=q7-XSuvDF9ihjAfZ_42kBQ&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522EF-S%2B15-85mm%2522%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive
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xclusix Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
But, i just find it so out of place in this camera, i mean, if that spec list its true, its main market would be sport shooters. And the canon Flash Master feels a little more studio-related.
Anyways, looks like a good camera, and with that dual DIGIC im thinking great JPEGs and depending on the megapixels an infinite buffer for JPEGs and very high buffer for RAW files. Now that i think of it PHOTOJOURNALISM is the middle name of this 7D camera.
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Built in flash master is the one thing I really wanted from a new Canon camera.
Well ok, one of the more important things, and somewhat out of left field too.
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Lindsay Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
And about bloody time…
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
OMG 7d SOON
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
5d body, pro AF, FF…. my dream spex
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:30 am
i am absolutely with u
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:11 am
It’s not ff. 1.6 crop is what it says.
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Built-in flash master? The biggest pro-Nikon buzz in my head just shut up…
:D
(Pleased as punch.)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:08 am
knock, knock
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Please let it be FF. If we don’t have a new FF with better high ISO I will be waiting for another 12 months with my 5Ds.
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Zac Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
6. 3 year cycle for 1D ends in feb 2010
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:35 am
Do we know for sure that the next 1D will be FF & not APS_H?
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Malte Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:23 am
APS-H is dead.
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ms Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
dude….its says APS-C… make sense that they’ll make a speed deamon (D300 competition… at least Im guessing that’s why it has dual digics, especially if it will retain the 15mpx sensor) and then will roll out the good stuff for FF with the 1D series updates and then the 5d mkiii down the road (a 3D isn’t out of the question but probably not in the immidiate future)….
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Antony Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
The first post didn’t specify a size – the post was updated to include the 1.6. What a waste of space.
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ff guy Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:39 am
if it was going to be 1.6 crop and if it was going to have about the same pixel density as the 5dii then we would see a prosumer model at about 8mpx :-)
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Dariel Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:50 am
According to quick calculation, the pixel density of 5D mark II is roughly 24305 pixel / square millimeters…
The surface of Canon APS-C sensor is roughly 337.5 square millimeters (mm2)so yes, it is about 8.202 Megapixels…
So you understand now why canon, with its 1dmark 3 ’sensor APS-H 10 Megapixel…we were having margin for increase pixel density…but not that much. Using a tweaked sensor of 50D, or a new , ultraquick sensor, with at least 4 or maybe 8 reading channels could be possible.
Remember the 50d has 15Mp APS-C sensor…
My take : a new sensor of 12-14 Mp to directly hit one of the D3 appeals, but maybe not the same pixel density as 50D. On the contrary it could be the case considering that the XD users are pro/semipro, they will invest in expensive lenses.
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Ted Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:28 am
A slightly simpler calculation that is accurate enough for any comparisons, is to divide the FF megapixels–or multiply the APS-C/APS-H megapixels–by the square of the crop factor. That saves you mucking about with all those square millimetres.
For example:
21MP / 1.6^2 = 8.2MP APS-C
21MP / 1.3^2 = 12.4MP APS-H
15MP x 1.6^2 = 38.4MP FF
and so on.
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Dariel Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:36 am
Indeed!
But it depends what you want to say.
I wanted to talk about pixel density, and having some numbers easily adaptable to compare different pixel density from different sensors is a différent purpose of “Let’s calculate unrealistic sensors”.
1.6 and 1.3 crop factor are “physical distance ratio” of the diagonals of the sensors (FF diagonal / APS-C diagonal) = 1.6 Everithing is linked the solid angle of the field covered (take a look at the tech spec of your lenses), and the reference (because you always need one) is 24×36 equivalent image size. So yes you can use ratio and simple pythagore theorem rules to scale up MP.
But keep in mind that all the calculation you have made in your post are for a given, and constant, pixel density…And a pixel density is not physically related to sensors size (Many different size sensors can have the same pixel density).
So if you want to compare pixel density…you have to calculate it from the sensors sizes. And sensor crop is only a last resort for calculus if you don’t know the size of the APS-C of your brand, but know the Aspect ratio of the picture (3/2 for canon)…
Tricks don’t replace Science all the time !
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Ted Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:55 am
You lost me after, “Indeed!”.
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Just curious. Are all pixels the same size? Are you talking about photosites? Are they all the same size? What’s to stop them from making a smaller photosites and wouldn’t that make such attempts to calculate pixel density meanless?
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Gene Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Uh, what? You only assume a fixed pixel density if you’re using the “trick” to calculate the number of pixels a different sized (but same aspect ratio) sensor would have *given* the same pixel density. The same technique can be applied to taking two sensors of different sizes and pixels (but same aspect ratio) and seeing how the pixel densities compare (simply use the above to see how many pixels each sensor would have if they were scaled to the same size, and then divide one by the other.) You don’t need to know the actual sensor size if you know the ratio between them.
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Hoping for more leaks now that we are close to announcement.
And let us know the crop factor please!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Doubt it’s FF. It already said APS-C
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:32 am
doubt it’s not a crop. whish it was FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
1.6 :( was hoping for at least 1.3
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Joe Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
+1
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ZT Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
+1
A 1.6 is lame. Should be kept at 60D line.
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Christopher Robinson Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
1.6 and $2700? Something isn’t adding up.
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mike Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
agreed, sounds phishy but im sure it will be priced accordingly between the current 5d mkii and the 50d
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follower Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
I’ll bet you everything that the price at BB was just a placeholder. I wouldn’t pay attention to the price. Canon will see what the pricing will be of the new Sony cameras and price theirs accrdingly
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Ted Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:35 am
Think of it as a half-price 1D3 and it will make more sense.
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Stark-Arts Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:34 am
where does it say 2700? it will be same price as d300
IT IS 18MP
IT IS 1.6
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monex Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:13 am
where does it say 18mp?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:08 am
18MP might be pushing the noise & resolving capabilities of the lenses on a 1.6 crop sensor. Although, I’m sure it would still be better for sports photogs who need the extra reach.
It isn’t quite as bad as the 1.7 micron pixel size for the G10, this theoretical sensor would be at 4.3 microns. The 5D Mark 2 has a 6.45 micron pixel size and the 50D is 4.7 microns for comparison. It will be interesting to read the tests and reviews to see what the limit is to where these cameras start to lose low light sensitivity or start having noise because the lenses aren’t good enough.
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
CR3 !! Finally
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dannyROD Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Hooray CR3! Can’t wait for this!
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Stealthy Ninja Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
THIS is more like it CR3!!!
Something is definitely coming soon. Sept 1st?!
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
A big question follows, how much will this camera cost ?
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
No more than $1900.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:44 am
Yeap. $1,899.00 intro price.
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ossme Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:49 am
an arm or a leg.
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Lindsay Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Better than an arm and a leg. Or a kidney, unless you’ve got kidney disease, then the joke’s on them.
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
I’m ready to order!!!
Pro-sum AF camera with HD video for under 3k hook me up!!
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
1.6x and no articulating screen!!!
Seems like it’s going to be my next camera.
Sorry FF guys.
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:34 am
I was right. It’s not APS-H. I said either FF or APS-C. hehe
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:45 am
APS-H is dead.
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gws Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:12 am
Told ya it’s canon and Canon don’t listen to us :D.
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:48 am
We’ll see. We dont have all the relevent specs yet such as MP/FPS.
They may not listen to everyone, but at least they are showing commitment to their two primary formats. APS-H is dead.
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ff guy Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:34 am
no funny
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:47 am
ff guy, your turn may come in 6 months.
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ff guy Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:05 am
or maybe in ten years. till then i still have a eos-3 with the problems of having no place to make good enlagements :-)
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regular Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
you should use a film scanner such as Epson v700.
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Javier Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:36 am
But bet you’ll have a direct print button! (and even maybe using bluetooth…)
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:25 am
Shut up your boring fool.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Now -that- is irony.
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Jeff Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:10 am
+1
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Which part? His boring comment, or his poor speeling and grammar?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
*spelling
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Hmmmm.. I’m a little surprised that its a 1.6 crop though…
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regular Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Canon will certainly give the “it is because of the crisis blahblah” excuse.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:45 am
You must be French.
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
I won’t buy it if it is APS-C. A lot people won’t buy it.
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ms Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
….and a lot of people probably will…. im not one of them since after getting a 5D Im never touching a crop body again (even if I am feeling a little screwed on the tele end of things) but yea, I think with a high speed crop body that hopefully has great AF and video I think Canon will be able to move some serious units…. if I still had my 20D I would have seriously thought about upgrading to this camera but as it were I bought a 50D first and the files from that cam kill APS-C for me (well, the final nail in the coffin was when I saw what my files looked like from the 5D!)
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James Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
If it is APS-C, then it should be called 50Ds or 60Ds (like Nikon does it to D300s), not 7D. It is not clever to move a APS-C body to xD serial.
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James Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
With APS-C, there is not advantage over D300s at all…only APS-H makes sense. Canon and Nikon won’t release exactly same-configuration models.
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test Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
I guess they’re about to.
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:35 am
how big the advantage depends on the fps, plus Nikon doesn’t have 1080p, so it’s got advantages already.
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Gene Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:33 am
If APS-C doesn’t make sense, why would APS-H make sense? The exact same arguments would hold, just to a somewhat lesser magnitude.
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max Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
why not?? theres a crop 1D serie….
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ZT Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
+1
APS-C belongs to xxD
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:49 am
And now xD too.
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Ted Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:47 am
Nah, “advanced amateur” cameras belong to xxD. The xD line is for pro and semi-pro cameras. The sensor size does not really come into it. It’s the weather sealing, the extra card slots, the “pro” autofocus, the build quality, the speed, the features like the new built-in flash commander, etc.
The real question is will there ever be an advanced amateur FF “xxDs” body? (One card slot, no flash commander, slower speed, no weather sealing, previous generation sensor, etc.) The 7D is a sign that Canon may be making room for such a model by introducing features that will also be on the next 5D3 to lift it clearly above any FF “xxDs” model. Then the FF “xxDs” can make its appearance alongside the usual (and cheaper) APS-C “xxD”.
1Ds -> 5D -> 60Ds
1D -> 7D -> 60D
Those sequences then merge at the “xxxD” line. We might have to wait for a 70D/70Ds pairing, though.
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Sony just announced the A850 24 MP FF for $2000.
Canon has obviously gone a different direction, but until we know MP/fps/price of the 7D it’s really hard to say.
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kkc Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
finally someone talking senses… i can see a future canon lineup similar to the below:
Consumer:
xxxD (APS-C)
Advanced Amature:
xxD (APS-C, higher fps)
xxDs (FF, higher MP)
Semi Pro:
7D (APS-C, highest fps, semi pro-AF, some weather sealing)
3D (FF, highest mp, semi pro-AF, some weather sealing)
Pro:
1Dx (APS-H/C, highest fps, pro-AF, full weather sealing, pro body)
1DxS (FF, highest mp, pro-AF, full weather sealing, pro body)
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Ted Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:00 am
I know, it would be nice to see some sort of affordable upgrade path. However, it is probably just the engineer in me that considers the symmetry of this line-up to be sensible. Canon will do whatever they have to do to make a buck; symmetry might not come into it at all. All the same, it is a nice clear marketing message: one strand for the pros (or those with the cash) and one strand for the interested amateurs.
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frankchn Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
What if it is 10-12 fps at 15mpx? This seems implied by the inclusion of a Dual DIGIC IV.
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heskunk Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
other rumor said 144 mil reasons almost points at 12fps and 12MP?? But 12MP would give back some of the reach advantage of the 50D.
anyway a D300S killer for sure, but if nikon has a d700x soon, that will spank this to pieces….
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Javier Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:38 am
don’t 144 mil reasons mean dual digic IV (or maybe V)?
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ff guy Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:08 am
aps-c @ the same pixel density as 5dii = 8mpx @ 18fps
sounds stupid, loool
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maybe Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:18 am
maybe that is it is fits with the other rumors about 18MP and 8fps, which just got reversed when the people couldnt believe 8MP and 18fps and reversed it just like people always go ‘correct’ the spelling of my name on documents.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:53 am
Like from maybe to maeby?
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ff guy Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:10 am
or maybe a 18/3 foveon-style aps-c at 8 fps :-) = 6mpix image files
i want moar 144m reason calculations :-)
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guess Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:11 am
photosites would be huge though
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:55 am
I’m thinking same thing. 12MP x 12fps = 144 million reasons. Canon seems to be smartening up on lowering pixel density these days (see G11). This would be the perfect camera to compete with the D300S. Anything above 12MP on a 1.6 crop is for marketing reasons only.
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:56 am
that would make sense, though I have to say I’d miss the 15 MP image from the 50D. Not sure my clients would accept 12 MP images when I’m giving them mostly 21 MP images now. But the video I can use, and this would make a great wildlife camera.
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:57 am
I won’t touch it with a ten foot pole if it’s FF.
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test Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:03 am
what if it was free?
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:19 am
never!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:54 am
How about a 12-foot pole?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:50 am
What if they give it to you for free with a 5D II?
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
No Toaster ???…move to Nikon…
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
If this camera is fast, weather sealed and has good AF the birders can finally quit trying to add crop factor to 1D bodies, Let’s see it Canon, make a D300(s) killer, we all know you can
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DaveS Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
All the latest rumors for 7D say same weather seals as 5D2.
Which is too bad, as I need full weather seals.
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Mark Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:37 am
I bet a million that it wont be d300s killer. Do you think you will get Pro AF and full weatherseals ?
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:56 am
The D300s is NOT full weather sealed. In fact, it’s almost the same as the 50D.
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Chris Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:20 am
Yes it is…
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:25 am
The D300s is partially sealed. It’ll handle rain coming down just fine but it is poorly sealed at the base. The two weak spots are the battery compartment lid and the card slot door.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Yea because rain is often pouring on the base.
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
If this is a crop camera then there’s another opportunity wasted by Canon to provide a FF camera with better high ISO. I am so sick of waiting for a D3 equivalent, and my 1D2 and 5Ds are nearing end of life. Why Why Why cant we get a 16MP FF camera with good high ISO?
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DaveS Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
I was hoping for a 16mp FF. Another missed opportunity by Canon. Even a 1.3 crop would have been better. Your not going to get good high ISO with a 15mp 1.6 crop.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:26 am
Exactly.
+1e6
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b Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:37 am
“Why cant we get a 16MP FF camera with good high ISO?”
+1000000000
*shaking head and getting ready to move to Nikon*
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Dude, Sony just gave you 24 MP FF for $2000 today, the A850. Nikon gives you half the resolution for more money. Personally I’ll stick with my 5D2 over any Nikon or Sony, but if you want cheap FF Sony is your ticket.
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Lovely…finally…
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
I was hoping this would be APS-H. :( or APS-C @ 12mp.
Most likely this will be priced really near D300s. Around $1700~$1900.
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Poop. Wanted the articulating screen w/24p and dual DIGIC V. Not sure if I am diggin’ the APS-C.
I hope this south of $1900.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
They are most likely waiting for the 1D Mark IV for the DIGIC V processor that will make the Mark IV an amazinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg camera!
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John Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
I hear 24p is not possible with the DIGIC 4, that’s why I was hoping for V. Now I am not sure if they can pull off 24p, but maybe with two?
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Adam Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
articulating screen is poop.
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John Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Not for video. Try shooting video from waist level or above your head w/the 5D M2.
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Adam Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
but DSLR is not meant for full time videographer, DSLR with video is just an added feature. Get a real video camera if video is your thing.
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ZT Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Get some info on professionally shot videos with 5DmII. Its 21st century and dSLRs are getting video like it or not.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Last time I checked 5D II video were crap. Anything changed?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
I think you didnt get the hole thing. DSLR is interesting in video for two things: The sensor and the lenses. And this mean a lot. Now you can get a kit, ready to shoot (and upgradeable), out of the box for under 5G. A Sony EX1 or EX3 cost more then 7G and this is without the 35mm adaptor to play with DoF. The 5D MKII get you amazing video quality with now the opportunity to shoot full manual and use good quality lenses with a film look without paying 15 000$.
That’s the point of video in DSLR
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Agent420 Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Hole = hole in the ground.
Whole = the entire thing.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:56 am
No no he WAS talking about the HOLE thing. You know Anonymous has a thing for other men.
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Adam Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
yeah, both of you have a point, but Canon has a market to protect, they will not make video in DSLR too advance till it start cannibalizing its video camera market. I don’t care that dSLRs are getting video but I do care if it means that it will have flimsy small low Res articulating LCD screen
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Yes your right, I’m not a fan of an articulating LCD either!
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:04 am
No you are not right. Canon is protecting their ancient HDV prosumer camcorder line? From who? Sony, JVC, and Panasonic have been blowing them away with full HD solid state camcorders for a long time now. No one is buying Canon HDV so there’s nothing to protect.
Also, the swivel LCD is not flimsy, and if you’re that worried about it, dont flip it out. It is essential for video. It is very handy for photography too though.
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Adam Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
haha, this is hilarious, it is clearly that you want and all in one camera but sorry for you that it isn’t going to happen anytime soon, the Canon HDV prosumer camcorder line might be ancient but it is still a product that Canon sells, they will not just abandoned their camcorder line simply like that.
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David Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:51 am
No one is buying Canon’s HDV stuff. Only an idiot would spend money on HDV these days. Canon has already abandoned their prosumer camcorder line by not offering full HD like everyone else has for a long time.
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Nick Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:19 am
It’s called an external monitor. Hook it up to the video-out port.
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Nick Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:33 am
As in, if you’re really taking video seriously,you can hook up a small external monitor to your rig and call it a day.
I haven’t had any issues with my videos from waist- or overhead-level with my 5D Mark II, so I haven’t invested in anything like that.
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Ugh, being stuck behind the body is the one big annoying thing about shooting with the 5D2. Gimme a flip out like the XH G1 and I’ll be much happier.
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
19 points AF, with 10 cross types *crossing my fingers*
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:55 am
Better still, ALL 19 AF points are crossed, extra sensitive from f/4 onwards and capable of AF at f/8. Just like the 1D3
One can only hope
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August 26th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
wooooooot. that’s the kind of stuff dreams are made of
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
19AF points All cross type. 5 AF points Diagonal sensitive F2.8 or better. :)
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Maybe this means that the new 1D will be FF and lower MP. We can only hope. Well at least I have another 6 months to save.
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
With the 7D being APS-C, the 60D won’t be this year as it will be dwarfed. Placed between 50D and 1D3 rather than between 5D2 and 1D3.
There is a limit to high ISO performance of APS-C, unless they can achieve APS-H quality, it will be panned.
Dual Digic4 is really high data throughput processing.
I’m not holding my breath.
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ZT Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
60D is kinda losing its point if they release 7D at APS-C. What are thy thinking??????????
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Sleeping Dude Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:22 am
it’s all about price, not everyone can afford 7D at almost 2k
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:53 am
They are thinking of taking on the D300s head on.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:31 am
That’s as true as the day. Why bother with a 60D when it seems this camera will already be Canons top APS-C camera? Bizarre. This should have been named 60D. Why 7D, it’s ridiculous.
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
If it can autofocus my 100-400L + 1.4 tc, that would be great. I kinda doubt it, though. I like the built in flash master. That’s a long time comin.
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belmullet Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:20 am
Agree.. Hope the camera is capable of AF at f/8.
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Dual Digic IV…that’s something special …wowwww!
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
could be canon’s latest and greatest “cold running” CMOS sensors .. which would make a large difference in high ISO ..
now I’m just hoping this sucker isn’t 18Mp :(
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ff guy Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:43 am
apsc @ same pixel size as 5dii = 8mpx @ 18 fps
sounds stipid
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Hip hip hooray!! Makes me think to myself….. 60Dontcare 7D is my next camera.
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
I think introducing an aps-c model in between the xxD and 5dmk2 is a smart move by canon. If canon raised the prices of the xxD line or introduced a cheaper FF it would surely hurt them as 5dmk2s are still high in demand and it would fall a little outside of the price the xxD users usually pay for.
I assume this would be priced around the same as nikon’s d300s? (hoping it would be a little less though) :)
anyways if this is as good as it looks it would be my next camera!
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Stealthy Ninja Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
I agree with this. This is to the 5DII what the D300 is to the D700, perhaps.
Seems to be definitely trying to compete more with the D300 (the XXD series is actually a step under the D300, but it keeps getting compared to it – which sorta makes Canon look bad).
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nouse4names Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Exactly. Although the xxD line is a step below the d300 it is still relatively comparable. which gives me high hopes for the 7d to really outperform the d300/d300s finally.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Ummm, wrong the D700 is a better SLR than the 5D – the AF on the D700 works.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Sounds like the 7D will be able to focus too. What’s up with that Canon?
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Why APS-C WHY?! i will not buy 7D if it is APS-C. maybe i should just reconsider of buying 5Dmk2. Thats it!
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Javier Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:49 am
That’s the idea of the new 7D.
Want FF, buy 5D2…
Want APS-C, buy 7D…
Want APS-H, …???
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Christian Sirois Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Die APS-H! DIE!
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Natural selection by survival of the fittest via product evolution. APS-H was an evolutionary link, but it’s days are coming to an end. It’s FF and APS-C for next few years until the FF sensors can really do dynamic crop so well no one will want APS-C either.
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Man, APS-C, that is so lame! seriously, I was really hoping for at least APS-H! who cares about a super fast camera with small sensor! Ok, I’m sure it will be great for birders and sports shooters, but for everyone else… meh.
Basically it will be a 60D with faster frame rate, built in flash transmitter and maybe better autofocus.
My question is this: Why would a sports/bird shooter care about the flash transmitter? I’m no pro, but it sounds like an odd combination.
If they at least went APS-H I would probably buy one, but I’m not going to upgrade from a Rebel to another APS-C body.
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JohnG Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Never done birding with flash ?
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ZT Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
yeah… it looks like the only alternative for the upgrade for all current APS-C owners is to get a 5DmII…
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
I am disappointed. Canon should have the APS-H sensor in it and make it to become a Nikon killer. Canon already has the 12 mp sensor from the 1D Mk III. Canon really has blown this one.
On the other hand, if this is a 10 mp APS-C with ALL the latest technology from the 1D Mk III, then it will be okay for me. I will still buy it. No 15 mp for sure.
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:53 am
Judging from the G10 -> G11 update, I seriously doubt it’ll be a 15 MP sensor. For speed, they’ll probably leave it at 8 to 10 MP.
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:27 am
That’s the problem with APS-H, it will never be a Nikon killer because of the dedicated crop lenses. If it was the old days with no DX or EF-S glass APS-H would be a better choice than APS-C because the loss of wide angle would be even more on APS-C. But this isn’t the case so APS-C wins, APS-H is dead.
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Rocky Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:47 am
You can always us the non-EF-S lens. there is a 16 to 35mm L lens. That will bring you to 21mm equivalent.
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
16mm and 21mm are a big difference, and you can’t regain the lost wide without dedicated lenses.
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
I do find it odd that the earlier reports said that the big sports cameras were coming out in the spring for world cup time. And the 7d is essentially a prosumer sports camera.
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Sad it’s not aps-h
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Crap… if its truly 1.6X, Canon blew their chance to really jump ahead of Nikon in this class.
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Javier Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:54 am
maybe a 3D is coming soon…
Don’t forget that the D700x is going to appear anytime.
I bet they are waiting for this!
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
1D4 will probably be the fast FF
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Agent420 Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
There is a rumor saying that the 7D will do 20fps with the mirror up. Think about it. If it can do video at full res., why can’t it do fast frames with the mirror up?
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Eric W. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:11 am
Yeah, except I don’t think it can do video at full res. That’d be like 2000p~3500p resolution video. :O
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Any word on pricing for the 7D?
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Yesterday’s rumor that it’s 18mp has got to be wrong. Cant’ squeeze that much juice out of an aps-c
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Javier Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:55 am
Only if you use a foveon cmos sensor… (which will actually be like a “6MP”)
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
If it really costs nearly $1900, it is not competitive at all !!!
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anonymice Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:21 am
lucky for you the actual rumored price was $2700 ;)
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Okay, if they make the 7D a 1.6 crop then I am totally lost on how Canon is doing their naming convention!?!? Can someone explain it to me?
xxD 1.6 prosumer
xxxD 1.6 consumer
xD FF pro
A 7D with FF will blow this naming scheme…
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Davey Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Spend some time with the P&S if you the the numbering of the SLRs is confusing.
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Richard Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Maybe the naming convention is:
xxxD 1.6 consumer
xxD 1.6 prosumer
xD high end prosumer (includes 5D2 prosumer FF and 7D prosumer 1.6)
1D pro (includes 1DS3 pro FF amd 1D3 pro 1.3)
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Adam Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I think what Canon is doing is by using the xD to represent pro line. Which kinda make sense if the 7D is going to be the D300s competitor. Canon uses the Mark x to show upgrades like the 5D and 5D mark II.
So it will be
1Ds = The All-Purpose High Res FF DSLR
1D = The pro level APS-H
5D = The studio high res FF DSLR
7D = The pro level APS-C
So if that how it will be, the question is, where is the consumer APS-H? LOL!
Maybe the 60D will be APS-H consumer while the 40D replacement will be APS-C consumer.
Make sense to me :)
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dannyROD Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
I want consumer FF! =)
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ywx Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
May be it’ll be:
1Ds = Pro High Res FF DSLR
1D = Pro Fast FF DSLR
5D = Entry FF DSLR
7D = Pro Fast APS-C DSLR
xxD = Prosumer APS-C DSLR
xxxD = Consumer APS-C DSLR
xxxxD = Entry APS-C DSLR
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Yep you got it.
APS-H will be gone on the 1D4.
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canon problem Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
The thing that blows about that tiering is no D700 tier, no freaking small body FF with high performance. Nikon may be driving 24MP at 6fps FF with pro AF years before canon ever gets around to a 3D. bah.
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Mark Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:42 am
that will be the next update from Nikon when canon still trying to protect its market segmentation policy.
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what if? Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
what if Canon has a big yield problem with the production of large sensors?
Maybe Canon is not as smart as they like to pretend?
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David Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:57 am
They invented direct print buttons, they are geniuses beyond compare.
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Matt Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:53 am
I wish that is what the 7D would be. A small, consumer FF.
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Antony Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:03 am
It’s like this:
1D/1Ds = Pro
xD = Prosumer / Special req
xxD = Enthusiast
xxxD = Consumer
xxxxD = Entry-level / Compact replacement.
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Matt Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:55 am
That is reasonable, good thought process. I wonder if this is what Canon is thinking. It would be nice if there was a Canon version of “Steve Jobs” who would come on stage and tell us what he was thinking!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
I agree with you:
Canon Nikon
1D/1Ds = Pro = D3/D3x
xD = Prosumer / Special req = D700
7D = High-end Entusiast = D300s
xxD = Enthusiast = Dxx (of course as of right now the Canon xxD sits slightly above the nikon Dxx as they have better bodies and faster fps)
xxxD = Consumer = D40 & Dxxxx
Something like that. I could see Canon moving their 1D to FF so they have a camera to match the D3 and maybe renaming their 1.3 APS-H to something else that sits above the 7D but below the 5D. Only time will tell. I could care less about the D300s, the upgrades aren’t groundbreaking over the D300, I’m more interested in what the D400 would bring.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:48 am
No chance of 60D being 1.3x if the 7D is not.
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dannyROD Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Not all the 1D flavors are full frame . . .
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afrank99 Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:31 am
Actually NOT A SINGLE 1D has ever been FF, it’s the 1Ds that are FF.
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
until the 1D4
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Because the D3 wasn’t around yet…
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
This will be a great camera with a huge market.
My only disappointment is not having the new Digic V processor; it seems we’ll have to wait until 2010 for that.
People will go for the speed, the video. And let’s not forget that many people with lenses for crop cameras will be able to buy this cam w/out buying all new lenses.
Once this is released it will be interesting to see how the video people react to it…if it becomes the next must have video capable dslr, like the 5dmkii.
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Adam Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
geez, dual Digic 4 is still not good enough?
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ABC Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Oh it’s pretty cool, no doubt.
But after all of the wish lists in the rumor dept, I got spoiled :)
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Nikon mole Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Does anyone think Nikon sends out overly optimistic rumor specs to the sites so that everyone expects the moon and then ends up bitterly disappointed in the end?
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regular Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
which rumors are you refering to?
The D300s rumor has been spot on. Nikon relies on Sony sensors, so it quite easy for everyone to guess Nikon specs.
Unless you were refering to the MX rumor? :))
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Ted Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:04 am
“My only disappointment is not having the new Digic V processor”.
You are disappointed by the number that will be printed on some chip that you cannot see without opening up the camera? How exactly will that affect your ability to take photographs?
You are taking all of this far too seriously, dude.
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
What if this is the 60d? Haven’t there been rumors of canon scrapping the xxd label anyways?
Why is everyone so down on 1.6 crop factor? To me 1.3 just doesn’t make sense – can an APS-H lover please explain to me all this hoopla??
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:51 am
People just want more of everything bigger. LOL.
Seriously, the 1.3 crop factor is totally limiting unless Canon releases an EF 12-24 f/4 lens.
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Rocky Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:22 am
You can always use the 16-35 L f2.8. With a crop factor of 1.3, that will give you 21 to 45mm. Hope that is wide enough for you.
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
It’s not. You can’t regain the lost wide on APS-H. A 12-24mm designed for FF would not solve anything, it just would mean you dont get 12mm on APS-H either. Short of Canon making a new dedicated lens line, like EF-H or something, it’s a dead format.
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Rocky Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:01 am
APS-C is 15mm X 22.5mm (337.5 mm^2), APS-H is 18.5 X 27.7mm (512.45 mm^2). So The APS-H is 50% bigger than the APS-C. Assuming everything else is equal,including total pixel count, the APS-H will have at least twice less noise than the APS-H. Also since it is 23% larger in the length and width. It have less demand on the resolution of the lens. That is why the 1D is always APS-H. Canon Has been making the most (best) out of the situation for its second most expensive DSLR. I have not yet get into the limitation due the the law of physics yet.
By the way,I am down on the 1.6 crop factor. I am down on the 15 mp sensor with 1.6 crop factor. Under this condition, even the Canon L lens will not have enough resolution to handle it. Also the law of physic for the image start to be unsharp at opening less than f. 6.3.
I am still using a 20D now. Since it is a 10 mp sensor, the above problem can hardly affect me. Even now, a lot of the camera test site is still using the 20D as a yard stick for noise. I like the feature of the 50D. If it had a sensor with only 10 mp, I could have brought it already. This shows you that I am down on APS-C in general.
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theskunk Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:23 am
actually FF at 2.6 times the sensor area only gets about 1.6 stops better SNR at 18% gray and APS-H is a smaller advantage than that.
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Rocky Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:52 am
1.6 stop is about 3 times. so my factor of 2 is about right. also noise is not with linear relationship to area, It is square root.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:54 am
Actually the 20D is 8MP, the 40D is 10.1, which I think is nearly perfect for a 1.6x crop camera, 12MP is probably the sweet spot, especially if it lets you get 10+ FPS. The 50D has shown that 15MP is a little too many dots on such a small plate.
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Bob Howland Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:30 am
I own a 40D and agree with you about 10.1MP being perfect for 1.6x crop. I just can’t imagine a 1.6x cropper costing $2700, which is what Best Buy had it listed at in their database.
For me the timing is wrong. The 40D is my “outdoor camera” with the 5D performing indoor duties. Since indoor shooting predominates in the winter, I was hoping to replace my 5D now and the 40D next spring. No such luck!
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Rocky Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Thanks for correcting the mistake. 20D is 8 mp.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:06 am
Stop the lingo. “Down on APS-C” – does “down” in this street talk of yours imply a good thing or a bad thing? Proper English is encouraged on this site please.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:30 am
‘Lingo’ is just as much a use of slang as ‘down’ is, so you really shouldn’t set the precident of proper English, even if the guy doesn’t have the facts straight.
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LionTX Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:05 am
It’s spelled “precedent”.
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Rocky Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Sorry about using “Down on APS-C”. I was just paraphrasing the original question.
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Eric Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Hope not. I liked the sound of the rumor that suggested a high ISO quality 60D.
…if the 7D ends up under 2K and with good high ISO I would get this instead but this doesnt sound likely. I dont need a super high frame rate enough to consider 2700.
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
darn, i wish it has articulating screen for video.
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Javier Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:59 am
and a direct print button!
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:07 am
You are the most witty person I have ever seen on this website.
Actually no, you’re not. But you are the most pathetic.
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Javier Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:02 am
I love you too.
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Jeff Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:09 am
+1
Btw: don’t worry about that John Swan guy – he’s a bit of a pretentious pr__k.
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Skeletor Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
The only feature I am really looking forward to is the “Improved” print button! This wasn’t part of the rumored spec list but its real! The new print button will be twice as good as the older ones!
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August 26th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
As someone with a mix of L and EFS lenses looking to upgrade from a 40D, I’m quite happy if the 7D is pitched as an offering between xxD and 1D3, ie similar in ‘quality’ to 5D2 but 1.6 crop rather than FF. As such, the 7D is not just a generational upgrade (40D –> 60D), but also an upgrade in line-up (xxD –> xD).
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:07 am
Why anybody with an L lens would also own an EF-S lens is beyond me.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:33 am
That is an easy one there jonny, for the 400 f/5.6L and the EFs 10-22
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Oh Dear! Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Like the previous poster said – the EF-S 10-22.
Could your nose be any higher in the air?
Snot.
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gwac Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:14 am
I’ll bet you’re a member of the Aryan race, eh? PURIFY!!
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regular Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
GODWIN POINT! YOUR ARE A WINNER!
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
the master on camera is doing it for me!! hopefully better high iso than the 40D, same speed is good for me 6fps is plenty. but the canon cls thing is looking rad!
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frum Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
i lol’d at canon cls
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max Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
hahahaha we have to call stuff by what they are dont we?
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
I wanted this to be FF but daaaaaaamn, this sure is tempting. It’ll all depend on the price though, I might have to sell off a few things to get this and just get a used 5D for something FF. If this was FF though I’d beg/borrow/steal to get it.
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
just bought my 10-22 prior to encountering this rumor. and finaly… its an aps-c! huray! i could have been very disapointed!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
lol exactly the same as my situation
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
If its priced at D300s levels and its APS-C i’m sticking to the xxD line or the 5D.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:08 am
If it is not consistently better than the D300s in testing, then I won’t be going near it and will opt for the Nikon model instead.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Can you please do this already, move over to their rumor site as well.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Brave guy… for an anonymous poster, that is.
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
I’ve been holding off buying a new camera while we waited for these rumors to work themselves out, but if this version is correct, I’m not interested in the 7D. I want FF. I think I’ll go with a 5D Mark II. The 7D’s built-in Flash Master is nice, though.
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Dean Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:07 am
I’m in the exact same situation as yourself. Yeah, i am now thinking i will go with the 5Dmkii, full frame is the only way i want to go.
i was also thinking i may hold off and wait to see if the 1DmkIV is to be FF too, but now that Canon has done this im not sure if i could be bothered to wait…. i shall wait till Sept 1st.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
I will get more use out of a high res, full frame camera as well. In 5-10 years if I need a second camera with lots of reach, they will probably have done some new innovations by that time. The 5D Mark 2 won’t be getting any less sharp over time.
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
maybe they called this APS-C camera as 7D because they are running out of numbers on the xxD camera. future upgrades will then be 7D MKx
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Kris Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
If that is true, then the 7D will be priced near the 50D price. Making it far more inexpensive than what people are thinking.
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
As always, Canon disappoints me. But I’ve known Canon for years, hence it won’t release a cheap FF camera. If this is well-priced ($1900 I think expensive), surely this is a great movement. At least users from xxD would upgrade to this line and tempts more of xxxD line too before they want to upgrade to FF.
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Somebody Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
From Canon’s point of view, 5D MkII is a CHEAP FF body. XD
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3D Master Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
yeah the cheap one is a used 5D and the cheap new one is a 5D2. What they need is a little bit more expensive one a 3D!
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Mark Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:45 am
I am with you 100%. Canon already thinks they are giving a lot of camera for 2500 price bracket. Hence the constant out-of-stock gimmick to maintain the price premium
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regular Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
I understand : you mean like the playstation 3 during its first year? To produce a small number of items, to let people think it is a total success.
I dont know. Maybe Canon is having issue with the last-gen sensor fab.
G11 and SX90 sensors are produced by Sony.
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
disappointing! expected it to be APS-H. but who know, it might be a great performer in terms of noise reduction and image quality. i will probably wait out to see the reviews before upgrading my 40D. if not, might as well wait for the 60D
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:57 am
the 40D is an amazing camera, as well as the 50D in that respect… it is a very respectable camera.
However, this camera would be canon’s answer for D300 that nikon has. I doubt that the upcoming 60D would have the same feature as the 7D in terms of speed and built (if the 7D has partial weather seal)
I have tried the 50D, and by all means the noise is very usable up to ISO 3200, but the 50D is not that much of a leap from the 40D whereas the 7D will to both.
I just hope that the 7D would have a greater noise control at high ISO and have the same amazing picture quality as the 5dmII (I have to admit that FF is amazing and no wonder everyone here is really upset that the 7D is crop).
As I use 50 1.4 most of the time with 10-22 so the 7D is very logical move for me. I hope that canon will ship it with the 24-105 or 24-70 (finger crossed)
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
[...] [via Canon Rumors] [...]
August 26th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
DAvid, which of the two did the C3 source say:
1) That the Sept 1 DSLR was 1.6
or
2) that the 7D was 1.6 (i.e., specifically name it).
Maybe the source is correct about the SEPT 1 announcement, but incorrectly attributed it to the 7D? (Wishful thinking, but I’m willing to hold out hope).
thanks,
Chris
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
this is very very disappointing. i was waiting for it to be full frame… it is unfortunate that i now will be going to canon for their d700s/x
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mike Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
oops i meant the dark side, nikon
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:48 am
Goodbye
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Oh Dear! Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Don’t let the door….
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David Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:05 am
Yeah, go buy less features in the D300s for more money, smart move…lol
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
I like it!
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Looks like i’m replacing my 7D with an 7D….
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regular Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Will you send me your Minolta… please :)
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Canon just had to release this camera to screw up DPReview’s Canon forum’s naming. Now 7D has to go with xxD due to 1.6 crop.
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gws Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Lol @this. I wonder if they are going to take 5d out of 1ds/1d group and place it with 7d in another section. xxxD and xxD lines stay the same.
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ichiban Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:35 am
aps-c version of 1D…
1DsIII vs D3X
5DII vs d700
7D vs d300s
50D vs d90
500d vs d5000
1000d vs d3000
than xxD will back to 1.5 years life
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:46 am
Right on. They just need to improve on the sensor quality of the updates to the 50D/500D/1000D, and they’ll be able to dance on the grave of their biggest competitor.
LOL
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Anonymous Reply:
August 26th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
lol 07D XD
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Having an internal flash controller is at least a step forward for Canon.
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August 26th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Looks like a great spec to me, providing dynamic range and noise at high iso are improved. With the dual digic processor and built in flash transmitter (if that is true) and partial weather sealing, the 7D will be quite a leap from the current 50D in terms of speed and important features and will be hard to beat with any newer development…
So, I would think the product cycle would be longer (2+ years) as oppose to the xxD 1 year product cycle.
I dont know but it seems logical for me, so that canon can spend time more on R&D rather for their newer camera later on in the future.
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August 27th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Looking at it mostly from a video point of view, this camera looks very interesting. 1.6 crop is fine for video work. Full frame is a bit of an overkill. I wonder what they have planned (video-wise) with the dual digics. I’m pretty sure I’ll be purchasing this camera.
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Mark Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:47 am
If you are looking for narrow depth of field and best bokeh, then FF is better than crop
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Andy Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Sure it’s better for shallow DOF, so is a fast lens, but how much do you need? A 1.8 crop sensor is almost exactly the same size as the sensor in the Red One. There are many pro video/film guys who feel that’s enough. The only benefit I care about in FF with video is better low light sensitivity.
Photography is another story.
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Matt Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Those 18MP could be a integer downsampling (like 3:1) to FullHD … So it could be the first DSLR that omits line skipping and uses the full sensor (or the 16:9 part of it) for Video.
Regards, Matt
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:59 am
Hey, looks like you’ll be getting what you actually needed all the while.
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August 27th, 2009 at 12:18 am
If this is released on 1st Sept . . .When can we expect to get our hands on it??
And how much you think it will cost?
Im thinking late October – $$1799
Opinions???
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:41 am
with shipping and everything else… probably 6 months after the announcement, Im in Australia, and have not seen the G11 hits any store as of yet X_X
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:05 am
I think Canon will try to charge more than $1800 at the beginning.
Eventually, though, the price will have to settle at $1700-1800.
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August 27th, 2009 at 12:31 am
finally there is a [CR3],
it is the pro aps-c camera…
it should price between 5dII to 50d
it make the 50d replacement
hope it is not too expensive…
DUAL-DIGIC-IV?! will it >10fps?
much better than d3xxs from nixxn
maybe i will buy 7DII~~~
as i buy my camera last year…
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August 27th, 2009 at 12:40 am
Yipppe… finally a D300s competitor after so long.
Woohoo….
And a telephoto macro lens with HIS.
Canon has truly locked me into their system. :D
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:44 am
If Canon is smart, they should bring the weight of the 60D down to the same level as Nikon D90. Then they’ll be able to take on their biggest competitor head-on.
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August 27th, 2009 at 1:01 am
what is a built in flast master? Can someone explain?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:07 am
built in flash master means that one can trigger external flash even though it is not attached to the camera hot shoe mount. Should be applicable to any external canon speedlite (not the 270EX though)
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August 27th, 2009 at 1:11 am
I see a great camera here, but why is everybody complaining?!
First, what’s the problem with the name? 7D? if I have a million reasons to buy it, I would called it 1.000.000D!
What’s wrong about the cropping factor?
It was clear that a “replacement” camera to the 50D should be out in the market. Adding just video to the 50D and call it 60D would be a st.pid move. Then, add it pro features and call it 7D and compete with the best of Nikon’s brand new D300s.
Now wait for the D700x (anytime soon, probably before the year ends), and call it 3D or 1DsMIV…
Clearly it is marketing.
I’m in with this camera, if the price is not too high.
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Rocky Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:25 am
APS-C is 15mm X 22.5mm (337.5 mm^2), APS-H is 18.5 X 27.7mm (512.45 mm^2). So The APS-H is 50% bigger than the APS-C. Assuming everything else is equal,including total pixel count, the APS-H will have at least twice less noise than the APS-H. Also since it is 23% larger in the length and width. It have less demand on the resolution of the lens. That is why the 1D is always APS-H. Canon Has been making the most (best) out of the situation for its second most expensive DSLR. I have not yet get into the limitation due the the law of physics yet.
By the way,I am down on the 1.6 crop factor. I am down on the 15 mp sensor with 1.6 crop factor. Under this condition, even the Canon L lens will not have enough resolution to handle it. Also the law of physic for the image start to be unsharp at opening less than f. 6.3.
I am still using a 20D now. Since it is a 10 mp sensor, the above problem can hardly affect me. Even now, a lot of the camera test site is still using the 20D as a yard stick for noise. I like the feature of the 50D. If it had a sensor with only 10 mp, I could have brought it already. This shows you that I am down on APS-C in general.
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afrank99 Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:39 am
The 20D is 8MP, not 10.
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Rocky Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:03 am
Thanks for pointing out my mistake. the 20D is a 8 mp
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:59 am
How many times are you going to post this??
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Rocky Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:05 am
Obviously, Javier has not read or unable to find my previous reading. so I post it again for him. Sorry.
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Yep Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:49 am
I hadn’t read it and appreciated his contribution.
Yours, less so.
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August 27th, 2009 at 1:21 am
The comments on the forum thread are a little less on the complaining side for those who want to go there…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:38 am
you mean there’s less whining about a camera that hasn’t been released or even announced yet? cool…
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August 27th, 2009 at 1:28 am
I have just one, BIG hope: it has to be at maximum 10 mp.
If it’s 15, too bad!!
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regular Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:04 am
D300s is 12MPx.
My issue is that rumors reported 18Mpx. How can Canon improve dynamic range while shrinking pixel size?
Or the sensor is not a bayer-one. Or they takes 2 consecutive captures at different ISO values.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:10 am
I would love to see it…if it works. With the fast frame rate it may be possible. The software would also be pretty hard to get right as well.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Keep dreaming sonny boy.
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August 27th, 2009 at 1:29 am
I agree with the post saying that xxD users will be dissapointed with the price. I think it will be priced around $2500 following the best buy rumour….This will be too expensive for those looking to upgrade from the 50D. And i think there are alot of those users out there.
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somebodyelse Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:35 am
There should be a new 60D in spring, for those who want to upgrade.
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Richard Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:53 am
Didn’t Best Buy get the prices of the P&S cameras all wrong? They got the models right, but not the prices. So, the Best Buy price for 7D might also be wrong (let’s hope)…
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Bob Howland Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:34 am
All I know is that the Best Buy had the G11 listed for $599 and the Canon MSRP is $499.
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kubelik Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:02 am
I believe another user pointed out that the Best Buy prices were probably holding prices since Canon had not yet passed along the final MSRPs to Best Buy. it’s a little early to be freaking out about the price of the 7D
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August 27th, 2009 at 1:35 am
Ugh. Another APS-C?
Guess I won’t be buying a new Canon camera any time within the next 12-18 months…
To hell with speed, to hell with video, to hell with megapixels. Is it too much to ask for a modestly-priced full-frame at ~12-16 MP max without all the bells and whistles? Surely the manufacturing price of the 5D (and now the 5D MkII) has had to come down in the past 4-5 years…
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Rocky Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:57 am
I tend to agree with you. No video, not more than 5 fps, I would even settle for 10mp either in FF or APS-H, even APS-C with All the feature of 50D
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:13 am
+1. I have nothing against APS-C (I have the 40D) but I really love my 5D. I guess I need to seriously consider the 5D MK II as my next purchase.
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Mark Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Price has nothing to do with manufacturing cost. It is how much the target market is ready to pay.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
ah .. to hell with a rebel FF..
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August 27th, 2009 at 1:53 am
We will wait for the new Canon EOS 5D Mark III, have more new DIGIC 5, 45 Poins AF, 100% VF, dual card slot as 1D Mark III.
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theskunk Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:29 am
and sadly 30MP and 4fps instead of 6-8fps and 21MP :(
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Michel Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:18 am
yes output in 2011
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Adam Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:48 am
haha, dream on. Canon will never make the 5D Mark III into a 100% VF, and unless the 1D series gets a new AF system, I don’t expect we will see 45 points in 5D Mark III anytime soon.
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Mark Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Essentially you want a 1 series camera sold as 5d. that will never happen
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August 27th, 2009 at 1:59 am
7D as the specs about Nikon D300s ???
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August 27th, 2009 at 2:18 am
Well I’m disappointed….
If this was an APS-H I think I would get it.
I was hoping/wanting/needing a FF with realistic resolution,
pro AF and weather sealing.
I guess that leaves 1D4 & the 3D as my last hopes
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:31 am
I’m ecstatic it’s going to be APS-C!!!
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J-Man Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:13 am
happy for you, sad for me.
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August 27th, 2009 at 2:42 am
i just bought a 5dmk2 im kinda pissed off about that flash master feature i want that too without paying 200euro extra
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Bear Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:33 am
ST-E2 is just ETTL, not ETTL2, so it’s not compatible with 5D mark2 (all flash custom functions in camera are disabled).
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Ted Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:55 am
Maybe shop somewhere else. I got my ST-E2 for about €130.
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August 27th, 2009 at 2:43 am
some how I told you…. But i cannot say that Im not disapointed my self.. :\
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August 27th, 2009 at 2:46 am
You all complain about 1.6 crop and 15 mp. But what if it dont have a bayer sensor????
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ossme Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:54 am
I guess we have to wait and see.
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August 27th, 2009 at 2:51 am
Oh man, this is so disappointing. I was hoping for a fast FF, or at least an APS-H camera, with about 7-8fps, a great AF and video-mode to replace my bulky 1D Mark III. And this is what they´ll offer me? There’s no way I will trade my 1D for one of these… Even thinking about one of those tiny and dark 1.6 viewfinders makes me angry, not to even mention the other lousy 1.6-crop features.
And no, the 5D Mark II is not an option for me because of its pathetic AF-system and ridiculous 3,9 fps.
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:46 am
Unfortunately, the market of photographers like yourself is small compared to the vast majority of APS-C shooters. ;)
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kubelik Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:00 am
I’m pretty sure the 7D is not designed for 1D owners to trade in for. you’ll just have to wait another 6 months (or 12, who knows) to get the new 1D series camera. sucks but unless your camera’s broken or you suddenly need to print at large sizes I think you can survive the wait. it is frustrating when you know its possible to make your perfect camera but it just doesn’t exist on the market
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August 27th, 2009 at 2:56 am
Let me say that this affordable source will be degraded in a few days….
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beepboop Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Thems fightin’ words. Let’s hear what you got, partner.
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August 27th, 2009 at 3:18 am
If the 7D is APS-C and is close the D700 price-wise, then Japan Govt. will have to intervene! LOL!
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:27 am
Indeed.
If it is priced high above the D300s, I can guess how DPReview’s conclusion is going to read: Recommended.
LOL
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August 27th, 2009 at 3:33 am
What Canon should of done was but Dual Digic IV’s in the 5D MKII to bring it to at least 6 FPS. That would be a plus as a sports shooter/Wedding photog. Need the high ISO/low noise of the 5D MKII but the high frame rate of the 40/50D. Oh the D700 fits that void. But well invested in L lenses to switch. Did not want to spend 7k for the 1Ds and just went with the 5D MKII. And my 40D is well over 200k shots so the 7D will have to do for now.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:16 am
“Should of done”? Don’t you mean “should have done”? Since when has the word “of” been an acceptable replacement for the word “have”? Good thing your post was anonymous so you can’t be named and shamed for such idiocy.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Get a life and start taking some photos. You are not the grammer police.
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Yep Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:29 am
+1
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Grammar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammar
Grammer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelsey_Grammer
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Dustin Harris Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
+1
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kubelik Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:58 am
good thing the internet is anonymous so you can act so high and mighty
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Thankfully your posts are not anonymous so that I can skip over such idiocy.
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Joe Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:37 am
John Swan,
When you speak to people in person, do you correct them with air quotes? Lol. “You really ought to have parsed your sentiments this way, which is clearly superior grammatically…” then with two fingers from each hand raised in the air you speak down to everyone you think is inferior to you (which is everyone because you have an inferiority complex) and then preach your grammatical ways.
Get a life dude. Go play with your direct print button.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Be careful though, if you play with it too much, you might go blind.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
So what if I do? Do you have a problem with that, Joe?
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Joe Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
John,
Yes I do have a problem with that. Not only do I find it annoying, but I think it is unbecoming of you or anyone else. This is not a formal conversation so slang or shorthand can be permissible. By nitpicking and not letting people save face you are only reflecting poorly on yourself.
Maybe you ought to heed my advice and go play with your direct print (DP) button instead next time. :)
Joe
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Wow, correcting peoples grammer. You must have no life.
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Mark Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:45 am
With the price of L lenses going up fast, you can as well sell em off and switch to Nikon d700
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Excuse me?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:21 am
I think not. There is no excuse for you.
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August 27th, 2009 at 4:01 am
“The 7D rumor started way back in January. The specs are off, but the concept of the camera has been correct.”
If the concept rumored in January is indeed correct, then the “xxD” moniker is going away. So, there should not be any 60D, right?
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regular Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
60D moniker will go away : it will be called Elan 6 :)
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August 27th, 2009 at 4:06 am
suggestion
would it possible to make the comment link directly to the post on the fourum??? and do away with the DEEP coment threads intirely
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ossme Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:56 am
hey com one! i love it this way! besides, not every body want to join the forum >_>
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August 27th, 2009 at 4:42 am
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August 27th, 2009 at 4:51 am
if the 1.6 crop factor is true, i think the EF-S 50-200 f2.8 HIS rumor makes sense
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Yawn. Nobody with any serious photography ambition is interested in buying EF-S lenses. Buying one of those is like walking around with a sign saying “I will never reach the stage where I will be able to afford/justify the outlay on a camera with a better crop factor than 1.6x”.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:04 am
Yet another worthless comment.
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Richard Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:06 am
You’re the bore, mate. Do you really think photographic ambition / talent is directly proportional to the number of L lenses you’ve got?
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
I wouldn’t know – I only use L lenses so I don’t know any different. I wouldn’t lower myself to use anything else. My time is precious so if I’m going to spend it taking pictures, I want the best lenses.
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Joe Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Good god.
What a piece of work.
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Blake Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
I call Poe on this guy.
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Dustin Harris Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
John, you’re absolutely right, if I were a professional and could offset my business taxes by purchasing a 1Ds and 16-35mm, then I would absolutely sell my 10-22. For a hobbiest, my 20D + 10-22 is a combination approaching the best optics offers, at a fraction of the cost. However, since you clearly consider yourself more than an amateur why not list your website and portfolio, and perhaps a list of clients?
It would be a shame to have to consider you a troll that is being needlessly belligerent purely for the attention.
Dustin.
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David Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:14 am
photographic ambition / talent is directly proportional to the number of direct print buttons pushed
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kubelik Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:57 am
I’m pretty sure back in the film days 35mm was considered puny and was a sign saying “I will never reach the stage where I will be able to afford/justify a Hassy CM500 or shoot on silver gelatin”
… so get off your high horse
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David Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:16 am
That’s true for certain markets like wedding photography and studio work, MF film was expected and only amatures shot 35mm film for that. That’s one reason we’ll see the 1Ds4 hit MF quality.
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gwac Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Quit yawning and go back to sleep. No one is interested in your comments here.
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August 27th, 2009 at 5:07 am
I’m lucky enough to have a PDF of the specs of the camera in my inbox, and I’m affraid the CR3 is incorrect in his statement about the 7D having built in commander.
Camera is 18MP
3″ ClearView II 920,000 Dot LCD
8FPS to 90 frames (in JPG)
19 focus points! (9 manually selectable)
The good thing for video fans is the camera will have a few different modes:
1920×1080 @ 30/25/24 fps
1280×720 @ 60/50fps
640×480 @ 60/50fps
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somebodyelse Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:12 am
I dont’t believe this.
18MP on APS-C is very bad!
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Someone Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:37 am
Canon will be offering standard ISO between 100-6400 with a boost to 12,800. I hardly think they would release a new camera/sensor with really poor noise performance.
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:46 am
You mean like they did with the 50D ???
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regular Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
out of curiosity :
what does it say about the new mode dial, or the M.Fn button?
what about the viewfinder?
what about weather sealing?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:28 am
meh..
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Anastas Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:09 am
I don’t believe this…
is it FF, if it’s true, upload a pdf file and give us link…
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:21 am
You are looking at the PDF spec released over a month ago, which was released on this website. We all saw that. Don’t pretend it is exclusive to you, or that you know for sure it is the definitive spec. Put up, or shut up.
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Someone Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:17 am
I’m not putting up a PDF… just remember my post on 1st Sept… Whether you believe me or not, I don’t really care.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Fine, we’ll play along and wait.
But if you’re so sure about the PDF you have, at least tell us something about the sensor size so we can stop speculating over it.
That is, IF your info is correct as opposed to the CR3 source’s.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:38 am
John,
what pdf do you mean? It looks liked I’ve missed something.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Can’t find it now. It was on some French site, and the spec was posted here. Same spec as this clown is talking about. He knows nothing. If he had the official full spec he’d be bragging all the details around here instead of all this “I know something you know” tripe. Ignore the peasant.
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:16 am
I am honestly sickened to my stomach after I read your post.
If Canon really squeezed all those 18 MP into an APS-C (NOT APS-H) sensor, I will dump most if not all my Canon gear and switch camp.
As it is, ALL Canon sensors are inferior to Nikon ones in terms of dynamic range at low ISO and chroma noise. So, there’s little reason to stay and increasing the pixel density will potentially render the whole Canon situation worse.
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Come to think about it: 18 MP APS-C sensor + 19 AF pt + 8 fps place the camera squarely in the xxD domain. There’s no reason to switch to the xD moniker.
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:52 am
No. That’s the thing – the market perceives the xxD as a bigger Rebel, not as a high end model.
They do need the rebranding if they will charge more.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
It’s a fair point you make.
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:55 am
These are very believable actually.
The Camera is in the same class as the D300 – except that it arrives two years later. So it needs to best the Nikon somehow.
I guess they chose the megapixels again.
Nothing wrong with the extra resolution if the ISO/noise is good enough.
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August 27th, 2009 at 5:12 am
I dont’t believe this.
18MP on APS-C is very bad!
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:54 am
It is more likely 10 MP and 18 fps. Do not get the order mixed up.
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August 27th, 2009 at 5:13 am
There will be NO 7D in 2009!
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:22 am
That post should be given its own piece on this website and classified as CR-5 (note negative 5).
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Malte Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
+1 Nostradamus
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August 27th, 2009 at 5:36 am
So what happend to “Lord of Darkness”? I dont believe a crop can compete with D3/D700/5DMK2 (can it???)
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kubelik Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:53 am
the “Lord of Darkness” probably looks to be the coming 1D4; especially if it moves up to full frame and gets the new Digic Vs in it, it could very well be another “see-in-the-dark” camera
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David Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:20 am
or maybe they’ll drop the MP on the 60D and go for low light there?
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August 27th, 2009 at 5:43 am
as a 40D user, i’m quite happy about the 7D being APS-C, as it could mean a whole new era for EF-S. i’m thinking L-class crop lenses!
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gwac Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Hey, that’s true… this would truly be a good thing for EF-S users.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:30 am
An L class EF-S? Over my dead body.
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gwac Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Two birds with one stone!!
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Oh Dear! Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:59 am
+1
LOL
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Dustin Harris Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
I don’t believe that will happen, as it confuses the lens line up to have L (professional) series lenses that will not work on professional series bodies. Do much marketing effort to disambiguate. If Canon were going to do that, they would have declared the 10-22 an L series lens, having nearly identical optics as the 16-35L II.
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David Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:24 am
Nope. A lens gets the L designation only if it has Flourite elements, which of course the 10-22 does not have. That’s not to say they could not make something like Pentax’s 16-50MM F2.8 ED AL (IF) SDM dedicated crop lens as an EF-S 16-50mm 2.8 L USM. That would be sweet for a semipro 7D APS-C body.
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Malte Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Then there is only a wide engle needet. Nothing more.
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August 27th, 2009 at 6:08 am
Built-in flash master, What I have been waiting for hopelessly
Very good news indeed if it’s true
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August 27th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Thanks for an update. This just confirms I should have bought Nikon D300 a long time ago. I am sick of this APS-C cr*p from Canon. I bet it will cost £1500 in high street and will do nothing better than 40D with 24-70L, 17-40L and other standard to wide lenses. Small viewfinder is a real PITA.
… * waits for a the price of 1D mk3 (or 1Ds mk2) to go down * …
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kubelik Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:52 am
I’m sorry, what size sensor is the D300? Unless you meant the D3, the D300 is also an APS-C sensor, or “cr*p” as you elegantly put it. enjoy your nikon
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Malte Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Nikon call it the super duper DX-Format. AND its´1.5 not 1.6!!!!!!!!!!!!! lulz
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Nikon 1.5x is far superior to anything Canon have done on 1.6x to date. Shame this one won’t be 1.3x.
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
What planet are you from? Only the recent 12 MP APS-C sensor in the D300s/D90/D5000 is worth raving about. ANY Nikon DSLR before the dawn of the D3/D300 era is not worth talking about.
But admittedly that Nikon 12 MP APS-C CMOS sensor is quite something. It has even better dynamic range than Canon’s FF sensor. Unbelievable.
On the other hand, Canon needs to address non-uniform color sensitivity (which leads to chroma noise) as well as on-board electronics noise (which leads to poor dynamic range at low ISO) in their sensors.
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August 27th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Die APS-H, DIE!!!
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Christian Sirois Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Now, the birder and sport photog will have their fast crop camera. May the next 1D be FF!
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August 27th, 2009 at 6:13 am
[...] Upcoming Releases [CR3], [...]
August 27th, 2009 at 6:22 am
New lenses
EF-S 15-65 mm F/2.8 IS USM (Corp. x 1.6 = 24-105 mm).
New lenses
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gabe Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:57 am
maybe, but it only makes sense if its f4 (they dont want to kill the 17-55 what is a superb lens)
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Canon should discontinue the EF-S line.
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
They may as well close down their camera division if they do that ‘cos the APS-C sector is their bread and butter.
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August 27th, 2009 at 6:39 am
This looks great. I was looking to step up from my 400D and waiting for the 60D to be released. I have EF-S long and ultrawide angle lenses for surf and wildlife photography. The APS-C is great! it means I don’t have to drop a load of money on rediculous L long L primes.
Definitely glad it’s not APS-H, I will make the step to FF sometime, but to me (and i’m sure a lot of other APS-C users) APS-H is not a sensible option.
I’m almost definitely getting the 7D. I better wasn the bank manager!!!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Ridiculous L glass… you clearly never used them…
Try them and you will realize that the EF-S is ridiculous.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Couldn’t have said it better myself. EF-S were designed with beginners in mind.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:51 am
That’s funny. Last I checked, EF-S lenses were built with crop sensors in mind.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Oh yeah, all the pros use 1.6x crop, don’t they?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:54 am
The 17-55 f/2.8 is a notable exception to your pompous, arrogant, ignorant statement.
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:53 am
I own the 70-200 f/4L IS USM lens, arguably one of the the finest L lenses from Canon and certainly the best in the 70-200 series.
And I can tell you it is NOT better than the EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM optical quality wise. The 7-2 just has superb built.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Sorry, but my 70-200 f2.8L wipes the floor with that. And so will its imminent replacement with the new IS technology.
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Gusto Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
‘Wipe the floor’??? Huh???
Perhaps you want to go take a serious look at results of properly conducted tests.
If it’s that good, you won’t hear so many pant-up wet dreams about revised versions of the f/2.8s. Have you heard of ‘rumors’ about Mk2 versions of f/4 IS? Obviously not.
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Paul Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
+1
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John Swan Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 5:47 am
Hi, don’t pretend that the f/4 version is better. The f4 is for those that can’t afford the f2.8. Sorry, but it’s true. The reason why there are no “wet dreams” about revised versions of the f/4 version is simply because it doesn’t share the same userbase.
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August 27th, 2009 at 6:58 am
if it`s apsc I hope it`s not more than 12 mp`s or else it will be another 50d incident.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Have you even used a 50D before or do you just like reading about it and regurgitating what you’ve read?
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yarrayering Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
huh? I was referring to the 50d`s high iso noise performance which is worse than that of the 40d.
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August 27th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Goodbye Nikon….Hellooooo Canon
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b Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Huh? Full Frame, 12mp, lowest noise posible, Pro AF, superb build quality, CLS, 5-8 FPS, super sharp glass, lower picing
why oh why oh why???
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NikonLover Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:45 am
The lens price kills everything. Canon colors are better in my eyes.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Colourblind, eh?
Joke.
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David Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:30 am
Hmmm 7D is $1699, D300s is $1,799 – where’s the lower pricing?
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August 27th, 2009 at 7:33 am
I can see this being successful form a marketing stand point, but I’m really after a slightly more responsive AF system in a FF body. I guess my problem is that I want decent af and don’t care about fps. For half of what I do 5dII af is bearable, but really I find even with certain kinds of portrait work the af is just too slow and inaccurate (especially with fast lenses) does anyone else have that problem?
To me the depth of field relationships of larger formats are most important and even FF is a bit small, but who has the cash for digital medium format anyway?
Not raging on aps-c it’s just not for me, small finders, less smooth in and out of focus graduations (whether it’s less or more DOF depends how you view the advantage of FF not needing to be enlarged as many times to viewing size as 1.6)
My ideal camera:
16-18mp FF (emphasis on color depth, dynamic range and low noise)
fps anywhere from 3-5
Fast responsive af ideally all extra sensitive above 2.8 and at least 5 cross type. ( don’t care if I have to focus and recompose as long as it’s sharp without tracking back and forth for 15 seconds)
And the latest and greatest in video canon will put in a dslr
Preferably 250th flash sync
Anything on top of that is just icing.
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August 27th, 2009 at 8:13 am
[...] http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/08/upcoming-releases-cr3/ ” Canon EOS 7D – Dual DIGIC 4 – Built in Flash Master (Goodbye ST-E2) – Full HD Video – APS-C (1.6 Crop) – Non Articulating LCD “ [...]
August 27th, 2009 at 9:02 am
This looks like a follow up to the 5d’s success in the video market. A sensor size matching motion picture film, 2 processors to handle the data… I can’t wait to see this thing!
Hopefully the FF fans will get theirs in the near future.
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August 27th, 2009 at 9:24 am
news from sony…
Sony unveiled today its second full-frame digital SLR in the shape of DSLR-A850. It offers almost all features of the company’s flagship full frame DSLR A900, but at a more affordable price. It is built around the same 24.6MP CMOS sensor and incorporates A900’s 3.0 inch 921k LCD, sensor-shift image-stabilization and Dual Bionz processors. The only compromise is a 98% viewfinder coverage against A900’s 100% and slower continuous shooting. To complement the A850, Sony has also announced a mid-priced 28-75mm constant F2.8 SAM lens to fit with the A850’s affordable full-frame ethos. The A850 will start shipping from September 2009 with the 28-75mm lens available from November 2009.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:41 am
The price will be $1999.99, according to this site: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352079,00.asp
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gabe Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:45 am
hmm, canon has to do something now
we need a sub 2k FF cam!
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Jeff Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:01 am
3fps? No thanks.
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August 27th, 2009 at 9:27 am
canon should make 7d ff. There is still hope.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
No there isn’t.
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August 27th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Hopefully the 7D will have the same manual controls for video that the 5D Mark II has with the 1.1 firmware.
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Streewise Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Forget 1.1. Magic Lantern is all you need…
http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Lantern_Firmware_Wiki
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August 27th, 2009 at 9:38 am
18-135 3.5-5.6 IS
15-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
?????? These Suck!
Why would you release the worlds ‘fastest DSLR’ with two 5.6 lenses?
Where is the EF-S 50-150mm 2.8 IS USM (70-200 equivalent)
Why would anyone pay $2000 for a ’sports’ 1.6 crop, and use 5.6 lenses on it.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:46 am
+1 there’s already the 28-135 IS lens so why the 18 – 135 unless these are EF-S lenses.
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TK Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Now ask me why I just had the IS for my 28-135 replaced?
28-135 itself needs updating, but the step Canon’s taking is a bit misguided. No USM? I’ll be stuck with this clunker for a while.
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efs guy Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:31 am
I reckon the 18-135 IS will have ring USM as well as the 15-85
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Bob Howland Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:54 am
If the 7D is a high end 1.6x cropper and Canon is introducing a 15-85 (presumably) EF-S, why did Best Buy show a kit with a 28-135 EF lens for the 7D?
Something’s not right here!
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regular Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:16 am
A 15-85 is roughtly equivalent to 28-135 on APS-C.
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Bob Howland Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Actually, it’s 24, not 28, but why not just call out the 15-85 in the kit? I’m beginning to wonder just how little information Canon USA gave Best Buy about the 7D.
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August 27th, 2009 at 9:39 am
crap, Sony did it, $2k FF, now Canon will be pressured, I’m guessing if they are selling it at $2000, then the 7D must be a FF, I bet many Canon users don’t mind an updated original 5D sensor)
Now, I wonder if Nikon would reduce the D300s price point :D
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August 27th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Who cares about Sony..their high ISO sucks…lenses sucks too.
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piotr Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:54 am
i agree with u – but they introducing the 28-75mm F2.8 SAM and we will have the brand new 15-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM – it is not on the top of my wish list
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piotr Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:58 am
and the price – if sony keeps it under 2k $ – and if the canon APS-C 7d over 2k – they can win bigger market share
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Javier Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Do you know the fps and AF system on Sony?
Maybe it is cheaper because of the missing features!
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Oh Dear! Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:19 am
3fps – severely crippled.
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WT Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:22 am
The sub-$2K sony is 3.something fps. Essentially, it’s the a900, but a bit slower and slightly smaller coverage in the VF. It also doesn’t have video. So, the 5Dmkii gives you better high ISO above 800 and video (and lens choice). Sony has the basic lenses you need, plus sensor IS, some killer DR and $700 cheaper (list, not street).
Hopefully it puts some downward pressure on the 5D
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frankchn Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
You can get the “new” Sony 28-75/2.8 lens for your Canon/Nikon now. It is just called the Tokina 28-75/2.8.
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Adam Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:05 am
yeah, I agree. Lets hope this means that Nikon will reduce the price of the D300s, release a D700s at $2k (essentially with D300s features; dual card, 98% viewfinder) and D700x (next year at between D700 original price and D3 pricing).
And I wonder if Exmor R (or backlit sensor) will ended up in future Nikon DSLRs
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Sony are progressing at a faster rate than Canon. The gap is decreasing all the time.
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August 27th, 2009 at 9:55 am
The Sony a850 I mean, not this 7D (which looks interesting).
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August 27th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Canon need paracetamol again
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regular Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Canon needs Vitamin C… or something stronger, like Viagra :)
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August 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Maybe one of the new lenses is a special “movie” lens with provisions for faster contrast AF (which apparently requires an extension of the EF lens protocol), and additional features like a stepless aperture and extra silent USM and/or IS?
Would make a lot of sense given that with Canon’s current video DSLRs you are effectively left with manual focus as you can forget about contrast AF. And if these lenses were also actively supported by the 500D, you have your Panasonic GH1 killer.
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gabe Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:04 am
i dont think they care to much about the gh1…
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Grummbeerbauer Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Well, I think they should… I guess the idea of having interchangeable lenses on a camera with a very usable “life view P&S-style” framing via the main display plus the option to use a very good electronic view finder when the display won’t work (= bright sunlight etc.) is really appealing to many P&S users looking for something better.
I used to think like that not too long ago. While now I am pretty convinced of the benefits of an optical viewfinder, I still see the many advantages of an EVF (like boosting viewfinder brightness when shooting in low light).
The G1 and the GH1 are already really mature given that they are the first serious attempts at building an “EVIL” camera (“electronic viewfinder interchangeable lens”).
While the GH1 is too expensive right now, this will definitely change and I am pretty convinced that these type of cameras will eat away a huge part of the entry-level DSLR market in a pretty short time span, and Canon will have to counter that. Either by offering their own EF(-S) evil camera (which will remain compatible to old lenses, but will require new lenses to get faster contrast AF), or by offering something like “micro EF-S”, i.e., an APS-C sensor on a mount with reduced back flange distance and adapters to use EF(-S) lenses, just like micro-4/3s.
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Paully Walnuts Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Could be, But it defeats the purpose of DSLR Video?
DOF is the Reason to shoot DSLR video!! Not the autofocus. Maybe in the future, the autofocus will improve, but for now, people use it for short clips with DOF. 85mm @ 5.6 SUCKS for Video.
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Grummbeerbauer Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Well, you won’t get shallow DOF with such a lens, but you will make many consumers that are not that much involved in photography/videography happy that will now end up with their subjects actually being in focus.
These people will not accept having to revert to their P&S when shooting videos of scenes that go beyond their manual focus skills.
Unusable AF will be a deal breaker for many people interested in DSLR video.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:13 am
stepless aperture would be nice.
faster hill climbing / contrast AF doesn’t require lens changes.
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August 27th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Not to sound like a complete idiot, but maybe someone can answer this question for me.
If the 50d can do 6.4 fps with one Digic 4, why is everyone saying it will only do 8fps with two Digic 4’s? Obviously, there are hardwhere limitations with the shutter, by why go through the expense of another Digic 4 processor just to add 1.5 fps??? Is there another big advantage to have two Digics?
There is about a $1500 difference between the 50d and 5D II, a camera priced in between in my opinion will do quite well even a 1.6 crop. I don’t see why everyon is so anti 1.6crop, when the have the 5dII. For a cheaper ff how about the original 5d?? Or is it the 1.6 is as good as that one now? I have a lot of ef-s glass, because I couldn’t afford better at the time, it will be nice to have a camera better than the 50d that I will be able to use it on. I’m happy it’s a 1.6, as long as there are iso improvements over the 50d, it will be great for sports.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:51 am
The extra processor may have more to do with the video function. A lot of power is needed to read the data from the sensor; otherwise, you get jello-like skew.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:12 am
well, there was a comment that this might be the fastest DLSR made .. which would tend to indicate that it’s > 10 fps ..
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theskunk Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
well the mechanical bits need to move fast too (but some think this might get around this for the mirror at least).
second adding another chip usualyl doesn’t double the output rate, sometimes it gets close, but for canon cameras they usually get about 50% out of the secnd chip so try 6.3 * 1.5
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August 27th, 2009 at 10:37 am
those lenses look like nice ranges!
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August 27th, 2009 at 10:39 am
But will the 7D have a direct print button?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:46 am
No direct print button, it has a mic for voice activated print commands. “7d print now”, then the camera says okay, but u don’t have the right drivers for the printer, then says go to hell.
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
You’d make a fortune as a stand up comedian. I’ve never come across such originality.
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August 27th, 2009 at 10:54 am
if cam is indeed for wildlife- and sportshooters it really should be at least 1.3x crop. otherwise canon can continue the xxd-series as it was
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Agreed.
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August 27th, 2009 at 11:01 am
If this is priced around $1900. I’d be looking at Sony’s New A850 FF which is just a $100 more.
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August 27th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Does anybody know what the 7D will actually cost?
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August 27th, 2009 at 11:17 am
a L Lens for “the new Hybrid System” ?
What does it mean ? micro APS-C format from Canon ?
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Chris Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:19 am
zyx: Hybrid is referring to the new IS system, not a camera system…
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August 27th, 2009 at 11:17 am
If this is priced around $1300. I’m interested. :)
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gabe Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:20 am
HAHA go back to sleep and continue dreaming, what do you think? you get for +200 bucks pro af, double fps, better signal/noise ratio, better dynamic range, full HD video, flash master???
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Mark Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Lol….that camera exists already. It is Nikon D300s
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
exactly!
the 7D needs to beat or at least fully match the D300s – otherwise I’ll switch.
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Chris Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Yeah, it is is priced around $1,300 I think I’m doing the happy dance.
I’d like to know what the thing is actually going to cost. Part of me says they are going to price it $100 above the d300s and list it at $1899. BUT, I would like it to be lower than this. A CR3 out there, could you please stand up haha.
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frankchn Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
But if it is US$1899, then it gets awfully close to the US$1999 pricing of the A850 (and the Canon 5D Mark II now seems a bit overpriced).
I know I know they are 2 different cameras for 2 different market segments, but still.
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August 27th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Say it ain’t so.
If it’s the same tired APS-C 15Mpixel sensor super processed once again to remove hide more noise, I’m leaving!
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max Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
thanks for coming
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August 27th, 2009 at 11:48 am
CR3!
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August 27th, 2009 at 11:59 am
if the 7D is priced at around $1.8k I would care less of the pro AF and added features since it aps-c. IF by some freak miracle it would turn out as an aps-h, i would seriously consider the body. :)
If not I’ll save up for a 5D instead.
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max Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
5D is 50% more than 1800… yo could almost get a kit with 24-105 for the same price as the 5D II body…
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Hmm. So Canon would actually be getting more money from you.
Seems like it was a good idea to put a 1.6x sensor in the 7D after all.
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August 27th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
If apc-s, why bother dual DIGIC IV, 50d+video+DIGIC V will do the trick. We all know that that 15mp sensor is not going anywhere.
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August 27th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Dammm, with the sub 2k FF announcement from Sony, Canon is screwed again only this time from SONY. Whoever gets there first with affordable FF for the mass market will reap huge. Canon missed the boat completely on this. It looks like Sony for now.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
..and they will screw again when Nikon announce D700x
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Mark Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Canon is pretty aware of these things but they know they have a very strong lens line up than competition.
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senm Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Sure, that’s why I am hanging on to my beloved canon L’s and primes. But at some point, I am looking to replace my trusty 40D for a nice FF to get back to my film days (EOS 3, Elan IIe etc.). I guess I could buy a 5DII. But with all my money went to some nice canon lenses, I can’t afford it right now. That is why I am looking to grab any kinda of affordabale (<2k) FF from canon. Looks like I am in for a long wait!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
strong lens line up but sucks at quality.
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Mark Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
May be….but any other options ? To me, 24-105 f/4, 70-200 f/4 IS and 85mm 1.8 are the lenses making me to stick to canon
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John Swan Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 5:48 am
70-200 f/4? Don’t you mean 70-200 f/2.8?
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Fireice Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Yeah this announcement from Sony will really attract a lot of people to their camp. If only Sony units are not hard to find and the accessories plentiful in my country I would have gone Sony.
With the A850 rumors way back, I was hoping Canon would release at least a new 1.3x body.
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ZT Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I doubt a 2K FF body from Sony comes as a surprise for anyone, including Canon. If roumor is true, then why Canon will be releasing a 1.6 crop for around the same price (or even more) might be a mystery to many. When a Joe goes to the big store he will get an advice from the sales guy – here is a FF body for less than 2K and here is a 1.6 crop from Canon which is about the same pricewise (lets hope BB info about price was not true). A lot of first time dslr buyers will be going after FF for less money. So….. as I said before Canon has a plan its just nobody can figure it out… I can only hope that Canon can.
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Joe Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
I think most first time SLR buyers won’t necessarily give a rat’s ass about FF vs crop.
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Nogginthenog Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Absolutely Joe.
It will be more like ‘heres a camera with 3fps and low end autofocus’ , and ‘here is a camera with high end autofocus and high frame rate for sports shooting’.
Guess which one mr Jones will pick to shoot little league soccer?
Full Frame/Crop is irrelevant to most peoples use, including a lot of the people posting on here.
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ZT Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
FF/Crop issue is irrelevant??????? How many comments have you actually read on this site?
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Nogginthenog Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Too many.
From people who dont actually take photographs judging buy most of them.
FF doesnt make your photographs better, it isnt a panacea of photography.
Its simply , due to shallower DOF gives a different effect.
Larger photosites can lead to better noise characteristics, but that isnt down to full frame, merely pizel density.
Sometimes, higher pixel density of a crop camera is more useful (field sports, wildlife to name two).
In short, for most people , it IS irrelevant hwat size the sensor is.
And for some, getting a full frame camera will be a dissapointment.
Berause apart from more misfocus when they didnt anticipate how shallow F2.8 dof actuallly is at 20 feet, their images wont change much.
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senm Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Man, have you ever used film SLR’s in the good old days?
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Nogginthenog Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I used a Film camera last weekend, as I do most weekends, an EOS 3.
Thanks for asking.
I also use a 5D and a 40D.
Each has its uses, one is not better than another, they are just suited to different styles of photography.
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ZT Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Frankly, I’d rather let the people decide for themselves regarding what is it they really want or need or should buy. I simply can’t understand how you can disregard all the debate about an affordable FF which is going on right now. Bottom line is – some brands offer it while others don’t. Disregarding all alternatives from other brands we have these days, as well as several years of tech development and spending money on a two generations old body (still good, no doubt) like Joe suggests – that might not be a valid alternative for many on this board.
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Nogginthenog Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
No one offers an affordable full frame camera.
Unless you count a used 5D. the ONLY one that been around long enough to get below $1000 used.
The Sony isnt cheap. It appears cheap.
Buy the new 850 , and a bag full of suitable glass.
Do the same with the 5DII.
The sony will cost more, have less functionality, and poor noise control above iso 800.
It does have better DR than the 5DII, and below iso 800 its IQ is comparable.
But as a system, which is what you must look at if you want to , you know, make some images and not just banter about cameras, it is not cheaper.
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ZT Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
I’m not advocating to buy a Sony system, but Sony as a system had its buyers in the past and now their number will increase because of such an “obvious” advantage like affordable FF. All I’m saying is that Sony at least is moving into a right direction offering alternatives for various segments of todays market. Also, I know a bunch of folks who spent a fair amount of cash on a dslr kit and never bothered with buying “a bag of suitable glass”.
I do have a bag of Canon glass and i do know what is involved when you are building a system rather than simply getting a dslr kit. Canon could make a lot of people happy by releasing a new FF dslr in a 2K price range. And I will again let these folks to decide whether they really need it.
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Mark Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Canon’s marketing dept. knows that switching systems is a hard decision for Pro. Instead the Pros wouldn’t mind spending more to stay with the system they are used to.
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ZT Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
First time dslr buyers with a bit of cash will care about FF. $600-$700 price range will not. Not everyone who comes into a dslr world has a budget of a student. As simple as that.
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senm Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
What about the xxxD, xxD crowd looking to step up to FF photography?. what choice do I have now other than to burn 2.7K on hard to get 5DII?
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Joe Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Buy a used 5D – still a fantastic camera.
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Glass Man Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
I’m appreciating mine more every day.
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August 27th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
What’s the info on the new lenses? Are these EF-S or EF lenses? I hope they’re EF lenses so that I could forget the entire EF-S Lineup. :)
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Mikey Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
My guess is EF-S. 15-85mm IS will be the kit lens with the 7D.
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Bob Howland Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
The Best Buy database says 28-135, which is just all wrong for a high end 1.6x crop camera.
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August 27th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
I don’t understand the Love for the a900/a850??
I swapped cameras for a half of college basketball.(my 5d2 for an a900) I also used a 50d
My thoughts:
The Sony is in NO way a Sports Camera!!
The ISO 800 is worse than the 50d’s 1600–and worse than the 5d2’s 3200!!(Absolutely NO way to get a high enough SS for indoor sports)
The autofocus is equal or worse than the 5d2
The 5d2 has the Best Video out right now, and the 7d should improve on it. The a850 has NONE
“3 FPS” isn’t this what the $400 XSI has?
Sony’s fast primes can’t touch Canon’s
* Will all that said, this camera is ONLY for Studio work. At ISO 200-400, the results were excellent with Nice colors.
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August 27th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
im glad its just 1.6, imagine you really bad amateur photographers out there wasting FF sensor on photographs of plants w/ shallow depth of field. you know who are, stop making those images, they SUCK!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Don’t listen to Pete. Your plant pictures are very pretty.
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Peter Hauri Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
@pete: when I started with amateur photography some 25 years ago, every DSLR was FF. So what?
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Peter Hauri Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
I meant SLR of course. So what really happens today somehow really sucks, do not tell me, one could not produce affordable FF-DSLR’s as it was back then with film. There was cheaper and more expensive gear on display. But all FF and everyone came to choose according to one’s economy.
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August 27th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
18-135 3.5-5.6 IS
15-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
CANON COPY NIKON WHY?
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August 27th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Guys, check this out
http://www.upcdatabase.com/item.asp?upc=0013803086706
it is said to have the spec as below
-12mp
-5fps,Up to 21 RAW files
-dust removing system
-15-point TTL CMOS sensor
-Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
-96% frame coverage
-Magnification: 0.71x
-3.0 ” 640×480 TFT LCD (920,000 pixels)
-ISO 50-3200 extended to 12800 and 25600
-DIGIC III, 14-bit
-Canon EF lens mount (not EF-S)
-Live View Mode
-The Body Is Much Identical to 5D, Could Share The Handgrip
-Surprisingly cheap, US: $ 1,899
Totally different rumor, isn’t it?
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ZT Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
DIGIC III???
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
This would be boring…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
“Bayonet Ring Kit For The PowerShot G9″ ???
Specs are nonsense.
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August 27th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
18-135 3.5-5.6 IS
15-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
Are those EF-S?
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Blake Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I was wondering the same – they’d have to, right? 15mm is insanely wide on full frame
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kubelik Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
haha 15-85 EF would be insaaane, from super-wide to portrait. people might get killed for this
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David Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Yeah totally! Probably EF-S given the 7D is APS-C it makes sense to announce some new EF-S glass. But I want the EF version, lol.
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TheBJJ Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
I Don’t know, The 18-135 would fill a whole that the 28-135 kit lens left. It just wasn’t wide enough. However, I would think that the 15-85 would be really expensive to produce full frame. Maybe it’s one of each?
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August 27th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
[...] I hope this rumor is correct. According to CanonRumors the much anticipated Canon EOS 7D will have a built in flash master!! This new addition would allow [...]
August 27th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
i would trust the specs from canonrumors. its a CR3 they are pretty accurate. YESSS no FF!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Full frame makes buying lenses worth it, if you want to get more umph from your lens get more megapixels, go into photoshop and crop the image, it will be the same effect as using an aps-c sensor. There you go “zoom”
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August 27th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Oh, a $1300 price tag would be nice but I think you’ll need to add another $1500 to that. As for the possibility of a flash master I think that would be awesome! The inability of Canon to keep up with Nikon on flash technology has, on several occasions, made me seriously consider selling my gear and switching sides.
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pete Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
please switch to nikon CODY! your negativity is not welcome here.
please do not post here on CR, or change your handle, your name makes me wanna puke.
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regular Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
pete, please calm down. Do you feel insecure or something?
You should go out, meet some friends, … or watch a Bollywood movie :)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Those bollywood movies are great! A confusing, arbitrary song & dance can cheer anyone up.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
I Love pete’s comment. 555
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
LOL, funny comment re the name.
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Bored Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
This is like 4chan.org, but for camera nerds…
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August 27th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
It’s a “Backlit” sensor!!!!!!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
It’s not a “Backlit” sensor!!!!!!
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:07 am
You both can’t be right.
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Me, and only me Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:30 am
But at the same time, they can’t both be wrong.
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August 27th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Sounds like a nice apc cam. Wont be buyin one since i hate 1.6 crop. A 1.3 would have been tempting as a second cam.
Sounds pretty sweet anywayPr
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John Swan Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
What if it has the fastest fps ever seen in an SLR?
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Nick Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
I am a food and architecture photographer that does wedding/action only as the occasional side job. Speed is almost completely irrelevant for me. 5d2 fits my needs very well.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:08 am
5d2 useless for anybody serious about action/sport photography, even if it’s as a side job.
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August 27th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
FF, 1.3 crop, 1.6 crop What ever. Finally It’s the image quality that count. Better dynamic range and better ISO make my picture look good in some situation. I’m waiting reviews to decide. As an upgrade for my 40D it sound very interesting
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August 27th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
@ CR Guy
By the way: If it becomes true … great job! thx.
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August 27th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
There is no way a camera with a name like 7D is going to be cropped sensor.
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Spam Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
1D Mk III already have a cropped sensor, why shouldn’t 7D?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
ROFL
1D?
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Paul Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Yes… 1D = 1.3 sensor
1Ds = FF
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:09 am
Idiot.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
I still have a minolta 7D with a 1.5x crop, does that count?.
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August 27th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
I can’t wait to get the 7D with improved AF. 1.6 crop is what I prefer but as long as the pixel density and IQ exceed that of my 40D, I don’t care if it is APS-C or APS-H. In my view, FF is overrated.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
+1
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Sander Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
-1
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Joe Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
+2=+1
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August 27th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
18-135 3.5-5.6 IS
15-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
Both should be EF-S. It is difficult enough to make a 18 or 15mm single focal length lens for full frame. Making a 5x or 7x zoom that goes down to 15mm 0r 18 mm for full frame is “Mission Impossible”
look like the ASP-S is going to be around for a while. just hope that Canon will keep the pixel count not higher than 10 mP.
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efs guy Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:33 am
18-135 will be ring USM
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August 27th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
maybe the camera will have 2 sensors x1.6 & 1.3, dual sensor, dual processor.. this is the camera with which canon will erase nikon
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Adam Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
fanboyism much?
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Spam Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
No, it’s ignorance
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Mark Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Erase Nikon ? Lol, i guess you don’t realise that canon is chasing nikon.
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somebodyelse Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
In fact….that will be a Shift-Delete nikon :))
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Me, and only me Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:58 am
Whereas Nikon’s chasing Canon when it comes to direct print buttons.
Oh, hang on a minute, no they’re not.
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August 27th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Personally, I think it’s iso performance that will make or break this camera. What would be the point to upgrade from a 50d if if the pic quality stays the same? I guess you would simply be paying a premium for video and a little more speed.
I agree, it will be a 1.6. If it was FF it would eclipse the 5dii and not make much sence. Simply, it is not a cheaper FF, not with the other specs.
This will be a great addition for anyone who has ef-s glass and likes to shoot sports/wildlife. Having that much speed does not make a lot of sense on a FF in my opinion. Power to canon for filling a price gap and giving another tool for the “pro-sumer” crowd.
Esentially if you want a cheaper FF take the 5d ii and start pulling features off of it. Then do u really wan it when it’s $1999??
Cheaper FF 5d.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:05 am
the rumor says the new camera will have about same pixel density as 5d2, this means that it’ll be ~8 megapixels if it is a 1.6x OR ~12.8 MP if it is a 1.3x. forget about your EF-S glass for a second and ask yourself, would it make sense for canon to go back to 8MP in a new line that is supposed to be higher than any existing 1.6x?! even the 1000D/xs has 10MP!
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August 27th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
F#¤%”#R/&%…
I feel I’ve been waiting for 1D mkIV for ages. Now it looks like I’m going to wait 6 more months. :(
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August 27th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Seriously? That’s a BIG price gap to leave open for another 6 months: I can afford $1399, I can’t afford $1999
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:10 am
Save harder.
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August 27th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Hmm, it all fits together now:
http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/10/canon-eos-1di/
18fps (not MP) and 8MP (not fps) for 144 million reasons to want one. With this technology, it would justify the price. Also, 8MP is about 4 pixels per 1 1080HD pixel.
Summary of what it says:
-8.2 MP
-22 fps
-APS-C
-electronic mirror
-to turn it on/off near immediately
-have standard AF and liveview
-have standard AF and video!
-45 AF points including 19 high-precision cross-type points and 26 Assist AF points
-low-light sensitivity of the new AF sensor has been doubled to EV-1
-amazing ISO range of 50 to 6400 with extensions to ISO 25 and a highly usable ISO 12800
-MSRP of $2999 for the end of last year
I want this camera! Is this the 7D? (Fingers crossed, now the next 5 days are going to seem even longer.)
Thanks to the rrcphoto on the dpreview forums for the re-find.
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Rob Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
The specs will likely have changed a little bit, because it’s now a year later.
-Pixel density is similar to 5DII (not resolution)
-Maybe the $2700 BB price wasn’t far off
-The price went down because it’s a year later
-Dual Digic IV
-I suspect they couldn’t quite get 22 fps with just these, so that’s why it’s down to ‘only’ 18.
I think all of this adds together pretty well. They’re the missing pieces of the puzzle.
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Rob Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Also
-16-bit RAW
-shutters speeds up to 1/128,000
-no limits on x-sync
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Yes, on the 16-bit RAW, do you know how little light you would get at that shutter speed? and why would you want that fast of speed? and that is just silly on the x-sync
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August 27th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
What a big disappointment….
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August 27th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Makes me wonder if we’d truly see the Fasted DSLR yet with the 7D. In theory it makes sense that they could push dual Digic IV’s to 180mp/s, which = 15mp sensor @ 12 fps. It seems likely that they would have improved the 15mp sensor in the 50d and T1i, and then added some useful features, and some not so useful features. I just hope the price is under $2k. The suspense is killing me!! I think I just need to avoid the internet for a week (as if that where possible!!).
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August 27th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Hopefully Canon is offering a camera that will compete against both the Nikon D300 and D700. So, priced a little over $2000 to account for a full frame premium (which is not a big deal any more), around the same res as the 5D for big, fast, low-noise pixels, an improved autofocus system, and with max frame rate of 8 – 10 fps, which should be lower than an upcoming 1dIV. Video is a de facto feature now on all cameras, so not really a feature. I think that the MP count will be from 12 to 14 MP so canon can differentiate performance vs. ultimate image size so the camera does not compete with the 5DII.
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Mark Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
canon may give you “improved” AF and “improved” weatherseals, but not a substitute for D300, which means bringing 1D AF and weatherseals to xxD which is not gonna happen in canon world.
Canon’s expectation is for an user to move from entry level to semipro to Pro and their marketing will force that on you by limiting usefull features and giving stuffs like gps, wireless whatever whatever
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Phil Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Ha, you’re using a marketing filter while I was using a common sense filter. Is that why my world appears to be upside down?
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August 27th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
MOOOOARRRRRRR…… oh wait.
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August 27th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
OK, I’ve got it figured out. Canon is reincarnating the 1DMkII. Assuming that the 7D pixel pitch is the same as the 5DMkII, then an 1.6X crop sensor gives 8.2MP, same as the 1DMkII. Presumably, the focusing will be at least as good in the 7D as in the 1DMkII. Improvements in sensor technology should give comparable per-pixel noise and DR results, even with the smaller pixels. And there will be even more crop for those people who like that sort of thing, including me…sometimes. Instead of the 400 f/2.8 being the nice 500-520mm lens that it is with a 1DMkII/III, it will be an even nicer 640mm lens with a 7D. We can all start using our lighter 300 f/2.8 lenses instead.
But I still would have preferred the Lord of Darkness camera being introduced now and the reincarnated 1DMkII being introduced next spring.
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J-Man Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
First argument that makes sense of these specs.
But will anyone buy an 8.2Mp camera??
I don’t think so, not much room to crop.
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Rocky Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
I do not mind to have a DLSR with excellent picture quality but with only 8MP sensor. Remember the “good old days” of shooting Kodakchrome slides? You just compose the picture carefully. You canon crop it. Nowadays, with the “excellent” L zoom lens, you can compose the picture a lot easier than using fixed focal length lens.
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Bob Howland Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Unfortunately, the 7D seems intended as a sports camera. Careful composition is not always possible when shooting sports. Football players tend to change direction suddenly and run out of the frame, motocross riders jump a little too high and get the tops of their heads cut off and the roller derby queen picks exactly the wrong moment to bounce her opponent into the suicide seats. The trend in sports photography increasingly is to frame loosely and let the art director crop. 8.2MP may not be enough pixels, no matter how good the image is. (And given the quality of 5DMkII images, the 7D images would likely be very good indeed.) Unfortunately, it looks as if Canon will be giving us an unbalanced monstrosity: 8.2MP@12+FPS when 10MP@10FPS or 12MP@8FPS would be much better. If they do, I’ll be holding on to my 40D.
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spam Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:28 am
I don’t get this, the sources are saying 18MP, 1.6 crop. Why talk about an 8MP camera?
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Bob Howland Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:42 am
Because some sources are saying approximately the same pixel density as the 5DMkII.
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August 27th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
I wonder why everyone takes Best Buy price quote at face value – they always add crazy markup to photo equipment. If Best Buy sells something for $2,700, chances are you can find it at B&H for about $2,000.
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August 27th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
It has begun…
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fotoray Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
what?
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Jorge Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
The direct print button revolution
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August 27th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Hey, the selling point may be the noise, who knows, the iso at 6400 might look like 1200 on previous models, that would be a big seller, size and speed might just be a plus.
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Mike Dean Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Speed and size are NEVER just a plus…..lol, it’s the ONLY thing that matters!! Oh, you’re talking about a camera… , then I agree with the low noise performance too.
Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
It’s the motion of the ocean… I mean shutter ;) haha
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August 27th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
If y’all will look back at our good ol’ friend the 10D it had a 1.8mp/cm2 density which happens to be better than the 5D mark II and look how much better the 5D mark II is to the 10D. Pixels per square centemeter does matter, but technology has changed alot. Who knows how good the next sensors will be.
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August 27th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
[...] the post from Canon Rumors to whet the appetite. The source of the post is rated a CR3 which means it’s pretty [...]
August 27th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
crop sensor suck big times! thats the fact, please accept it.
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August 27th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
553 posts and counting
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August 27th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Im wondering how the 7D with a 100mm HIS would do against the D300s with 100mm VR.
Every time I think about the 7D with an APS-C sensor it sounds better and better.
15mp would be very appealing.
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HighBreed Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:02 am
105mm vr. its late.
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August 27th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Canon XD
$X,X99.95 msrp
XX.X megapixels APS-X CMOS Sensor
14-Bit A/D conversion
Sensor Self Cleaning System
ISO Range of 100-6400 (expandable to ISO L: 50, H1: 12800 and H2: 25600)
1X FPS JPEG (Large/Fine): approx. XXX (UDMA CF)
Full 1080p and 720p Video at 30 and 24 FPS in MOV File
Magnesium Body (XXD body modified)
Weather Sealed Body
X00,000 Rated Test Shutter Life
Dual “DIGIC IV” Image Processors
Autofocus System 19 cross-type AF points (plus 26 Assist AF points)
35-zone TTL full-aperture metering
Dual Memory Card Slots 1 Compact Flash UDMA, 1 SD and SDHC Compatible
98% View Finder Coverage
3.0-inch Clear View LCD 960,000 VGA Monitor
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HighBreed Reply:
August 27th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Looks very nice.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:51 am
Sounds good to me
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Grummbeerbauer Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:38 am
Indeed, if only all of those “X” were filled with “1″, I would be happy as a clam. ;)
But my guess is more like
$2599
15.1 MP
12fps
100,000 shutter life
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August 27th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
WOW 559 comments!
No more comments, just wait for the launch.
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dannyROD Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:35 am
haha no kidding, this has gotta be a record
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August 27th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
14.4 megapixels APS-C CMOS Sensor
14-Bit A/D conversion
Sensor Self Cleaning System
ISO Range of 100-6400 (expandable to ISO L: 50, H1: 12800 and H2: 25600)
10 FPS JPEG (Large/Fine)
Full 1080p and 720p Video at 30 and 24 FPS in MOV File
Magnesium Body (50D body modified)
Weather Sealed Body
300,000 Rated Test Shutter Life
Dual “DIGIC IV” Image Processors
Autofocus System 19 cross-type AF points (plus 26 Assist AF points)
35-zone TTL full-aperture metering
Dual Memory Card Slots 1 Compact Flash UDMA, 1 SD and SDHC Compatible
98% View Finder Coverage
3.0-inch Clear View LCD 960,000 VGA Monitor
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August 28th, 2009 at 12:16 am
everyone is waiting.
woot woot
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August 28th, 2009 at 12:21 am
2/3rds of the L series lenses are back-ordered/out of stock at B+H, where did all the good glass go?
This question about FF vs Crop and the two camps of shooters who are evangelistic would indicate there is a good market for a crop sensor with real juice. Canon and Nikon are holding on to the FF feature for a premium price. I don’t think this is the year they will give it up for $2K, that is for the new competitor to do, and Sony has.
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J-Man Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:36 am
I for one hope Sony sell a boatload of A850s,
maybe Canon and Nikon will be forced to sell $2000 FF dslr’s.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:34 am
I have been buying a lot of L glass. That may explain the shortage. It’s all I use.
“If it’s not L, it can go to hell”.
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Richard Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:07 am
You are my hero. With so much L glass, you must be a great photographer.
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August 28th, 2009 at 1:53 am
13.1 megapixels @ 11 FPS.. count on it! “144 million reasons”
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August 28th, 2009 at 2:14 am
this site will implode September one…by relief
or explode by outrage ;-))
at the end of the day we’ll know
happy weekend everyone
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Bob Howland Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:16 am
Half of us will be relieved and half will be outraged, regardless of what Canon introduces
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August 28th, 2009 at 2:21 am
[...] latest verdict is: Canon EOS 7D, 3 New Lenses and an… underwater video camera. Hit CanonRumors for the remaining details. Announcement: September [...]
August 28th, 2009 at 2:50 am
If output 2000 to be in 1600 Christm
Thanks Sony :)
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August 28th, 2009 at 2:51 am
sensor size a bit smaller than 1D mk III, but still considerably larger than APS-C, only 10-11MP but manymore FPS. weatherseal and pro-AF appeal.articulated LCD + HD movie. the direct print button would print every single frame of any given HD movie, if you accidently touched the button while reviewing that movie, with that feature canon is hoping to justify the expensive price!
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August 28th, 2009 at 2:51 am
What the response from Canon and Nikon, Sony mislead as they come down the leg
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August 28th, 2009 at 3:04 am
im waiting for the new macro with hybrid system
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August 28th, 2009 at 3:09 am
So I feel with the launch of the A850
Festive air,
boys and girls,
radiant with happiness …
Aire de fiesta
running time
for pa pa
With joy,
arm in arm,
with an air of great friendship …
All in chorus,
singing loudly,
for pa pa
We decided to spend this day,
with great joy and good humor.
People smile when they see that we,
and shouted:
Viva la vida y arriba el amor!
Festive air,
boys and girls,
radiant with happiness …
Aire de fiesta
running time
for pa pa
We decided to spend this day,
with great joy and good humor.
People smile when they see that we
and shouted:
Viva la vida y arriba el amor!
Festive air,
boys and girls,
radiant with happiness …
Festive air,
running time,
for pa pa
for pa pa pa pa pa pa
for pa pa pa pa pa pa
for pa pa pa pa
La la la la la
la la la la la la
la la la la la la la
La la la la la la
la la la la la
la la la
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:35 am
Don’t ever post such codswallop on here again.
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August 28th, 2009 at 4:17 am
it is going down to the drain if its not a FF camera this time
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August 28th, 2009 at 4:46 am
People seem to be concerned that if the expected new 7D is indeed APS-C, then Canon will have nothing to compete with the new Sony a850. Surely if they feel that they are losing sales, Canon will simply cut the price of the 5D Mkii. The two cameras have very similar specifications, except for the 5D Mkii having video recording. This must be a cheaper option than developing a whole new camera.
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August 28th, 2009 at 5:29 am
and pissing off 1000s of 5D2 owners
almost 600 posts
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:29 am
Need moar spyshots
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:32 am
I have a feeling i’m going to be very happy with what Canon will release. Unfortunately for them, i just bought a new car today and a lot of my money is gone. So the price better be pretty good.
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Snow White Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:03 am
You’ll have to change your name then won’t you?…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Nope, it’s my wife’s car. I wanted something faster………
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Zero credit news. Only the name 7d is right… forget all the rest, trust me.
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Me, and only me Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Oh, OK, you sound honest so we’ll trust you. CR?
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August 28th, 2009 at 7:39 am
No news/rumours regarding the number of megapixels?
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:04 am
CR3:
The two new ES-S lenses leak out…
From northlight-image
At the original site there is the full press release info
EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM Availability: mid-October
EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Availability: end of September
And usable on the 7D !!!!! meaning a 1.6 crop
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:23 am
in the rumor these 2 lenses were cr2, now there’s pictures of them so it’s “official”
but the rumor said too that an L lens, a non L and a third (a bit of a mystery) one were coming, with a cr3 rating on it.
what i ask myself now is how accurate the rest of this cr3 sources information may be, especially the 7d specs mentioned above!
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:34 am
please make 7D a fullframe camera, crop sensor is meaningless
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:39 am
What the hell are you talking about?
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:45 am
18MP…19AF Points.. 8 fps
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=newproduct&page=1&sn1=&sid1=&divpage=6&sn=off&sid=off&ss=on&sc=off&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=32110
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Joe Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Can anyone translate this?
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Dream Spec... Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:04 am
It’s a recipe for boiled dog…
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Joe Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Haw Haw
Cultural stereotypes are so clever.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
If you’re being sarcastic, those extra w’s don’t help your case…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Arf!
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:51 am
8.0MP…24fps
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:09 am
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:19 am
So this won’t be the world’s fastest DSLR?
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Bob Howland Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:36 am
What is an “ELECTRICAL LEVER”?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Sorry I mean “eletrical gradienter”
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August 29th, 2009 at 3:45 am
It could be FF but then it should have ‘APS-C mode’(like Nikon D3) to mount EF-S lenses. It think it’s not impossible.
I think one of the pictures on the leaked 7D poster can refer to this function. (2 line 2 picture)
http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/mobile01-a5dec84018ed024d52c8d6a1a3361c93.jpg
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