Canon's Tilt-Shift Evolution: What's Next?

Neither I, as a non-professional (!) see much advantages in AF for TS lenses, even though I use mine exclusively handheld in cities or forests (trees).
Like you, I'd really appreciate a TS 15-35 zoom, which would reduce my travel gear to a minimum (TS 15-35 instead of 15-35 zoom + TS-E 24 or 17).
Yet, in this particular case, AF would be nice, since I'd often use the TS 15-35 like a "normal" zoom.
Canon, please, hear our prayer! 🙏

Yep, agreed. If it was TS and zoom, then AF would make more sense. I'm just worried how much would such a lens cost... Either way, my priority list for theoretical RF TS lenses is as follows:
1. Zoom
2. Lens collars
3. Better controls
4. Would gladly give up tilt functionality on all focal ranges, except 90 mm (need that for products)
5. AF
6. IS
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*** for R series cameras

There are multiple (recent) threads about using *** to geotag your photo’s.

See: https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/threads/***-issue.44271/#post-1018833

I use a Garmin *** device to create a tracklog and use the Map module in Lightroom to add the coordinates from the tracklog to the images. This works fine when the time on your camera is in sync with the time of the *** device. I use the Camera connect app to sync the time of my camera to that of my smartphone (after some time the camera clock needs re-sync to remove the usually 2-3 minutes difference).
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

Years ago, I thinked that R mount was a technical move; now I think it was only a piece of marketing.
Canon R mount is still closed, so best move is buy a Sony camera (or other brand) and enjoy lenses from others manufacturers.
In 2025 there is no way in a thing SO CLOSED as R mount.
Thank you for sharing your opinion with us. I'm sure we all appreciate it.
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Canon's Tilt-Shift Evolution: What's Next?

It's not that I can't imagine uses for AF stabilized TS lenses, it's more down to what cost hike that would cause and would that price increase justify the new features, considering there are already so many AF prime lenses with IS, that work just fine and cost way less than what these super TS lenses might go for.

TS lenses have always been a super niche product, so my reasoning is how many users would actually need an AF+IS+TS lens and how many *new* users would such a lens attract. If you're a photographer who shoots architecture, it's highly likely you'll plonk your gear on a tripod, AF or no AF. It's hard enough to level everything out even with a geared head, let alone handheld...

If you're just looking for a prime lens for handheld work, video or general photography, well then you're way more likely to pick up some of the VC lenses, considering they'll inherently be much cheaper, faster and have way better aperture than the TS lenses.

Considering majority of my work is done on TS lenses, I would much prefer to have the theoretical zoom feature more than anything. And I'd be willing to pay for it big bucks. 10-20 TS? Or 15-35 TS? Or heck, 24-70 TS? Boy... Those would make my loins all warm!

If Canon is sticking to primes, then trust me - I would MUCH more prefer lens collars than say AF, or IS. I don't need AF for my work, let alone IS. If the lens had it, sure, I'd probably use AF from time to time. But I often switch to MF even on my AF lenses, simply to nail the focus exactly as I want it and make sure there are no changes from shot to shot, especially when doing stacks or panoramic shifts. I think vast majority of users for Canon's TS lineup are like me. And I don't see a bunch of wedding photographers picking up sets of autofocus TS lenses to shoot bridal sets. It just doesn't make sense.
Neither I, as a non-professional (!) see much advantages in AF for TS lenses, even though I use mine exclusively handheld in cities or forests (trees).
Like you, I'd really appreciate a TS 15-35 zoom, which would reduce my travel gear to a minimum (TS 15-35 instead of 15-35 zoom + TS-E 24 or 17).
Yet, in this particular case, AF would be nice, since I'd often use the TS 15-35 like a "normal" zoom.
Canon, please, hear our prayer! 🙏
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Canon's Tilt-Shift Evolution: What's Next?

With all this, is Canon still manufacturing TS-E lenses? If the TS-E lenses were sold-out tomorrow, would Canon manufacture and assemble more? With new technology, a tilt-shift lens could be handheld. Kind of frees one to do more with a TS lens without having to use a tripod.

Canon is not manufacturing any EF lenses period, so I'm pretty sure they're not manufacturing TS-E lenses either. There are however plenty brand new ones for purchase. As far as I know, none are sold out - another indicator that confirms the niche status for these lenses.

You can handheld the current TS-E lenses just fine. People use manual lenses all the time. It's more a matter of why would you? What would you get from a hand held 24mm RF AF IS TS lens that you can't get from an RF 24 VCM? The only thing is going for those shallow depth miniature effects using the tilt function, but I have serious doubts about how much use would that get and how soon would the novelty wear off. Again, it's not like you can't do it with current lenses, yet it's not that sought out effect. Shifting hand held is the second option and here I see even less use cases. If one want's to keep their verticals straight and avoid the pain of correcting in post, then you'll most likely use a tripod. So, that's all for the photo work.

On to the video, when I think about it, such a lens could actually be quite useful for video work, seeing as AF and IS would be very beneficial in that use scenario. Also, there is an actual market for that, considering there is ever growing demand for real estate videos. The only problem is that such a lens would have to be small and light, so one could use it on a gimbal. And small + light + TS + AF + IS isn't very likely.
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Wedding photographers are only slightly more interested in creating something special than the person who takes school portraits. Generally, it's almost purely business of providing generic images to please the masses at a competitive price. I would say very few business will want new technologies until there is sufficient evidence to show it profitable for their specific case.

So, yes, we won't see the average Wedding photographer using tiltshift lenses and I know of one here that has an attitude that expensive lenses are only for ego, and that's fine with me and apparently fine with Canon, but that doesn't mean nobody will be willing to sell crack to pay for it [exaggeration]. I'm sure Canon is weighing all the important factors in regards to cost and marketability including halo status to increase brand reputation.
Right!
I can imagine that shifting or tilting a bride wouldn't be very popular or good for business...:sneaky:
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Show your Bird Portraits

Yet another mirror. This time a Nikon 500mm f/8 HN-27. This is a much smaller and lighter lens than the older Nikon 500mm (which I also have a copy of), but the key difference is that the HN-27 focuses down to 5ft. and the older one is 13 ft. Both are reasonably sharp. Still a dark day, so R8 at ISO 5000 and 10000, but fat pixels are much quieter 😉.

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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

I doubt there will be any synchronization with the electronic shutter. In Nikon Z6III it is 1/60. In the R6 Mark II, the electronic curtian speed is very similar to both C50/R6III and Z6III, but there is no synchro. Usually, even if the shutter is fast enough, synchronization appears when the sensor is "stacked" or "partially stacked".
"This is the last generation of full-frame cameras that will have mechanical shutters" - No, not the last. Maybe second-to-last, but I doubt the next generation will have fast enough sensors for that. In the $3,500-$4,000 class, yes, no problem, that's already there, at least for Nikon and Canon. But in the $1,500-$2,500 class, I don't think so. Also Canon still has an image quality penalty for its electronic shutter, even in their fastest cameras like R5II, R1 and R3. They need to solve this issue. That Sony sensor that S1II and Z6III use, also has some penalty. I think a sync speed of at least 1/180 is needed to get rid of the mechanical shutter. I doubt they'll triple that 1/60 in a single generation. I also doubt they'll just give top-end stacked sensors to $2000 class. To do this, they need to come up with something cool for the $3,500-$4,000 segment, and I doubt they have anything.
In fact, I would be happy if in the next generation they slowed down a bit in their rush to make sensors faster and tried to restore the image quality that they sacrificed in this race.
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Canon's Tilt-Shift Evolution: What's Next?

It's not that I can't imagine uses for AF stabilized TS lenses, it's more down to what cost hike that would cause and would that price increase justify the new features, considering there are already so many AF prime lenses with IS, that work just fine and cost way less than what these super TS lenses might go for.

TS lenses have always been a super niche product, so my reasoning is how many users would actually need an AF+IS+TS lens and how many *new* users would such a lens attract. If you're a photographer who shoots architecture, it's highly likely you'll plonk your gear on a tripod, AF or no AF. It's hard enough to level everything out even with a geared head, let alone handheld...

If you're just looking for a prime lens for handheld work, video or general photography, well then you're way more likely to pick up some of the VC lenses, considering they'll inherently be much cheaper, faster and have way better aperture than the TS lenses.

Considering majority of my work is done on TS lenses, I would much prefer to have the theoretical zoom feature more than anything. And I'd be willing to pay for it big bucks. 10-20 TS? Or 15-35 TS? Or heck, 24-70 TS? Boy... Those would make my loins all warm!

If Canon is sticking to primes, then trust me - I would MUCH more prefer lens collars than say AF, or IS. I don't need AF for my work, let alone IS. If the lens had it, sure, I'd probably use AF from time to time. But I often switch to MF even on my AF lenses, simply to nail the focus exactly as I want it and make sure there are no changes from shot to shot, especially when doing stacks or panoramic shifts. I think vast majority of users for Canon's TS lineup are like me. And I don't see a bunch of wedding photographers picking up sets of autofocus TS lenses to shoot bridal sets. It just doesn't make sense.
Wedding photographers are only slightly more interested in creating something special than the person who takes school portraits. Generally, it's almost purely business of providing generic images to please the masses at a competitive price. I would say very few business will want new technologies until there is sufficient evidence to show it profitable for their specific case.

So, yes, we won't see the average Wedding photographer using tiltshift lenses and I know of one here that has an attitude that expensive lenses are only for ego, and that's fine with me and apparently fine with Canon, but that doesn't mean nobody will be willing to sell crack to pay for it [exaggeration]. I'm sure Canon is weighing all the important factors in regards to cost and marketability including halo status to increase brand reputation.
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

This is the last generation of full-frame cameras that will have mechanical shutters, they know no one wants to use them anymore, hence the constant race for faster CMOS sensors, and eventually global shutter once they get the IQ where they want it. They're there for the comfort zone. Put the R&D into the electronic.
I've noticed you are very keen on killing the mechanical shutter. But I don't think it will go as fast as you think. Only with the fastest stacked sensors (or global shutter) you can get flash sync with electronic shutter. And I don't think we are there yet, where we can call "ordinary" (non-stacked) CMOS sensors for dead. They will be around for some more time.
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Canon's Tilt-Shift Evolution: What's Next?

It's not that I can't imagine uses for AF stabilized TS lenses, it's more down to what cost hike that would cause and would that price increase justify the new features, considering there are already so many AF prime lenses with IS, that work just fine and cost way less than what these super TS lenses might go for.

TS lenses have always been a super niche product, so my reasoning is how many users would actually need an AF+IS+TS lens and how many *new* users would such a lens attract. If you're a photographer who shoots architecture, it's highly likely you'll plonk your gear on a tripod, AF or no AF. It's hard enough to level everything out even with a geared head, let alone handheld...

If you're just looking for a prime lens for handheld work, video or general photography, well then you're way more likely to pick up some of the VC lenses, considering they'll inherently be much cheaper, faster and have way better aperture than the TS lenses.

Considering majority of my work is done on TS lenses, I would much prefer to have the theoretical zoom feature more than anything. And I'd be willing to pay for it big bucks. 10-20 TS? Or 15-35 TS? Or heck, 24-70 TS? Boy... Those would make my loins all warm!

If Canon is sticking to primes, then trust me - I would MUCH more prefer lens collars than say AF, or IS. I don't need AF for my work, let alone IS. If the lens had it, sure, I'd probably use AF from time to time. But I often switch to MF even on my AF lenses, simply to nail the focus exactly as I want it and make sure there are no changes from shot to shot, especially when doing stacks or panoramic shifts. I think vast majority of users for Canon's TS lineup are like me. And I don't see a bunch of wedding photographers picking up sets of autofocus TS lenses to shoot bridal sets.
With all this, is Canon still manufacturing TS-E lenses? If the TS-E lenses were sold-out tomorrow, would Canon manufacture and assemble more? With new technology, a tilt-shift lens could be handheld. Kind of frees one to do more with a TS lens without having to use a tripod.
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Canon's Tilt-Shift Evolution: What's Next?

Can you really not imagine using autofocus opening more new possibilities for t/s than a lens collar would? Or the chance Canon or a third party would provide lens collars for rf to lenses?
It's not that I can't imagine uses for AF stabilized TS lenses, it's more down to what cost hike that would cause and would that price increase justify the new features, considering there are already so many AF prime lenses with IS, that work just fine and cost way less than what these super TS lenses might go for.

TS lenses have always been a super niche product, so my reasoning is how many users would actually need an AF+IS+TS lens and how many *new* users would such a lens attract. If you're a photographer who shoots architecture, it's highly likely you'll plonk your gear on a tripod, AF or no AF. It's hard enough to level everything out even with a geared head, let alone handheld...

If you're just looking for a prime lens for handheld work, video or general photography, well then you're way more likely to pick up some of the VC lenses, considering they'll inherently be much cheaper, faster and have way better aperture than the TS lenses.

Considering majority of my work is done on TS lenses, I would much prefer to have the theoretical zoom feature more than anything. And I'd be willing to pay for it big bucks. 10-20 TS? Or 15-35 TS? Or heck, 24-70 TS? Boy... Those would make my loins all warm!

If Canon is sticking to primes, then trust me - I would MUCH more prefer lens collars than say AF, or IS. I don't need AF for my work, let alone IS. If the lens had it, sure, I'd probably use AF from time to time. But I often switch to MF even on my AF lenses, simply to nail the focus exactly as I want it and make sure there are no changes from shot to shot, especially when doing stacks or panoramic shifts. I think vast majority of users for Canon's TS lineup are like me. And I don't see a bunch of wedding photographers picking up sets of autofocus TS lenses to shoot bridal sets. It just doesn't make sense.
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Canon R movie mode - NO digital zoom option?

Hello,

I've tried everything, but I still can't find a digital zoom option in the movie mode menu on the original Canon R. I've checked in FHD, 25p, 50p, etc., but it never appears.

However, I keep reading that it exists.

Can anyone help me?

Thank you so much!
Do you mean “movie cropping”? That is described on page 219 of the advanced user guide, september 2020 edition for firmware 1.7.
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Canon's Tilt-Shift Evolution: What's Next?

Some people would say that's TMI, but not ME!!! I live for this kind of story!
My real story is when I was about 22, I worked in interior design and my manager and his boss were like Mr Burns and Smithers - if Mr Burns was also gay and they lived in two house right next to each other. One day we were alone looking at fabric or carpet samples and his hand went on my butt and "EricN, you don't need a girlfriend to make you feel like you want to feel..." yes creepy but also flattering to be truthful. Now if he said you don't need a girlfriend to help you buy expensive camera things... I would be living in the third house...
We had a mandatory meeting about sexual harassment on the jobsite, electricians and plumbers. At the end of the meeting, the instructor mentioned every classification protected against sexual harassment. I asked about one that wasn't mentioned, cross-dressers. The whole room lit up with laughter, except one guy, my foreman. Later in the day, a plumber asked me if I thought the foreman was a cross-dresser, I said I'll know if I see him in his neighborhood over the weekend. Someone overheard the conversation and reported me for sexual harassment. So, I visited office of equal opportunity, at the union (electricians), and acted like I had feminine mannerisms, somewhat, to avoid a write-up and it worked.
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Canon's Tilt-Shift Evolution: What's Next?

I actually did that once on a job to avoid getting written up for sexual harassment. It was over some foreman who I said was a crossdresser.
Some people would say that's TMI, but not ME!!! I live for this kind of story!
My real story is when I was about 22, I worked in interior design and my manager and his boss were like Mr Burns and Smithers - if Mr Burns was also gay and they lived in two house right next to each other. One day we were alone looking at fabric or carpet samples and his hand went on my butt and "EricN, you don't need a girlfriend to make you feel like you want to feel..." yes creepy but also flattering to be truthful. Now if he said you don't need a girlfriend to help you buy expensive camera things... I would be living in the third house...
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It’s Canon EOS R6 Mark III Week With a Fresh Teaser

The R1 is 1/200 mechanical
which was actually a little step back compared to the Canon EOS-1D X Mark III.
But no matter if it tells anything about sensor readout speed or not, mechanical flash sync at 1/320s is definetely fast :-)
(The fastest mechanical shutter sync speed I have seen, must be 1/400s with the Sony A1).
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