Michael Clark said:

I hate to break the news to you, but none of the boomers are middle aged any longer. Those born in 1964 are turning 62 years old this year. All of the boomers will officially be "seniors" by the end of this year. In most places, they've been considered "seniors" since they turned 60 in 2024.

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Damn u hit me where it hurts the most

A bit off-topic, but hey, community life.

1) I meant in the slang context, as in somebody who seems rigid and oldschool crying about losing old stuff and having difficulties accepting new trends.
2) My country had a very different history and demographic graph, we had a boom in the 70s.

Cheers.

Sylvester said:

You would hope so -
Canon obviously have much more data than we do about what sells and what does not.
Similarly they will have survey and focus group data - but that's very subjective based on which audience and question you ask.

What no marketing department have is a view of how well the product that they did not launch would have done or how many people purchased an alternative because you had a gap in your lineup. Not many people call to say hey I bought something else or switched systems.

I really do hope that Canon come though with a worthy successor sooner rather than later.

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Sure, it's not an exact science by any means. But if anyone in the industry has a handle on it, the perennial market leader should. I'm quite suspicious of a lot of forum posts that boil down to trying to make personal disappointment into sometging bigger and more objective (not aimed at anyone in particular).

Anyhow, a lot of people have assumed this represents a postponement but if it boils down to CR misreading the runes then maybe it was never planned to come this soon.

scyrene said:

Presumably? This isn't their first rodeo

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You would hope so -
Canon obviously have much more data than we do about what sells and what does not.
Similarly they will have survey and focus group data - but that's very subjective based on which audience and question you ask.

What no marketing department have is a view of how well the product that they did not launch would have done or how many people purchased an alternative because you had a gap in your lineup. Not many people call to say hey I bought something else or switched systems.

I really do hope that Canon come though with a worthy successor sooner rather than later.

JensR said:

I may be wrong but the size and weight difference i expect to see would be quite small to an R6, because of same battery, IBIS, cooling vents....
Ok, you'd lose the EVF bulge...
But for Photo i really want a VF, optical or otherwise, i tried multiple cameras without it, i prefer a Viewfinder.

Perhaps an R10 or R7 (1000 € on sale if you are patient) could also be a nice small camera with the plus of giving all your lenses a different field of view.
And the R7 even has the same battery as your R5II, so no problem there.

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Well, I absolutely love the size and look/format of the R50V, I almost bought one. The only reason I didn't is the aps-c. I hate aps-c I don't think the different field of view is an advantage, especially since it's not the angle but a crop. Very bad at wide angles.
I owned an R7 and while I loved the handling (somehow for me it was even more intuitive than the R5m2) I was pretty dissatisfied with it's overall performance, especially AF. The R5 was a salvation after the R7.
And to top all that, I do a fair amount of wildlife and I'm not willing to use aps-c even for that. That's how much I hate aps-c. You just feel it everywhere. The EVF size, the noise and sharpness, etc...

The R10 and alike, while they are definitely small, I believe the compact format (shape and size both matter) can better it. An R50V+28/2.8p is almost a pocket camera. Even an R100 is far from it.

As for not having an EVF...will see....I shoot a lot with my iphone and I don't miss it. I know, the iphone display is worlds better than anything any camera will ever have...time will tell.

Sylvester said:

I wonder if Canon take into consideration that lost lens sales opportunities along side the body decision.

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Presumably? This isn't their first rodeo

JRetz said:

I have been waiting for the R7MKii to replace my 90D. I could not see going to the R7 as it was not much of an upgrade for me and I do have a R5 as well as a Nikon Z6. For my wildlife photography (the majority of my photography) I use my R5 with a RF100-500 and RF200-800 along with my 90D with my EF 800 f/5.6. I was hoping for the R7 MKII to upgrade this. Since the delays in the R7 MKII I have been looking at the OM System OM-1 MKII for more range and better performance than my 90D. Looks like I will be adding the OM-1MKII to my camera systems and keeping the 90D for a while. I could even go to the OM-5 MKII and have an upgrade over my 90D and better performance over the R7. Canons marketing strategies has lost them another customer and longtime Canon user. Also, since I use the Nikon for street and travel photography, I can get rid of that and just use the OM System to cover all my photo needs.

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I think your situation is similar to the dilemma that many of us are facing.
The R5mkii convinced me that Canon mirror-less was finally ready to replace the DSLR, specifically eliminating rolling shutter with fully electronic shutter to the point that its a none issue. While bringing many great performance and feature updates.
I was really hoping for a return to the 7DmkII approach, essentially an R5mkii with a cropped sensor, as the 7Dmkii was to the 5Dmkiii, which was the perfect pairing. Having shot with the R5mkii the 7Dii now feel rather "agricultural" and dated.

The current R7 is just not there features and performance, wise and especially with the body layout. Otherwise I'd have picked on up as an interim step.
The R6mkIII does not have the reach and also does not resolve the rolling shutter issue.

The ideal solution that would keep me firmly in the Canon ecosystem is an R7mkii with an RF100-500 (assuming of course that it lived up the the rumored specs). While the loan RF100-500 is a fantastic lens on the R5ii it's still not got the reach of a proper crop body. Where as crop mode drops the resolution just a little to far. I wonder if Canon take into consideration that lost lens sales opportunities along side the body decision. In my case the EF-100-400 would have been replaced with an RF100-500 along with the new body.

I guess both the 7Dii and EF100-400 are coming off sale now.

I was disappointed that the R7mkii seemed to be on the cards for late 2025 and then into 2026 - a further delay starts to rule Canon out for my crop needs for Aviation and Wildlife.

Brown said:

Part of it will be if it falls far enough behind the competition in the interim that it requires a redesign/revision.

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But there is no competition if as you and others have indicated the rival manufacturers have "given up" on (prosumer) crop.

This is bracing. I really am looking forward to the R7II.

My problem now is, how precise is this new prediction of the R7II not coming in 2026?
A week ago it was 99% coming in may...

I looked at these rumors in the past like "where there's smoke, there's fire"...
Apparently, that was my bad, and i overestimated the quality of information provided.

This will change how and if i look at rumors in the future.
I really like the idea of getting information ahead of time,
but i rather have no information than wrong information.

One way or another we will see what the future brings...

JRetz said:

I have been waiting for the R7MKii to replace my 90D. I could not see going to the R7 as it was not much of an upgrade for me and I do have a R5 as well as a Nikon Z6. For my wildlife photography (the majority of my photography) I use my R5 with a RF100-500 and RF200-800 along with my 90D with my EF 800 f/5.6. I was hoping for the R7 MKII to upgrade this. Since the delays in the R7 MKII I have been looking at the OM System OM-1 MKII for more range and better performance than my 90D. Looks like I will be adding the OM-1MKII to my camera systems and keeping the 90D for a while. I could even go to the OM-5 MKII and have an upgrade over my 90D and better performance over the R7. Canons marketing strategies has lost them another customer and longtime Canon user. Also, since I use the Nikon for street and travel photography, I can get rid of that and just use the OM System to cover all my photo needs.

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You are steeling my thunder! When I read this post I most probably switch to ON-1ii as well with their Zuiko 100-400 lens. 120 fps, stacked sensor, the whole lot. Unfortunately 400 grams heavier but IP55 sealed!
Still I wait till end of June, to see what happens if the patent embargo is lifted.

zamorano said:

Why were they selling off the R7 I then? And interestingly enough, its price fell down to 1050 EUR just a couple of weeks ago when it rose to 1150. Seems almost as if they changed their mind.

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Its seasonal: during winter you can buy it body only for under 1000€ in France. Prices rise when good weather comes.

What the actual f***
This camera started to be rumoured in 2025, and now it isn't coming in 2026...

Seems to me that Canon rushed out it's full R range in short order once they had fully committed to mirrorless, now they are taking their time to ensure that each update hits the spot

Brown said:

Quite the disappointment.
I was hoping the release of the R7MkII would push down the prices of the 7D2 so that a particularly good deal could be had on one.

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I don't really understand what you are hoping for. The 7D2 is a 12 year old camera that is already very cheap. Excellent used copies can be had for £400, probably even less.

A bit disappointing to hear the R7 II could get released next year, but that's how rumors go. In my opinion some of the R7 II rumors sounded to good to be true, as if it were on the same level as an R5 II with an APS-C sensor. I thought the R7 would have needed the update first over the R8, the R8 already seems pretty solid for it's market but it would be nice if the R8 II got the joystick and the bigger battery which I don't think it will on the 8 series. I also hope the R8 II will get a normal version and not just the retro version.

Guys, I understand that everybody is disappointed and blame Canon rumors now. But, as with all things also this is only a rumour. In the entertainment industry they say "important that they talk about you, being negative or positive doesn't matter". Now EVERYBODY is talking about the R7II not coming. Let's wait and see

GMCPhotographics said:

Yes, I agree. I actually prefer the file I get out of my R6ii to those I get from my R5. The resolution choice of 24mp was to buff 4K video (yawn) and the bump to 33mp in the mkiii was to assist 8K video (double yawn). So none of these choices were made for photographers needs in mind. It was all about the hybrid / video sales. If the R8II is truly an enthusiasts photographer’s camera, then let’s hope Canon truly hit that specific target.
That said the R8 is still a remarkably capable camera.

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You cannot get 8k 16:9 video out of a 33mp 3:2 sensor. While 8k video is 7680x4320 (33.2mp), a 3:2 sensor must be at least 7680x5120 (39.3mp) to manage this. This is why we see so many ~45mp cameras from Canon, Nikon, and Sony.

The R6III going to 33mp was pretty clearly in response to the A7IV having gone to 33mp. It's not a move that is particularly useful for video but does give photographers a bit of a boost in resolution.

Neighbor was a Canon USA executive, never felt it appropriate to try to pry any insider information, I followed Canon Rumors, the one unsolicited tip, “Pay attention to Canon Rumors, they’re pretty good on their rumors.”

That’s “straight from the horse’s mouth!”

Personally, I appreciate the articles on this site, but I don’t expect them to be gospel.

And while I will probably purchase an R7 II when it’s available, unless they come out with an R3 II first, to me there’s no rush. Plus the longer they make the R7, the more there are out there, the longer Canon will service them, and the market forces will likely drive the price lower when I purchase a second R7 for my underwater housing due to market saturation.

It’s all good

danfaz said:

Are we sure prices for the long discontinued 7D Mark II would be affected in any way by the release of an R7 Mark II?

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I'd have to presume it is to some degree, given the discord between the build/positioning of the R7 to the 7D series.

Brown said:

He was talking about Nikon, largely, giving up on crop bodies.
As of present, Canon is the most invested in APS-C bodies.

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Ahhh, I misunderstood that, or rather over-interpreted it into the thread context. Apologies!

neuroanatomist said:

Why would the strategy of three niche manufacturers, who combined with Nikon still fall short of half of Canon’s market share, make sense for Canon?

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He was talking about Nikon, largely, giving up on crop bodies.
As of present, Canon is the most invested in APS-C bodies.

Edit: Aside from Fujifilm, of course, but that's a different relationship, since the 1.5x "crop" sensor is what their system is built around.

David - Sydney said:

the sunk cost is not "lost" unless the body never sees the light of day.

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Part of it will be if it falls far enough behind the competition in the interim that it requires a redesign/revision.

Brown said:

It'd make sense.
Leica, Panasonic and Sigma have.

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Why would the strategy of three niche manufacturers, who combined with Nikon still fall short of half of Canon’s market share, make sense for Canon? About 63% of ILCs sold are crop.

Not launching an R7II this year doesn’t mean that Canon has ‘given up on the crop bodies’. The 7-series has had the slowest refresh cycle since it launched.

Tom R5R7 said:

My Nikonian friend tells me that she thinks Nikon has basically given up on the crop bodies.

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It'd make sense.
Leica, Panasonic and Sigma have.

and what of that 6GHz wifi certification floating around? What camera does that align with? Doubtful it is this R6V or R8II