neuroanatomist said:

Perhaps. That was an R8 with DxO PhotoLab v9.

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But you've chosen a corner with pretty much no detail. Can you show a bottom one? Assuming it's not too dark and some detail is indeed visible

Does anyone have any update on first shipment. Feb 24th was the rumored ship date that BH and others suggested, now it is TBD?

EOSR7MkII said:

You have a point. Don't you reckon they refresh the 30mm f/1.4 first, since it released 2 years earlier than the 56 f/1.4? I have been eyeing that 56mm prime for a while as a cheap APS-C portrait lens with decent bokeh, but now I am unsure whether to get it or wait for a much improved MkII. My hope is that it releases before June...

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There's also the Yongnuo 56mm 1.4 now, $202. Or better yet their FF 85mm prime which is still only like $330.

As the site is kinda hard to find: https://th.hkyongnuo.com/collections/lens?&Narrow=4_1|d74e9530ec2575d0c9b5a0939e0fae95

neuroanatomist said:

Oh, I absolutely agree! In fact, here's one of those discerning elites (or obtuse plebeian, take your pick):

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...none other than 15 year old me on Christmas morning, holding my first SLR fresh from the box – a Pentax A3000.

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I’ve never defected!

Here’s me in 1973 with my first SLR – Canon FTb.



Currently, my hair is considerably shorter on the sides and almost nonexistent on top. Paisley (shirt) prints must have gone in and out of style five times since then.

DocInfoSci said:

Hmm. Does look clean. Maybe it would matter on the generation of camera or software doing the adjustment?

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Perhaps. That was an R8 with DxO PhotoLab v9.

I have certainly introduced artifacts into my work playing around with Photoshop and Affinity Photo. But as mentioned above I have not reproduced this issue with my stable and DLO. I have to assume zardoz reports a real experience. @zardoz, can you elaborate on the scenario?

Hmm. Does look clean. Maybe it would matter on the generation of camera or software doing the adjustment?

Del Paso said:

Unlike all these Canons, Sonies and Nikons, Pentaxes are boutique cameras for the discerning elite!

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Oh, I absolutely agree! In fact, here's one of those discerning elites (or obtuse plebeian, take your pick):



...none other than 15 year old me on Christmas morning, holding my first SLR fresh from the box – a Pentax A3000.

justaCanonuser said:

I am really surprised that so many DSLRs still are sold - I thought that I am a quite late adopter of ML cameras. Checking Amazon shows that many of the entry APS-C models, the 250D, 1100D and 2000D alikes, are still in stock, also new FF models, the 6D II and 5D IV. I couldn't find any news that Canon discontinued production of these FF lmodels, other than the 1D-X III which is discontinued. Obviously, it still makes economical sense to keep these DSLRs in production for a while...

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The price of low end DLSRs are still a defining factor vs mirrorless. Examples of where this is important:

- Developing countries where COGS/revenue for photography businesses is low. I did rough calculation of wedding photographers in the past covering China/India and Indonesia equating to ~40% of global population with (back of the envelope) calculation of middle class Gross National Income between USD1k-14k/yr. Choosing middle class as low income is less likely to afford a photographer and high income will pay handsomely anyway.
Having a DLSR is a key "professional" selling point vs a phone camera.

- Specific photography sectors to maximise profit eg cruise ships and school photos.

Of course, there are others anywhere in the world where people want a step up from cameras, buy the cheapest "proper" camera and realise that their phone is better and leave them on the shelf.

5Div/1DXii are for replacements for the rusted-on optical viewfinder/long battery life users. Film cameras are still being sold.....

justaCanonuser said:

Pentax always was - and is - special

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Unlike all these Canons, Sonies and Nikons, Pentaxes are boutique cameras for the discerning elite!

P-visie said:

You forgot Pentax . Pentax sold 10.000 dslr’s in 2024, which is 2/3s of the number of dslr’s that Canon sold in a week .

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Pentax always was - and is - special

neuroanatomist said:

CIPA says there were 690,000 DSLRs shipped in 2025. In 2024, about 92% of DLSRs were sold by Canon (790,000 vs. Nikon’s 70,000).

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I am really surprised that so many DSLRs still are sold - I thought that I am a quite late adopter of ML cameras. Checking Amazon shows that many of the entry APS-C models, the 250D, 1100D and 2000D alikes, are still in stock, also new FF models, the 6D II and 5D IV. I couldn't find any news that Canon discontinued production of these FF lmodels, other than the 1D-X III which is discontinued. Obviously, it still makes economical sense to keep these DSLRs in production for a while...

eero said:

Amen to this. Not going to buy any camera with the photo/video on the left. Toys like that are for those with short lenses. We, the ones with more length, demand better designs.

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That dial has not impacted my shooting whatsoever. YMMV

DocInfoSci said:

I wonder if anyone else where can't unsee it if they start looking?

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Before I could consider unseeing it, I'd have to see it in the first place. Here's an image with the RF 20/1.4L VCM shot at f/1.4, 1/200 s, ISO 16000. Seems to meet the criteria of high ISO in a dark situation.



Here's the uncropped, original image pushed two stops (so an effective ISO 64000), there is a bit of residual vignetting:


Here's the upper left corner of that pushed, uncropped image:


So, ISO 16000 pushed to ISO 64,000 plus probably >2 stops more pushing in the corners so that's something north of ISO 256,000. Where are these 'artifacts that look like a lattice, moire and so on' that are caused by ‘squeezing in and stretching out the noise‘ that I am supposed to see and that are supposed to render my images unusable?

chrysoberyl said:

Where should I look, if I want to know the size is the image circle?

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For Canon lenses, that information is found in the patent for the lens (when it is possible to associate a released lens with its patent, and that is not always possible).

AlanF said:

European Goldfinch feeding on teasel (R5ii RF 200-800mm).

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That's a lovely photo!

Where should I look, if I want to know the size is the image circle?

Where should I look, if I want to know the size is the image circle?

Zadak said:

I am tired of APS-C lenses from third parties... when is it time for FF?

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Never coming. Canon has always hated 3rd parties, which is why they have worked hard to block them from RF. If you want 3rd party glass, RF is the wrong mount to be using.

Lovely shot, Alan.

I just think it's awesome that the R6 mark III was shown for this thread. I mean, we all know it's the very best camera and the other cameras, like the R1, are just hanging out for the sparkle to rub off on them.

But sheesh that's a lot of DSLRs still selling. Is it because commercial photographers are keeping a like-stock handy (less training) or because some people just like DSLRs? In Canada the price really hasn't budged, unlike EF lenses where discounts can be found every few months due to "overstock".

I'm mixed in my opinion about the state of lens craft, but I think that the R series cameras are the best of the full frame options out there these past few years.

European Goldfinch feeding on teasel (R5ii RF 200-800mm).

zardoz said:

It's not just the software stretch and loss of resolution, but the way this interacts with the noise pattern. Noise from sensor gain at high ISO should be uniform and consistent across the whole image, however once we change the geometry, we will be squeezing in and stretching out the noise, creating artifacts that look like a lattice, moire and so on. Furthermore, this conflicts with noise reduction principles that assume a consistent noise pattern across the image. This is further compounded b stronger vignetting on some of the RF lenses; I don't mind the vignetting look sometimes, but I don't often get to choose anymore due to these two features conflicting; that's around two stops on the RF 35mm f/1.4L VCM, so you've now got an image with ISO 51200 exposure in the corners of an ISO 12800 image, which in darker situations, results in near-unusable images if any corrections are made - and by my testing, the vignetting falloff occurs closer to the centre of the frame than it does on the EF variant. So whilst the t-stop is measured from the centre of the image in both cases, we ned up a lower potential average t-stop on the newer lenses (using this to account for transmission loss, which impacts low light performance at the same aperture).

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Fantastically described scenario. Agree % but I've never thought to articulate it in this way. I also often need to shoot at higher ISO when outside due to a combination of field conditions and shutter speed requirements affecting available light. My specific EF zooms and primes, for all of their shortcomings vs. newer editions, do not suffer in this regard.

I can understand how solutions like the VCM line of lenses provide a reasonable compromise for hybrid shooters, and as hybrid shooters dominate the market these days the fact that Canon would optimize a lens series accordingly is as smart as all-season tires for the auto market. (And for many hobbyists honestly they're probably a perfectly fine modern analog to the gold-ring USM value.)

But I believe that what you have put into words would affect many of us stills shooters beyond the usual snap-and-post scenarios. I wonder if anyone else where can't unsee it if they start looking?

(Aside, why isn't the emoji available in the like tool?!)

EDIT: To avoid the usual back and forth about imperfect EF lenses, I'm just saying my EF lenses, which is what I have, as applied to this scenario don't suffer in this regard. As others have mentioned, there are EF lenses that probably would suffer and some RF lenses that would not.

P-visie said:

You forgot Pentax . Pentax sold 10.000 dslr’s in 2024, which is 2/3s of the number of dslr’s that Canon sold in a week .

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I didn’t forget, I chose to omit them from consideration due to insignificance.