Canon at Salon de la Photo 2025: Insights into Market and Products

My "normal" shots are on my flickr page (see signature). You can see a few where I have used my EF8-15/4.
The youtube clips I have seen show crazy stuff with video slightly clipped top/bottom (16:9 vs 3:2) so getting used to it will be fun (and painful). Slight movements will drastically change the composition.
You can't have you fingers around the grip for handheld.
Similarly, I think that I will need to use a horizontal extension to avoid tripod feet being in frame unless shooting vertically.
Sorry for the delay, I was on a photo trip. Great images, David! I love in particular your humpback whale image, beautiful.
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

They could have not kept EF, because of different flange distance. Otherwise the mirrorless cameras would be quite bulky and ugly.
The reason Canon wanted to utilise a new mount (R) had nothing to do with the EF's mechanical layout. It was purely the fact that Canon wanted to introduce more data options between it's camera and lenses and that required a new contact harness and communication design.
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

Should I release the entire specifications for the R63? Or just wait 8 more hours. I'm actually having a moral dilemma.
Wait. “The suspense is terrible. I hope it will last.” (Oscar Wilde) Besides, nothing good can come from annoying Canon or any Canon sources you may have.

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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

The presentation of the R6iii is hours away and I´m really curious, but somehow this forum is dominated by a topic which has been discussed endlessly with "arguments" that clearly ignore the fact that camera manufacturers will only survive in the future by selling lenses, not cameras. Cameras are soooo darn good today, you don't need to upgrade every 2-4 years. Hell, I could even shoot for 15-20 years with the R5. Lenses will drives sales... Therefore, Canon is protecting its future. Is it necessary? Definitely! I want to shoot Canon in 20, 30 years (unless the RF mount is still locked :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: sry, now I´m serious again), so I'm accepting the fact that RF is a closed system. Is it nice? No, not for everybody? Does one like it? Nope. But as my mom always said: "lifes though, get used to it." and "life is not fair, deal with it".

Actually, I didn't wanna rant here... just wanted to say: lets put the old topic behind and focus on new gear 😍🥳😀
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

Maybe a rip-off to you but a Canon business strategy. One can only guess why this strategy was chosen, but in a shrinking market, Canon would still want to maximize profits. They do this by making money from both cameras AND lenses, thus leaving a limited lens market share to others.
Canon isn't the only one. A recent Petapixel headline: "Nikon Z-Mount Is Closed to Sigma, and That’s Becoming Impossible to Ignore"
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Exploring the History of Innovation: The Canon EOS 6 Series

6D2 was kind of a low point for Canon as A7III launched around the same time for the same money. The 1-2 punch of the A7R2 and A7III was when I knew the DSLRs days were numbered. OG 6D was important as it was among the first legit affordable FF bodies, but D600/610 still had a slight edge. R6 was the first time 6 series really met its potential. Im glad Canon is being aggressive with bodies again.... Id argue their current FF body lineup is the best, especially in the $2-4K price range.

Hard to believe that was about 8 years ago now. And Sony continued their hit streak with several more great cameras in this middle tier ($2k-$4k USD) until about 2022. I think the A7RV was probably the last time Sony responded with a spec "win" over Canon in the segment. Something changed around 2022 and Sony focused on the high end A1 II and A9 III cameras while letting the mid tier languish. Canon has methodically improved each of these models and I would argue, beat Sony with the R5C, R5 II, R6 II, C50, and tonight they will be announcing the R6 III. It is safe to say that Canon is sitting comfortably on top in 2025.
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Exploring the History of Innovation: The Canon EOS 6 Series

Numbering aside, I'd still argue that the R6 (I/II/III) is not the spiritual successor of the 6D (I/II).
The RP and then the R8 fit the bill more, IMHO

I was a little tempted to put the R8 in there as well, as at least with the R6 Mark II and now III it really does feel like the lineup has shifted upscale. But I think the RP and also the R8 if anyone would be the spiritual successor of the entry-level rebels in EF-S land, while the R6 would be like the "super rebel" that sat about (think 77D, etc) - i still think there's a seperation there.

Once the R6 Mark III gets here in the next couple of days, the R6 III will be in there, and I'll certainly think of adding the R8 as well, and talking more about if this is a fork in thinking from Canon - like the XXD series went on after the 50D when the line split to the 60D and the 7D.

I'll certainly give it some thought! Thanks!
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Canon EOS R6 Mark III & RF 45 F1.2 STM November 6

Panamoz never had good prices on lenses, not sure why.
Totally wrong, as I wrote, I saved at least Euro 2000 on the RF 15-35 + 100-500. Please check their website, you're in for some very good surprises, especially if you live in a European country.
Just compare to what the usual sites charge for RF Ls ...
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

Technical improvements include: autofocus down to f/22, freedom to design smaller/lighter lenses at certain focal lengths, faster lens-body communication allowing for snappier autofocus(?). But they could of course have kept EF, and being able to shut out third parties probably influenced the decision to make a new mount.

They could have not kept EF, because of different flange distance. Otherwise the mirrorless cameras would be quite bulky and ugly.
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

You assumed that third party FF AF lenses would be available for the RF mount. You made a wrong assumption and you did not evaluate alternatives should your assumption be wrong.
So who is to blame for that? (Hint: it’s not Canon).
You're right. I should never have stayed with Canon.
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

I switched from a Canon APS-C DSLR to a Canon full-frame mirrorless camera. If I had known that today the RF full-frame mount would still be blocked for other manufacturers, I would have switched to another brand. It's that simple.
You assumed that third party FF AF lenses would be available for the RF mount. You made a wrong assumption and you did not evaluate alternatives should your assumption be wrong.
So who is to blame for that? (Hint: it’s not Canon).
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

Years ago, I thinked that R mount was a technical move; now I think it was only a piece of marketing.
Canon R mount is still closed, so best move is buy a Sony camera (or other brand) and enjoy lenses from others manufacturers.
In 2025 there is no way in a thing SO CLOSED as R mount.
Technical improvements include: autofocus down to f/22, freedom to design smaller/lighter lenses at certain focal lengths, faster lens-body communication allowing for snappier autofocus(?). But they could of course have kept EF, and being able to shut out third parties probably influenced the decision to make a new mount.
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

Because locking the R mount seems like a rip-off to me.
Maybe a rip-off to you but a Canon business strategy. One can only guess why this strategy was chosen, but in a shrinking market, Canon would still want to maximize profits. They do this by making money from both cameras AND lenses, thus leaving a limited lens market share to others.
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

There are two things I am excited about: low light capability and the bump in auto focus. I'm strictly a hobbyist and I'm currently shooting a 6Dm2. Perhaps the r6m2 would be a big enough jump in both of those areas. Particularly the low light.
Image level raw low light capability hasn't changed much in a while.
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

It was true initially - that third party makers brought generally cheap, low-quality lenses to the EF mount. But Sigma brought some really nice lenses to the party a little later on, with the ART series. And their 150-600 lens was really never met head-on by Canon. Nikon has/had something of that range and price, but Canon didn't counter it, basically ceding the lower-cost birding market to Sigma (and Tamron). Now, we DO have reasonably-priced super-telephoto zooms like the 200-800 (which I have sitting about 20 feet from me, having just bought one).

I think Canon actually invited Sigma and others to play with at least the APS-C lenses, which is maybe why Canon has not really brought out much in that format other than very cheap, light "kit" type lenses. Although the 18-150 is pretty good optically, for such a wide-ranging zoom, they have no f/2.8 glass and no 15 or 16-xx lenses that would mimic the full frame 24-xx "normal" lenses.
Canon has left the APS-C RF market to other manufacturers because it's clearly not in their interest.
But that makes it clear that if those other manufacturers aren't releasing full-frame RF lenses, it's because Canon is blocking them.

I switched from a Canon APS-C DSLR to a Canon full-frame mirrorless camera. If I had known that today the RF full-frame mount would still be blocked for other manufacturers, I would have switched to another brand. It's that simple.
In fact, if it weren't for the expense I've made on the Canon equipment, I would switch brands right now. Because locking the R mount seems like a rip-off to me.
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

EF mount was never open, it was reverse engineered by the likes of Sigma and Tamron. It's a much simpler protocol than RF.
And back then the third party manufacturers only made low quality and cheap lenses that often could not focus properly. So they were not really a threat for Canon. Today Sigma and Tamron make amazing quality lenses and Chinese manufacturers getting better and better.

I think Sony might be in the situation soon to be able to sell only camera bodies and professional Sony lenses to people will lots of $$$. Everyone else will just use Sigma, Tamron or Chinese lenses.
Excuse me, but if Tamron or Sigma produce RF lenses for APS-C, they're capable of doing the same for full-frame RF.
So, it's Canon that's blocking them.

And I don't think anyone makes better lenses than Sony. It's just that there are different needs to be met.
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