neuroanatomist said:

You're welcome. FWIW, I have made several 'street price' purchases through them. Sometimes they are from one of the big-two retailers in NYC/NJ, other times from Canadian retailers but they ship with no issues / duties / etc., and the warranty applies. Assuming you're in the US, refurbished from Canon USA is a great option as well (a very good price on the 24-70/2.8 right now, but that's not always the case (for example, the RF 200-800 is cheaper via street price than Canon USA refurbished).

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I think the focal length of the 20-50 and its constant aperture are going to be great. I owned the R50v for about 13 months and while I enjoyed it, I was a little disappointed that Canon didn't make any other PZ lenses. Had they, I might have kept it.

I'm not opposed to the R6v camera. I took a good long look at it, but ultimately decided against it since I enjoy an EVF. For gimbal work, this combo will be hard to beat.

You're welcome. FWIW, I have made several 'street price' purchases through them. Sometimes they are from one of the big-two retailers in NYC/NJ, other times from Canadian retailers but they ship with no issues / duties / etc., and the warranty applies. Assuming you're in the US, refurbished from Canon USA is a great option as well (a very good price on the 24-70/2.8 right now, but that's not always the case (for example, the RF 200-800 is cheaper via street price than Canon USA refurbished).

neuroanatomist said:

Look here.

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Look here.

neuroanatomist said:

Easy. Once everyone has smart glasses, AI can just make the historic building look restored with augmented reality. No need for bricks or workers.

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And AI can also solve the reflecting pool issue without duck killing chemicals.
We're living in a wonderful new world!

scyrene said:

Today I saw someone AI/robots could solve the issue of spiralling costs repairing a historic building.

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Easy. Once everyone has smart glasses, AI can just make the historic building look restored with augmented reality. No need for bricks or workers.

Ozarker said:

Wait for the AI revolution to make everyone even more "expert". People will be drawn in deeper.

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The human capacity for insight is exceeded only by its aptitude for stupidity. Today I saw someone AI/robots could solve the issue of spiralling costs repairing a historic building.

What Canon had tried to do by limiting "View Assist" in playback on it's low end Cinema cameras was block LUTs, Look Files. Prioritizing their proprietary Picure Profiles instead. Directing operators and owners to "use external monitors". Panasonic, other competition, and a backlash from cinematographers forced them to rethink that plan. I am curious how much prior input from owners of external monitors had.

The 20-50 must be indeed very good, getting so much "highly qualified" internet user criticism...
"Horrible distorsion, ridiculous mount (?), excessive price (20-70 under $1000 would be acceptable), why no f/2,8, no 85mm, never such a crappy lens with software correction"(forgetting Sony does that too) and so on.
Buy it, use it, you'll love it, like most (all?) serious reviewers.
Edit: I forgot all the sooo wonderful Tamrons, Sigmas, Sonies showing Canon the way...

ctk said:

They're "selling" because they're bundled in. Crop shooters historically don't buy much beyond whatever their cameras come with.

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Obviously. But your claim was that there is no business case for such lenses. If you meant no business case for OEM crop lenses other than those bundled in kits, you could have said that.

There is clearly a business case for APS-C kit lenses. As for the additional lenses, there aren't many anyway. For RF-S, the 18-45, 55-210 and 18-150 are kit lenses. The 10-18, 14-30 PZ and 3.9mm dual fisheye are the others, and the last of those is a very niche lens. That's consistent with the overall idea that there's not much of a business case for a wide selection of OEM crop lenses, but I highly doubt that Canon would design and sell a lens for which there was no business case.

They've been doing this whole camera- and lens-selling thing for a while, and they're pretty good at it.

neuroanatomist said:

I’d bet good money that in terms of unit sales, Canon’s best-selling lenses are the lenses included in 1- or 2-lens kits with entry-level APS-C cameras. Seems like a very good business case for OEM crop lenses.

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They're "selling" because they're bundled in. Crop shooters historically don't buy much beyond whatever their cameras come with.

Del Paso said:

I got mine from the Dutch company KameraExpress in Germany. Till now, they have been very reliable. Unlike all French retailers, they accepted an order before the lens became officially available. So, I got it a soon as they had it from Canon.
2 years International Canon warranty, + additional 3 years from KameraExpress (no idea how good this non-Canon warranty is).

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I have a pre-order with Kamera-Express (Netherlands)
But unfortunately, I'm not at the front of the queue. :-(

neuroanatomist said:

So Canon shouldn’t make a 70-200mm f/2 because with a 1.4x TC that’s a 98-280mm f/2.8 and that’s ’a threat’ to the 100-300mm f/2.8.

Shhhhh. Don’t tell Canon that a 400mm f/2.8 with a 1.4x TC is a 560mm f/4. If they ever figure that out, they’ll understand the threat that poses to a 600mm f/4, and they’ll never make such a lens.

Or maybe that ‘threat’ is why, while Canon made 7 versions of a 400/2.8, they’ve only made 5 versions of a 600/4.


Forum dwellers thinking they understand the camera market better than manufacturers is a never-ending source of amusement.

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Wait for the AI revolution to make everyone even more "expert". People will be drawn in deeper.

candyman said:

That's what I expected when I ordered the new rear lens caps. I ordered one extra for my pre-ordered 20-50.
I am still waiting for the lens. Today they informed me that they can't say when it will arrive. Maybe I cancel it and order it from Germany. It says 4-10 business days.

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I got mine from the Dutch company KameraExpress in Germany. Till now, they have been very reliable. Unlike all French retailers, they accepted an order before the lens became officially available. So, I got it a soon as they had it from Canon.
2 years International Canon warranty, + additional 3 years from KameraExpress (no idea how good this non-Canon warranty is).

neuroanatomist said:

It's a seriously fun lens!

https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/threads/rf-10-20mm-f-4l-is-stm.42960/page-2

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Thank you, Neuro.

I certainly do not critcize Canon for its strategy, but I am very glad I have some vintage glass. The RF 85mm 1.2 is my most-used glass and after that a Zeiss 18mm 2.8. I would love to buy an Otus 16mm or 18mm.

I have two Chinese RF offerings but stopped using them after a bit. There is just something off about the images and the lack of EXIF data is most irritating.

MontereyBay said:

Canon surprised me. One can play back user LUTs in playback now. I was anticipating Canon blocking this somehow with their own built in LUT.
Canon has officially addressed user backlash by enabling View Assist in Media Playback mode. Crucially, the update allows you to apply your own custom user LUTs directly in-camera during playback, completely dispelling rumors that Canon would restrict the feature to only built-in LUTs.

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1.) Adds [Ease In / Ease Out] to [Digital Zoom Speed]. When set to On, this setting smooths the transitions at the start and end of digital zoom operations.

Unfortunately, I didn't think anybody is using digital zoom in a Cinema camera. What we really needed was a way to "ease" the zoom rocker when using the physical zoom and servo on the 24-105/70-200. Right now, that servo motor comes to an abrupt stop when using the rocker around the shutter button and the top handles can only support one speed: on/off.

5.) View Assist can now be applied and adjusted during playback.

This is one of those things that made no sense at all. Canon rolled out a firmware update years ago to allow for View Assist to be applied to playback in nearly all their Cinema cameras....they release a new Cinema camera and leave it out. 6 months of filming without view assist on the built-in monitor...why, Canon?

9.) Fixes an issue that may cause certain CFexpress cards to be unable to format in the camera.

I wonder if this directly addresses the issue where you can't format a card if you have a monitor plugged in. Because I think everyone I work with has run into that problem and you have to unplug everything from the camera to format.

Canon surprised me. One can play back user LUTs in playback now. I was anticipating Canon blocking this somehow with their own built in LUT.
Canon has officially addressed user backlash by enabling View Assist in Media Playback mode. Crucially, the update allows you to apply your own custom user LUTs directly in-camera during playback, completely dispelling rumors that Canon would restrict the feature to only built-in LUTs.