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Canon Officially Announces the Canon RF 45mm f/1.2 STM

And my "The dark side - I've been there" for using Nikon in the past as well, was always meant with a ;)
I loved my FM-2 and some manual Nikkor lenses, but I am happy that I changed to Canon. My wife's Nikon gear has caused much more trouble than mine, my wife had to send some of their cameras and lenses quite frequently to service (dead buttons, dead AF drives, mirror stuck...). In former decades when they made great cameras like the F-3, FM/E-2 etc., Nikon stood for ruggedness and reliability. But today at least our experience over many years shows that Canon beats Nikon in overall quality. For wildlife/birding it makes the decisive difference if you are far out and suddenly your gear fails to work.
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It's partially a surprise with the price, but also a let down as it is not using the patent that was previously published. From gordon's video that is just posted, it is fake internal focusing with all groups moving inside the barrel, and not a true internal focusing design like the patent. Also the CA and corner image quality is pretty bad. The MTF is also rather "vintage" for lack of a better word. They might be making some changes but it's canon after all.
What is wrong with all groups moving? Sure its more mass so the autofocus *could* be faster if it was true internally focused, but in my reading its generally easier to maintain sharpness and corrections when you move all the groups.
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

You're just guessing though. Even the tech guys from Canon don't know what exactly does it do. My opinion is similar to yours – it helps the Digic X. And as you said, there used to be dual Digic in some cameras. This is probably something similar but the camera doesn't need double the speed so the accelerator is just a little brother.

My point was that the Digic accelerator probably isn't designed for a specific task like "AI autofocus" so an absence of it may not mean losing features. It may be that 30-ish MP is still fine for the Digic X alone, but for 45Mpix it needs a help. Or for cross-type (as you mentioned).

Or, the accelerator helps with the "basketball autofocus" feature and the R6iii won't have it.

One more point is that Digic X is not the same processor in every camera so the one in the R6iii may be more powerfull.

Anyways, just saying that having no Digic accelerator doesn't mean much.
Looks like a was wrong: the tech guys from Canon now know :)
And the accelerator helps with the "basketball autofocus" so I was wrong and right :)
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Canon Officially Announces the Canon RF 45mm f/1.2 STM

Dear Richard, thank you so much for this enlightening article! I did not yet have a chance to take a closer look at the new RF 1.2/45mm but reading your in-depth explanations including the MTF charts (telling the whole story) helped me much and gave me 2 ideas:
(1) For shooting stills with a "dreamy vintage" look, I'll keep my EF 1.2/50mm.
(2) For video with external mike (when one wants a totally silent AF drive) and a more modern look I may take a plunge and get the RF 1.4/50mm VCM lens, but that will also depend on the question whether I need such a super fast lens for video (not yet).
I always strolled around the optically exceptionally well made RF f/1.2 , but its size and weight was the true hurdle for me, for my personal taste it is a too big lens. Basically I do not have a problem with big and heavy lenses, since I also use really big tele lenses. But for typical 50mm lens settings I love to have a compact, handy lens. So, thank you again, you helped my to make my decision.

You may have noticed that I used the old school "f-stop/focal length" notation here, that was intentional and a reference to the old Leica/Zeiss look fan wars. I never understood why people can get so crazy about photo gear that they really start to hate each others, despite being passionate about photography myself. For instance, I still love my wife, despite she is a Nikon user (I changed to Canon when I went digital) ;)
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I had several copies of the EF 50mm f1.2 L and I found it to be a frustrating lens to use. It was built like a tank and handled lfare really well. It had great colours and a lot of charector. BUT in low light (exactly when you want to use a f1.2 lens) it's AF was ponderous, hessitant and often would not lock on. I'm talking single point One shot mode. I would have to use one of the the verticle centre points on my 5DIII to have any hope. And yet my EF 24-70 L would nail AF effortlessly at 50mm and that was a lens far less bright in terms of light transmission. Which goes to show that wide open contrast was more importaint to the AF system than brightness or light level.
The other issue with the EF 50mm f1.2 L was the well documented aperture dependent focus shift. At close focus distances, if you stopped down to f2.8 (where this lens actually became quite sharp) the point of focus was fine in the view finder, but in the final shot, it would jump significantly.
I've not tried the EF 50mm f1.2 L on a modern mirroless camera body. but under the older DSLR AF system...it was too erratic and unreliable for my professional needs at the time.
I think if I was in the market for a sharp and bright 50mm style prime, these days we are spoilt for choice on the RF mount. There's a lens for every budget and use case. For me, I'd only really be happy with the RF 50mm f1.2 L, everything else is a compromise. However, If I was rebuilting my prime lens collectiobn, I would start with a 85m and then choose a 35mm. A 50ish mm, would be my last choice after a 135mm.
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Canon Officially Announces the Canon RF 45mm f/1.2 STM

This seems like a great addition to the RF lens lineup on paper but I'm also a bit disappointed.

If you want the vintage 1.2 look, you can already buy a used EF 50mm 1.2 L for a similar price. You get better build quality, weather sealing and USM on top. In that sense, this new lens doesn't really add much to the table. I would rather get the EF lens, personally.

On the other hand, the RF 35mm 1.8 STM has superior IQ at 1.8 for the same price + IS + semi-macro. It still seems like the better lens overall, unless you only want the extreme soft look and don't want to use an adapter.
Spot on, that's exactly the market. People who wan't the extreme soft look and don't want to use the adapter.
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Canon Officially Announces the Canon RF 45mm f/1.2 STM

It's partially a surprise with the price, but also a let down as it is not using the patent that was previously published. From gordon's video that is just posted, it is fake internal focusing with all groups moving inside the barrel, and not a true internal focusing design like the patent. Also the CA and corner image quality is pretty bad. The MTF is also rather "vintage" for lack of a better word. They might be making some changes but it's canon after all.
And what exactly are you asking for a f/1.2 for $500?
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Canon Officially Announces the Canon EOS R6 Mark III

shooting in -40 °C is probably not the typical use case for most people and what's 5 batteries? nothing.
… unless you need six. Underestimating how many batteries I need has been an issue in the past. I really appreciate new batteries with their own USB ports + battery power packs.

I’ve given up waiting for good *** in an affordable camera for me. For years I’ve just been using *** loggers. I’ve been using the Columbus P10, which I can leave on for 2 days with 1 sec logging. And it’s the only logger I can find that uses the new L5 *** signal which significantly improves accuracy and cross path interferences.

However, what I wish Canon would allow in newer cameras is the compass information. From what I can gather, I think only the 5D mkiii had this capability. Both the Canon and Solmeta *** receivers have this compass information, but can’t write it to the newer Canons.

Edit: maybe the 1D X as well for storing compass information?
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Canon Officially Announces the Canon RF 45mm f/1.2 STM

I gave my thoughts on this lens.


some of you may like my thoughts, some of you may hate them. don't come after me for T* though ;)
I had several copies of the EF 50mm f1.2 L and I found it to be a frustrating lens to use. It was built like a tank and handled lfare really well. It had great colours and a lot of charector. BUT in low light (exactly when you want to use a f1.2 lens) it's AF was ponderous, hessitant and often would not lock on. I'm talking single point One shot mode. I would have to use one of the the verticle centre points on my 5DIII to have any hope. And yet my EF 24-70 L would nail AF effortlessly at 50mm and that was a lens far less bright in terms of light transmission. Which goes to show that wide open contrast was more importaint to the AF system than brightness or light level.
The other issue with the EF 50mm f1.2 L was the well documented aperture dependent focus shift. At close focus distances, if you stopped down to f2.8 (where this lens actually became quite sharp) the point of focus was fine in the view finder, but in the final shot, it would jump significantly.
I've not tried the EF 50mm f1.2 L on a modern mirroless camera body. but under the older DSLR AF system...it was too erratic and unreliable for my professional needs at the time.
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I think if I were going to go that route, it would be to Nikon, Sony - I can't see it, I never really felt comfortable with their cameras. Nikon's I have used in the past, and even though they were heathens for their lens turning the wrong way, there's a DNA there that's appreciable.

Fuji as well - especially because their APS-C Camera bodies are excellent.

I like Nikon's attitude the most, seems to be the most consumer friendly company, at least as far their product design goes.
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The king of bang-for-the-buck today is Chinese glass. Have you considered picking up a used E or Z mount camera to try some of this out? It almost boggles the mind how good some of this glass is for the price. (And if you work out how to order directly from the Chinese sites, prices get even lower. Sometimes a LOT lower.)

I think if I were going to go that route, it would be to Nikon, Sony - I can't see it, I never really felt comfortable with their cameras. Nikon's I have used in the past, and even though they were heathens for their lens turning the wrong way, there's a DNA there that's appreciable.

Fuji as well - especially because their APS-C Camera bodies are excellent.
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Canon Officially Announces the Canon RF 45mm f/1.2 STM

I gave my thoughts on this lens.


some of you may like my thoughts, some of you may hate them. don't come after me for T* though ;)
You are not alone with your thoughts.
A lens to play with, but not for me. If sharpness did set in from f/4, why not, but this is not the case...
I'll keep using my 1,8/50 or the 2,8/60 Makro Elmarit R.
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Canon Officially Announces the Canon EOS R6 Mark III

I wonder what the actual impact of *** is on the battery, especially if you consider that without builtin *** you need to enable wifi/bluetooth for the smartphone connection and that will also use some power.

I never really tested this, apart from noticing that even if I accidentally leave the camera in *** mode 1, it will drain the battery only very slowly. Maybe it loses 5% per day, but even if it were 10%, I'd happily take that. All of my DSLRs (7DII, 6DII, 5DIV) almost always survive the day on a single battery, no matter what I do with them. So with the more power-hungry mirrorless cameras I'd probably need two batteries per day most of the time, but that should then also leave enough power for ***, I'd hope.



That sounds like a better explanation to me. But compared to the DSLRs, the mirrorless cameras got smaller (maybe sometimes even too small, at least for my hands), so perhaps they could sacrifice some of that to properly integrate *** again? If they do not want to do that everywhere, then at least in one of their bodies (maybe the R5?), so that they can still offer something that is as small as possible (R8, maybe R6) and something that is a bit larger (and more expensive) but also more capable.

I briefly considered buying the R3, since it is not that much heavier than my 5DIV (about 200g), but the integrated battery grip makes it too cumbersome to carry my usual way (capture clip on the hip belt of my backpack, or within the backpack behind a side access door, for which it might be bit too large (which is then also a problem with external solutions like the GP-E2)).



This is what I did before buying my first 7DII. But it has all the drawbacks of any "second device" solution, and now you also need synchronized clocks or the points will not be accurate. My *** logger back then had a small display, so I could take a photo of its clock to calculate the offset, but I was so happy when I didn't need to do that anymore with the 7DII, I don't want to go back to that.



External loggers cost around 100-200€. But for the comfort of built-in *** I'd also pay 500€.



Great, I'd be interested to read that :)



What battery improvements do you think are necessary? Perhaps they just need some more modern (***) technology: I bought a cheap (~100€) smartwatch this year. The whole thing just weighs 30g and has a 270mAh battery (so around 1Wh, assuming this is some standard ~3,8V battery). It can record *** tracks for more than 20h using less than 10% of the LP-E6's capacity. Why should it take a camera more than that to geotag some photos?
Very good elaboration on that, I feel pretty much the same on everything. The R3 and R1 are much too large for me, I'd like to go smaller than the 5D4 in the future. I don't care much about the battery issue however, I am currently carrying around 8 batteries for the 5D4 anyway, that will get me about 4 days of shooting, if I carry the same number on a future ***-capable R5 and it only gives me 2 days that is fine for me.
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Canon Officially Announces the Canon RF 45mm f/1.2 STM

As many of you know, I’m pretty huge on the bang for the buck lenses

The king of bang-for-the-buck today is Chinese glass. Have you considered picking up a used E or Z mount camera to try some of this out? It almost boggles the mind how good some of this glass is for the price. (And if you work out how to order directly from the Chinese sites, prices get even lower. Sometimes a LOT lower.)
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Canon Officially Announces the Canon RF 45mm f/1.2 STM

I gave my thoughts on this lens.


some of you may like my thoughts, some of you may hate them. don't come after me for T* though ;)
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Canon Officially Announces the Canon EOS R6 Mark III

We have R5. My wife is using it for weddings. She's not that much happy with the AF face tracking as much as I have expected, it's not sticky enough. I thought, that R6III would be a sweet spot, kind of returning back to 5DIV resolution and offerning better AF. OTOH, 0.5cm smaller LCD, rounded design I don't like, still no BSI sensor, like - really? What are they raising the price for then? Well, yeah, great video upgrades .... which we don't use (yet), but I value of course. I wonder what is going to be its low-light performance, compared to R5 downsampling to the same resolution?
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