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EricN · Nov 4, 2025

1ll said:
Canon produced the RF 100-300mm f2.8 for $9,000. That lens is on backorder. There are many, including myself, who's willing to pay for an RF TS lens with autofocus, IBIS, and other up-to-date features.

I often see people who don't seem to have any imagination of ways to use TS with autofocus outside of the already established manual use cases.

DhlcadR6 · Nov 4, 2025

I'm more interested in the 45mm f1.2 than R6iii, since it's pretty much confirmed there's no stacked CMOS with R6iii.

DhlcadR6 · Nov 4, 2025

rombe3jr said:
Interesting discussion. I'm curious if any Canon shooters have thought about buying a Sony to experiment with some of these cheap, fast lenses. Not saying to dump Canon, but just for another option to have fun with and check these Chinese lenses out. Go with me on this journey for a couple minutes... you could buy the Canon RF 35mm f/1.4 for $1,550 USD and the RF 85mm f/1.4 for $1,650. These two lenses for $3,200 USD. Or you could buy a new Sirui Aurora 35mm f/1.4 for $550 and a Sirui Aurora 85mm f/1.4 for $440. Two similar lenses on E mount for $990 USD. That gives $2,210 USD to find a Sony camera body to play with these two lenses and who knows, maybe many more like them. One photography option, also fairly economical, would be a used A7III or A7C for about $1,000 USD on MPB. That would save $1,200 USD. But if you want to match the price of the two Canon lenses, let's say we go ahead and upgrade to the A7IV brand new for $2,000 USD, also with better video specs than the A7III (if we're into that because again, we're just playing right?). So the Sony A7IV + Sirui 35 f/1.4 + Sirui 85 f/1.4 is still $200 USD cheaper than the Canon RF 35 f/1.4 and RF 85 f/1.4. Another way to look at it is that I could buy these at the beginning of the summer and probably resell them at the end of the summer for about as much as it will cost to rent the two Canon lenses for a week. You know, I might need that money back to just buy the Canon lenses after all. But I guess the point being, if the opportunity cost to stay exclusively in Canon is so high, why not just shoot both and have some more tools in the toolbox? We are not talking about a 20% Canon premium anymore. For these two lenses alone we're talking about a 282% & 375% Canon premium.

I have tried Sony a1 while I was using R6. Yes you get many options of lens selection, but in the end there's no more than five lenses that I love&will use with my Sony all the time. (FE 20mm f1.8G, Tamron 150-500, Sigma 18-50, FE 200-600G, FE 70-200GM2)
And these lenses are not that unique to E mount, there's equivalent in RF/EF. And Sony bodies in general is inferior to Canon (2025 and still no in-body focus stacking for Sony).

The only reason to go for Sony is if you desire to purchase many lenses for a small budget.

Snapster · Nov 4, 2025

I have been considering shooting on parallel systems where I would keep my Canon to shoot action and get a Sony (A7IV) to shoot everyrhing else that doesn't require high fps.

GM 35mm 1.4 and 200-600 G are also weighing in besides third party lenses because they are better than Canons respective lenses.

The only thing that keeps me from switching is the ergonomy of holding a Sony camera, and having yet another set of batteries to charge.

Richard CR · Nov 4, 2025

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Besisika · Nov 4, 2025

rombe3jr said:
Interesting discussion. I'm curious if any Canon shooters have thought about buying a Sony to experiment with some of these cheap, fast lenses. Not saying to dump Canon, but just for another option to have fun with and check these Chinese lenses out. Go with me on this journey for a couple minutes... you could buy the Canon RF 35mm f/1.4 for $1,550 USD and the RF 85mm f/1.4 for $1,650. These two lenses for $3,200 USD. Or you could buy a new Sirui Aurora 35mm f/1.4 for $550 and a Sirui Aurora 85mm f/1.4 for $440. Two similar lenses on E mount for $990 USD. That gives $2,210 USD to find a Sony camera body to play with these two lenses and who knows, maybe many more like them. One photography option, also fairly economical, would be a used A7III or A7C for about $1,000 USD on MPB. That would save $1,200 USD. But if you want to match the price of the two Canon lenses, let's say we go ahead and upgrade to the A7IV brand new for $2,000 USD, also with better video specs than the A7III (if we're into that because again, we're just playing right?). So the Sony A7IV + Sirui 35 f/1.4 + Sirui 85 f/1.4 is still $200 USD cheaper than the Canon RF 35 f/1.4 and RF 85 f/1.4. Another way to look at it is that I could buy these at the beginning of the summer and probably resell them at the end of the summer for about as much as it will cost to rent the two Canon lenses for a week. You know, I might need that money back to just buy the Canon lenses after all. But I guess the point being, if the opportunity cost to stay exclusively in Canon is so high, why not just shoot both and have some more tools in the toolbox? We are not talking about a 20% Canon premium anymore. For these two lenses alone we're talking about a 282% & 375% Canon premium.

Late in this conversation but still interesting.
I was considering this option with a RED camera; which actually quite expensive, so I was in a very serious state of mind when considering it.
But then, I really looked at what I need, and realized that spending 6 months, just to test if I like another gear or not, is against what who I am.
I value ten times more learning my craft than finding out if a gear is worth buying or not. There is too much time and energy required in buying and selling, and testing, and comparing, and trying to match with what I have, and then .... what else? It simply not worth finding what I can find out from Youtube in a week or two. Youtube is full of lies and marketing, but if you are at that level, you will realize that 4:2:0 will never be the same as 4;2:2 regardless of who says it is not mushy. If you spent more time gaining experience you would have a very good idea.
There is so much to learn and I can't even find enough time to learn them all, why would I waste that time on testing another gear? I would consider that option only if my gear cannot do what i need it to do. That was my problem with R5; timecode and never to overheat while shooting C-log2 on a CF-express were musts for me so I complained.
I like the rectilinearity of wide-angle Viltrox lenses but I cannot have it. Is it a must? No. But i would like very much someday.

Eloniel · Nov 4, 2025

curiousMonkey said:
I like the prices I am seeing for R5 Mk2 compared to the rumored R6 Mk3 prices. Is anyone else considering the R5 Mk2 over the R6 Mk3?

That depend at what price you can get a R5 MK2 but I feel like R5 MK1, R6 MK2 and R5 MK2 are all viable alternatives to R6 Mk3 depending on your AF/MP needs and budget.
I chose the R5 MK2 due to the price I could get and the rumour of no new tilt-shift LCD mechanism for R6 MK3 (we will see if I made the right choice or not).

TexPhoto · Nov 3, 2025

Lets see your best (or worst) shots that some referee ruined.

Click · Nov 3, 2025

Another nice shot, dpc.

1ll · Nov 3, 2025

Del Paso said:
Sorry, but I really cannot see smartphones competing with TS lenses.

I mentioned the smartphone as a replacement as something thought by others of the general public. There are those who I met that think interchangeable lens cameras are obsolete. At one time, many of those people would have purchased point and shoots or cheaper versions of interchangeable lens cameras.

1ll · Nov 3, 2025

Del Paso said:
I'd happily spend $5000 on a Canon 14mm TS with automated tilt-AF. Could be extremely useful for architecture and landscapes.
Not so expensive, since it would cost about as much as a Summilux M 35mm.

P-visie said:
Adding AF and motorizing tilt and shift makes TS lenses even more complex and expensive. Some users of EF TS lenses have stated on this forum that they do not care about AF since the subject matter (architecture, landscape) encourages slow and deliberate photography.

Chinese manual focus TS lenses for RF mount (full frame) have prices between 300 (Astrhori 50mm) and 1550€ (Laowa 55 and 100mm macro).

EF TS lenses currently retail for +/- 2500€ (incl VAT). Add a 50-100% premium for AF and/or motorized TS and you get 4000-5000€ lenses. I suspect that Canon thinks that the market for these lenses is not large enough and has changed priorities.

Canon produced the RF 100-300mm f2.8 for $9,000. That lens is on backorder. There are many, including myself, who's willing to pay for an RF TS lens with autofocus, IBIS, and other up-to-date features.

curiousMonkey · Nov 3, 2025

I like the prices I am seeing for R5 Mk2 compared to the rumored R6 Mk3 prices. Is anyone else considering the R5 Mk2 over the R6 Mk3?

Del Paso · Nov 3, 2025

P-visie said:
Adding AF and motorizing tilt and shift makes TS lenses even more complex and expensive. Some users of EF TS lenses have stated on this forum that they do not care about AF since the subject matter (architecture, landscape) encourages slow and deliberate photography.

Chinese manual focus TS lenses for RF mount (full frame) have prices between 300 (Astrhori 50mm) and 1550€ (Laowa 55 and 100mm macro).

EF TS lenses currently retail for +/- 2500€ (incl VAT). Add a 50-100% premium for AF and/or motorized TS and you get 4000-5000€ lenses. I suspect that Canon thinks that the market for these lenses is not large enough and has changed priorities.

I'd happily spend $5000 on a Canon 14mm TS with automated tilt-AF. Could be extremely useful for architecture and landscapes.
Not so expensive, since it would cost about as much as a Summilux M 35mm.

Del Paso · Nov 3, 2025

1ll said:
Smartphones might be the problem. Many people feel their smartphone is every bit as good as a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera. Others prefer the simplicity of a point and shoot, which everyone has attached to their smartphone.

Sorry, but I really cannot see smartphones competing with TS lenses.

David - Sydney · Nov 3, 2025

roby17269 said:
FF is not only the camera but also the system of lenses that comes with it. Initially RF-S was lens-starved, but now with the Sigma additions it has developed into a nice little system. What I mean is that I assume that the main "lure" for EF-S holdouts is RF-S. And whoever among the EF-S holdouts was susceptible to transition to FF, most of them have probably already done so, given the time since EF(-S) has been declared "dead".
Don't they have the R50 and R100 for that? We can agree that they are limited, but so are the xxxD and xxxxD cameras...
Disclaimer: I am speculating about the market and Canon's strategy, as I do not have any data or insights beyond what we all have access to

My bad.. I didn't look up the right body. R100 is much cheaper

as per https://personal.canon.jp/product/camera/eos/ the EOS Kiss X90 (90D) is still available new
And https://personal.canon.jp/product/camera/ef#ef-s has the EF-S10-18mm F4.5-5.6 IS STM and EF-S24mm F2.8 STM still available plus stock on shelves with dealers.
so EF-S is not quite dead yet but definitely on palliative care.

* we are all speculating!

EricN · Nov 3, 2025

frankchn said:
End-of-support point for the TS-E 135L is November 2027, and unannounced (so presumably later than that) for all other current TS-E lenses: https://canon.jp/support/repair/period

This list isn't necessarily any indication of an RF timeline. You can see top sellers such as 50mm 1.8 stm have TBA or future dates, but already have RF versions.

1ll · Nov 3, 2025

frankchn said:
End-of-support point for the TS-E 135L is November 2027, and unannounced (so presumably later than that) for all other current TS-E lenses: https://canon.jp/support/repair/period

Based on that, I'll get at least 2 years of service of an EF tilt-shift lens, if I buy a new lens tomorrow.

jaygould · Nov 3, 2025

rombe3jr said:
Interesting discussion. I'm curious if any Canon shooters have thought about buying a Sony to experiment with some of these cheap, fast lenses. Not saying to dump Canon, but just for another option to have fun with and check these Chinese lenses out. Go with me on this journey for a couple minutes... you could buy the Canon RF 35mm f/1.4 for $1,550 USD and the RF 85mm f/1.4 for $1,650. These two lenses for $3,200 USD. Or you could buy a new Sirui Aurora 35mm f/1.4 for $550 and a Sirui Aurora 85mm f/1.4 for $440. Two similar lenses on E mount for $990 USD. That gives $2,210 USD to find a Sony camera body to play with these two lenses and who knows, maybe many more like them. One photography option, also fairly economical, would be a used A7III or A7C for about $1,000 USD on MPB. That would save $1,200 USD. But if you want to match the price of the two Canon lenses, let's say we go ahead and upgrade to the A7IV brand new for $2,000 USD, also with better video specs than the A7III (if we're into that because again, we're just playing right?). So the Sony A7IV + Sirui 35 f/1.4 + Sirui 85 f/1.4 is still $200 USD cheaper than the Canon RF 35 f/1.4 and RF 85 f/1.4. Another way to look at it is that I could buy these at the beginning of the summer and probably resell them at the end of the summer for about as much as it will cost to rent the two Canon lenses for a week. You know, I might need that money back to just buy the Canon lenses after all. But I guess the point being, if the opportunity cost to stay exclusively in Canon is so high, why not just shoot both and have some more tools in the toolbox? We are not talking about a 20% Canon premium anymore. For these two lenses alone we're talking about a 282% & 375% Canon premium.

This is what I did. I shoot both Sony and Canon.

frankchn · Nov 3, 2025

1ll said:
Canon is no longer manufacturing EF lenses. At some point it will manufacture an RF tilt-shift lens, I'm hoping. Then there is the end of service point for EF lenses.

End-of-support point for the TS-E 135L is November 2027, and unannounced (so presumably later than that) for all other current TS-E lenses: https://canon.jp/support/repair/period

1ll · Nov 3, 2025

Canon is no longer manufacturing EF lenses. At some point it will manufacture an RF tilt-shift lens, I'm hoping. Then there is the end of service point for EF lenses.

ctk · Nov 3, 2025

Maximilian said:
Guys, please don't expect wonders from this old and simple optical design basis. Canon hasn't found the philosopher's stone in optical designs.
But they could have found some tweaks to make it better than in the past.
There is a reason why the Sigma is big and heavy: its formula is complex with many more elements to achieve the corner to corner sharpness.
And from what I've heard the Sigmas has a busy and not so creamy bokeh.

I'd be happy if this RF45 will be sharp in the center and delivers a good bokeh.
If the AF is faster than the one of the 85STM I'd be happy.

Yep I think this is the more sound prediction. Anyone expecting corner to corner sharpness at F/1.2 for $600 is................................ optimistic is the most kind way I can put it. Look at this more like a 45/1.8 with an extra stop "in case of emergencies". Id wager the transmission wide open won't be much better than like T1.5 anyway.

1ll · Nov 3, 2025

P-visie said:
Adding AF and motorizing tilt and shift makes TS lenses even more complex and expensive. Some users of EF TS lenses have stated on this forum that they do not care about AF since the subject matter (architecture, landscape) encourages slow and deliberate photography.

Chinese manual focus TS lenses for RF mount (full frame) have prices between 300 (Astrhori 50mm) and 1550€ (Laowa 55 and 100mm macro).

EF TS lenses currently retail for +/- 2500€ (incl VAT). Add a 50-100% premium for AF and/or motorized TS and you get 4000-5000€ lenses. I suspect that Canon thinks that the market for these lenses is not large enough and has changed

BFG9000 · Nov 3, 2025

frankchn said:
That's what I did and I am very happy with my choices. I am not switching systems off Canon wholesale to another brand so much as just supplementing my existing system.

Would definitely recommend if people have the financial means.

That's exactly what I did. I bought an A1 II and now I enjoy a new whole world of lenses.

frankchn · Nov 3, 2025

rombe3jr said:
I guess my point being, if the opportunity cost to stay exclusively in Canon is so high, why not just shoot both and get a cheap Sony camera to check out some of these lenses too?

That's what I did and I am very happy with my choices. I am not switching systems off Canon wholesale to another brand so much as just supplementing my existing system.

Would definitely recommend if people have the financial means.

rombe3jr · Nov 3, 2025

Interesting discussion. I'm curious if any Canon shooters have thought about buying a Sony to experiment with some of these cheap, fast lenses. Not saying to dump Canon, but just for another option to have fun with and check these Chinese lenses out. Go with me on this journey for a couple minutes... you could buy the Canon RF 35mm f/1.4 for $1,550 USD and the RF 85mm f/1.4 for $1,650. These two lenses for $3,200 USD. Or you could buy a new Sirui Aurora 35mm f/1.4 for $550 and a Sirui Aurora 85mm f/1.4 for $440. Two similar lenses on E mount for $990 USD. That gives $2,210 USD to find a Sony camera body to play with these two lenses and who knows, maybe many more like them. One photography option, also fairly economical, would be a used A7III or A7C for about $1,000 USD on MPB. That would save $1,200 USD. But if you want to match the price of the two Canon lenses, let's say we go ahead and upgrade to the A7IV brand new for $2,000 USD, also with better video specs than the A7III (if we're into that because again, we're just playing right?). So the Sony A7IV + Sirui 35 f/1.4 + Sirui 85 f/1.4 is still $200 USD cheaper than the Canon RF 35 f/1.4 and RF 85 f/1.4. Another way to look at it is that I could buy these at the beginning of the summer and probably resell them at the end of the summer for about as much as it will cost to rent the two Canon lenses for a week. You know, I might need that money back to just buy the Canon lenses after all. But I guess the point being, if the opportunity cost to stay exclusively in Canon is so high, why not just shoot both and have some more tools in the toolbox? We are not talking about a 20% Canon premium anymore. For these two lenses alone we're talking about a 282% & 375% Canon premium.

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