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Tom R5R7 · Nov 2, 2025

Marximusprime said:
A very quick and dirty comparison shows it's roughly the size of the ef 50 1.4 with the RF adapter. The combined weight of the two is 400 g, so approximately 50 g more than the 45.View attachment 226733

Thanks. reasonable evidence.

I had forgotten about the adapter - obviously, it's necessary on all my cameras except the old 10D that I have in the display cabinet next to the Elan II, the FT, the A1 and other artifacts from yesteryear.

The 50/1.4 was that one lens that enthusiasts screamed for Canon to update, but they never did. An early, "rough" version of USM, and some variances from copy to copy. I had a fairly good one, but many did not.

Del Paso · Nov 2, 2025

A very nice series!

Click · Nov 2, 2025

Beautiful sky.

roby17269 · Nov 2, 2025

DocInfoSci said:
Hello! My thinking is this:

At the advent of the R6 / R5 there was no other R camera beyond the R and RP. RP clearly is a 6D2 successor, but I felt that the mantle moved to the R6 when it arrived and the RP simply... remained. So, in my mind, when July 9, 2020 came around the R6 was the natural successor because it had the number 6 and was priced below the R5. It cost more, yes, but so did everything Canon released around that time.

Fast forward to 2025 and I'd agree with your thinking -- or, at least, I wouldn't disagree in many conversation spaces. There's probably an argument that the R8 also exists to placate those who used to buy the x0D series as well. Maybe it does double duty?

Having owned the 80D (well, it was my wife's and now my son's), I felt it was a fun, geeky, and relatively affordable alternative to the much more expensive full frames: it gave the "feel" of an "upscale camera" as seen in the hands of the well-heeled out on holiday, like that stranger who steps onto a float plane in Alaska with their 5Dx amidst the sea of people clutching their Best Buy bodies. Canon kind of lost that feel with the R transition, I think, although cameras like the R8 are probably their attempt to at least slot in a price equivalent. I don't think the R8 spiritually captures what was happening, but it sits at a good price point in the catalog. They'd do well, I feel, to make a mini R5 body in crop form and re-introduce the X0D series as an X0R line -- and that's where the new video functionality they've been pushing for the new gen would fit very, very comfortably for people like my kiddo and his friends. But I agree, it also fills that 6D character as well -- competent, trade-offs, but serves. Someone mentioned earlier here that the R6 is kind of the 5D of yesteryear and the R5 is something new (or maybe the new 5DS/R?), in which case the R8 is now definitely the 6D equivalent.

I'll say this, though, because it's probably not obvious from my limited chatter here: I've had the privilege since 2005 to use a multitude of Canon's digital bodies -- either through ownership or via family and friends. I think they're all great for their time and serve a need or scratch an itch in one way or the other. They all take great photos when used well. I wouldn't turn down the chance to play with any! 600mm of big glass on a Rebel is so much fun, especially if you bring it along with a pal and pretend it's your serious body for the day. (And the memories it captures today are just as good as when it first hit my bag.)

And yes, the R6 captured a special place in my heart. Like the Rebel and my Mac 512ke, I'll probably never part with it even though I eventually will move forward with the times.

Feelings and numbering aside, in the DSLR era we had 3 FF bodies families (6D, 5D and 1D), now we seem to have 5 (R8, R6, R5, R3 and R1)
The transition was not 1 to 1 with the R and RP bridging the gap, and based on sensor I think initially Canon was considering replicating the same 3 EF families in the R system.
Also, we don't know if the R3 will be a one-off or not.

I guess for me it's clear that the R8 is a continuation of the 6D as the entry-level, low-cost FF camera, while the R6 seems to straddle between the lower tier and the R5 and thus it's a new family.

Not that it matters much

Only Canon knows for sure.
As long as a camera fulfills its purpose and gives you joy, that's all that matters to someone like me. The R5 and the H5X do that for me. Now lenses, that's anther topic

ctk · Nov 2, 2025

I think an integrated vertical grip would be a bad idea. They should put it in an R5/R6 shell w/the compatible add on battery grip. An R3 style body would limit its appeal.

Marximusprime · Nov 2, 2025

A very quick and dirty comparison shows it's roughly the size of the ef 50 1.4 with the RF adapter. The combined weight of the two is 400 g, so approximately 50 g more than the 45.

DhlcadR6 · Nov 2, 2025

Center sharpness, Faster AF, cheap(ish)

That's all I need.

dpc · Nov 2, 2025

DhlcadR6 · Nov 2, 2025

I've said it on CR many times. I want R7ii to have stacked CMOS so I don't need to get R5ii. And the current RF lenses&EF+speedbooster I have suits APS-C.

Old Sarge · Nov 2, 2025

Ozarker said:
Good Lord, my camera is already 7?!

They grow so fast!

Planterz · Nov 2, 2025

Traveler said:
I don't understand why no one hasn't came up with an iphone-like camera that would fix the issues that a smartphone has – because it also needs to serve as a smartphone.

Unlike all compact cameras, it would use multiple FIXED lenses or some combination of a zoom and fixed. Compact cameras rarely have anything wide because it is hard to make a small zoom that goes from ultra-wide to tele. But a combination of a zoom and fixed ~16mm would work or an array of fixed lenses. Digital zoom between them.

There was the Light L16, a bizarre camera that had 16 lenses (hence its name), although it had multiple lenses of only 3 focal lengths. The concept was that it'd use computational software to make high quality images of your desired focal length. It cost $65 million to develop and was a complete failure. Not because it didn't sell (well, yes actually) but because it didn't even work. It'd crash, fail, freeze, etc. If you happened to actually get photos, they looked lousy.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY7h6Z95syA

There's been a handful of "cameras with phones attached", notably from Samsung and Nokia. The Samsungs were Galaxy Androids. There's also been a number of phones that were designed to have camera modules attached that provide grip, shutter buttons, etc. The Xiaomi 15 Ultra is a current phone that was designed this way (and with Leica branding). There's been some kickstarter doohickeys and other kludged grips for existing phones, but these aren't quite that same idea.

Traveler · Nov 2, 2025

I don't understand why no one hasn't came up with an iphone-like camera that would fix the issues that a smartphone has – because it also needs to serve as a smartphone.

Unlike all compact cameras, it would use multiple FIXED lenses or some combination of a zoom and fixed. Compact cameras rarely have anything wide because it is hard to make a small zoom that goes from ultra-wide to tele. But a combination of a zoom and fixed ~16mm would work or an array of fixed lenses. Digital zoom between them.

Why I don't use a phone as a camera:
1) Limited physical controls
-> the screen can be smaller that the ones on a phone so there is some room for a dial or at least some buttons next/underneath. The camera can be thicker so there is a room for a shutter button or even a dial.

2) No articulated screen, this is huge for me
–> I know articulated screen adds quite some bulk to it but.. it doesn't need to be iPhone Air

3) Using my phone as a camera drains the battery
-> a dedicated camera would solve that

4) The lenses are always dirty
-> a lens cap or "shutter" mechanism or a sliding lid or anything like that

I don't mind whether it uses internal battery and memory or not. It's fine if the screen resolution is not as high as the one on a phone. I don't need cellular data in etc. Just something that fits my pocket but can do ultra wide to tele (at least 50mm)

Planterz · Nov 2, 2025

It kinda seems to me that some of the companies are paying vague attention to the digicam and compact camera resurgence with a few dipping their toes back into the water. Panasonic sorta reintroduced the TZ-95 (minus the viewfinder) as the TZ-99, Sony started making the RX100 VII again and made the VIIa for the European market, and Canon is producing the G7X III and the ELPH 360HS again. I had an ELPH 360HS, before I knew anything about "real" cameras. Now that I know more, I understand why it sucked. Initially I was surprised they chose that camera to revive, but I remembered that it was a very popular camera for them, so it makes sense.

I have a Nikon J5 with the 6.7-13mm (18-35mm equivalent) and I really like it for its wide angle range and small size. I picked it up before I got my a6700 with Sigma 10-18mm or my RX100 VII, both or which are much better cameras, but I'm keeping the J5 because it goes wider than the RX100 and it's way smaller than the a6700. I read about the DL line only recently, and lament that the line was never realized. Those would have been awesome, and if they had been made would probably be reselling for a massive premium these days. Sucks that Nikon killed the N1 line too, but I understand why. I wish they produced the V4 first though, although the 70-300mm has definite durability issues.

Cell phones killed the compact camera, but I think the revival of interest in them isn't just because of fads from tiktok or whatever. I think people are remembering (and dusting off, if they still have them) the digicams because they were more versatile and more fun to use than the 2 or 3 fixed-focus lenses on their phones. I'm hoping the few revived cameras do well, but I'm not particularly optimistic. For one, they're too expensive. The RX100 VII was already very expensive before the price increases, and now it's way too expensive. It seems almost like the G7X III's best selling point is that it's not as expensive as the RX100. They're also old. I can understand the companies not wanting to spend the money to develop new cameras at the risk of them not selling well, with it being much cheaper just to produce old ones. But that means that they also won't sell as well as new models would, leaving the companies with a false sense of the potential market.

Kalle · Nov 2, 2025

Professional compact should have a APS-C sensor and a good EVF. G-series used to be at least semipro.

Z-06 · Nov 2, 2025

Buffer and FPS matching or exceeding R5, body, dimensions, ergonomics, operations and materials of R5; I would not mind paying R6 or higher money for it. I would even sacrifice the pixel count down to 25MP or so to make it faster and less noisy. Let it be a spiritual successor of 7D MKII, which the R7 isn't.

Canon, please learn from your fellow Japanese company, ICOM when it just released the IC-7300 MKII - listen to your customers.

Michael Clark · Nov 2, 2025

Walrus said:
They are (pics where screen grabs, not even exports, to show lens used), it's just I don't have any medium/long distance shots, because I only used the combination indoor for closeup art nudes details, so the DoF is always razor thin, and it's not easy to show you examples because I have to censor the parts that are actually in focus.
I guess the following belly button, that I can post full size (hope it opens that way when you click and then zoom) and with no censor, show how sharp it felt (it's f11 in this instance), on the very thin focus plane you can see single body hairs, and the texture of the skin

View attachment 226697

This instead is the EF 70-200 f2.8 L classic (non-IS) with the same EF2.0 II extender, again at f11

View attachment 226698

At f/11 most lenses are sharp unless diffraction has already started to have a noticeable effect. I'd say the biggest difference in "sharpness" between the first and second example above is more due to the amount of light in the scene than anything else. That, and the area of sharpest focus in the second image is in the darker foreground area rather than the most brightly illuminated parts of your subject. The sharpest part of the fabric is definitely right at the foreground terminator line between shadow and light.

josephandrews222 · Nov 2, 2025

In all seriousness...with no snark intended:

Canon has really dropped the ball on this...this being a truly pocketable full-featured (rather small sensor) modern camera.

It is as if the company has lost its courage.

Ozarker · Nov 2, 2025

SvO2 said:
I don’t know how canon does things, but microstepping is a thing for stepping motors.

CNC

Ozarker · Nov 2, 2025

Canon Rumors said:
Well, Canon's not really going to appease to a camera that is 7 years old.

IS adds size and cost, and that seems to be against the two big things about this design. This is also f/1.2......

Good Lord, my camera is already 7?!

Tom R5R7 · Nov 1, 2025

Walrus said:
This is what EF 50 1.4 look on Canon R against RF 50 1.8 and Sigma 40 1.4 Art

https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/t...d-party-lens-manufacturers.43295/#post-987288

And no, it's not sharp

I was looking at the physical size, but the result is important too. I had a 50/1.4 Canon for several years. It wasn't stellar but it wasn't as soft as the images you've provided. And by f/2, it was very sharp in the middle. 2.8, sharp across the field.

I no longer have the 50/1.4 EF lens, but I do have an EF 50/1.2L. It, too, has its weaknesses, well known as characteristics of the gaussian-derived design. This new one looks like it could be an improvement on the EF 50/1.2L, but the proof is in the actual results.

I don't do a lot of imaging where the 50/1.2 would excel, so I'm not willing to spend huge money on it. But if this 45/1.2 is optically very good, I might give it a go.

Click · Nov 1, 2025

Dragon said:
Rain donuts .

Dragon · Nov 1, 2025

Click said:
Another very nice series, Dragon. Pretty cool with the raindrops.

Rain donuts

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Click · Nov 1, 2025

Another very nice series, Dragon. Pretty cool with the raindrops.

SirIssacNewton · Nov 1, 2025

A Whitetail Doe, her fawn and Granny! Taken with my Canon R8 and RF 600mm f11

Dragon · Nov 1, 2025

Hummingbird reflections continued---. This is a Canon new FD 500mm f/8 mirror lens on the M6 II as it has more aggressive focus peaking than the R7. This lens has a better t-stop than the Solid Cat and one of the easiest to focus. MFD is about 13 ft, so workable for my small birds. A dark and rainy day, so all shot at ISO 6400 and pushed at least a stop in post, so effectively 12,800. DXO PhotoLab did the best job of recovering detail and color followed by Topaz for sharpening. The birds were hungry in the cold weather, so lots of opportunity for shots. All handheld at 1/640, so right on the edge of motion blur from both the camera and the birds.

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