Dragon said:

Very nice images.

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Thank you @Dragon!

Well, I'm sort of laughing at myself. My original R is starting to maybe be getting old? It still looks new, actually, but this might be a good budget upgrade? Dang. This thing sounds like a sports car to me.

AlanF said:

Antiques are expensive.

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Then the 1DX should be even more expensive, but it's not.

Brown said:

It's not as cheap as it should be, at this point.
I want to pay less than I did for my 1DX.
It feels like a bad deal otherwise.

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Antiques are expensive.

On the topic of retro-looking lenses, the 50/1.8 is about as retro an optics design as it gets. What's more retro than the good old 50/1.8 Gaussian optics design?

Although I wouldn't feel bad if it had an actual working aperture ring and distance scale with depth-of-field guide marks on it like lenses of that era. Something like the FD 50 f/2, FD 85/1.8, or FD 28 f/2. Something that fit the time frame in both looks and function. Of course, it would still be an AF lens, but with manual focus and all that it entails. Same with the aperture.

Do we know if the R8 mkII will only be available in a retro-design, or will it come with the "regular" design aswell?

As I see it - Canon will have minimal "upgrade-space" without making the price jump up to R6 mkII.
But it would'nt make sense that the only difference between the R8 and the R8 mkII is the retro design.

The only things that make me consider the R6 mkII over the original R8 are:
- Battery-life
- Recording time in 4k30/60 without overheating
- Mechanical shutter (for use with studioblitz)
. IBIS

As I said - I know most of it cannot be implemented before the price equals the R6 mkII, but I hope at least the first two can be implemented with a slightlig bigger camerabody for more batteryspace and coolingvents.. Maybe change the cardslot to CFexpress Type B instead of making a 2-slot solution. Fullsize HDMI-output.

Canon Rumors said:

I don't like the ring of inputs around the “set” button on Canon's non-scroll-wheel. It's super annoying with my big hands, and it doesn't need to be there. I can't stress how much I hate that thing.

See full article...

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I don´t like the d-pad (or whatever the correct name is) as well and I also have trouble using because of my big hands. But without a joystick it is the only way of moving the AF areas manually without using the screen. Therefore, if Canon would ditch the d-pad as well and opt not give the camera a joystick, the camera would be a hard pass for me. Maybe they could just improve the ergonomics a bit if they choose not to have a joystick. A scroll wheel is also just an option as long as you have a joystick as well.

Uneternal said:

Just get an R6 Mark II then.
If they did all of that, nobody would buy the R6 Mark II, you would essentially get an R6 Mark II copy in a smaller form factor, for cheaper. How would you, as a company, make sure people still spend more money on the R6 II? Crippling the burst mode is certainly not gonna cut it.

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The different control layout and design would be the differentiator. And a smaller form factor with a smaller battery may keep the size and profile smaller than the r6 II. in any case, canon isn’t producing the r6 ii anymore. But yeah if the R8 ii has to compete with the r6 ii used it might be difficult

blackcoffee17 said:

Im not expecting anything but many things could be improved... better thermals

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Is that necessary with the (presumed) introduction of the R6V for lower-end full frame video?

Uneternal said:

How would you, as a company, make sure people still spend more money on the R6 II?

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By presenting it in neo-retro kitsch.

Brown said:

Aside from the "retro" aesthetic, what are you expecting from the mark II that the original doesn't provide?

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Im not expecting anything but many things could be improved: Adding a joystick, better thermals, improved EVF

The R8, albeit not being a great all-around camera, is the closest thing you'll get to a perfectly small, compact ff and very capable camera for occasions you need or wish to pack light. Just a few tweaks would turn it into a perfect camera for such events. It seems like a lot of people are posting "just change this one thing and baaam... perfect". This "one thing" is very different for everybody. For me, the one thing would be a joystick. First day preorder improvement.

Canon could improve the R8 with the following implementations:
1. IBIS
2. Joystick
3. scroll wheel
4. mechanical shutter to protect the shutter when lenses are switched (or something to replace that and protect the sensor)
5. pre-capture
6. Improved AF
7. new sensor
8. new screen
9. improved EVF
10. dual card slots
11. improved focus peaking (I didn't think of it, it is CR guys wish)

Of all these things, I figure a maximum of two feature would/ could happen.

Interestingly, I believe the R8 model could be a great camera to test a new screen mechanism. The flippy screen was introduced on rebel cameras like the 750d but wasn't used on any of the professional full frame DSLR. It made its entry to full frame with the EOS R. Maybe this time Canon will test it with a lower model in the line up as well and then implement it in the R7/6/5/1 line up.

esspy2 said:

I would like them to include IBIS so they could make their lenses smaller. It would also make Canon’s smallest lenses, the 50mm, the 16mm, and the 28mm more usable in low light. I don’t want to shoot everything at night with a shallow depth of field. If Ricoh could fit IBIS in their GR series, then Canon should be able to do it on the R8 Mark II! The battery problem can be solved with a LP-E6P but I’m not in favor of increasing the bulk and weight that much and would be happy with the LP-E17 if they can make sure it charges fast enough from USB-C.

I would also be happy if they were able to keep the costs down by re-using the existing 24MP sensor, but I have a feeling the 33MP sensor is the new norm and that canon is scheduling the death of their 24MP sensor now to take advantage of industry scaling.

Lastly I would like to see some weather sealing to make the camera safer to take out when it’s raining. Of course I’d like to see some more weather sealed, small, non-L lenses, but that’s probably the hardest to ask of these three requests!

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Just get an R6 Mark II then.
If they did all of that, nobody would buy the R6 Mark II, you would essentially get an R6 Mark II copy in a smaller form factor, for cheaper. How would you, as a company, make sure people still spend more money on the R6 II? Crippling the burst mode is certainly not gonna cut it.

I really don't like the idea of turning the R8 successor in some kind of "retro-not-really-retro" camera. Seems like it'll mess the R8 and won't appeal to the purists. My fear is that the retro design and maybe the redistribution of the button and wheel layout to give a retro look will mess up the camera. Sure, Canon has a good market research department and probably knows what they're doing, but companies can be wrong at times, too.

I've always envisioned my dream zoom lens, and 20-50 F4 (or equivalent) is it. just not too thrilled about it being a power zoom.. i like to manually zoom.

Sporgon said:

It looks to me as if DXOmark may have stopped assessing camera sensors

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Probably they reviewed the Sony A9III and decided camera sensors had reached their pinnacle of awesomeness and they could hang it up. Then they added one more test of a rangefinder from a brand I've never heard of (Pixii), but it seems to be a French product so that's why.

Andreasb said:

Sorry but I see this as a distraction and a bit of a waste of time, but that's just me, I guess, whatever turns your fancy.

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You're on a rumor site, it's all about distraction, dreams, and wasting a bit of time...

I think rather than silver it would look distinctive and different if they did more with the darker gray color used on the RF mount and would fit in with the lens lineup better.

I have been looking at the R8 as my travel camera. My R5 is to heavy with it L bracket attached and really not needed for those type travel photos IMO.
I would like to see a joy stick for moving focusing point and quick control dial.

I doubt the new R8 will get dual card slots or IBIS. Basically a new sensor and updated AF, but the same limits to separate it from the R6 series will remain.

Sorry but I see this as a distraction and a bit of a waste of time, but that's just me, I guess, whatever turns your fancy.

I think Canon should concentrate on getting a worthy follow up to the R8 and revitalize their AP-C line, all are looking long in the tooth, and maybe even a few worthy AP-C lenses, RF-S 15-85mm F4, Please!

And maybe even an enthusiast compact, 24 mp, 1 inch, 24-105 equivalent lens.

That would make me happy

I would like them to include IBIS so they could make their lenses smaller. It would also make Canon’s smallest lenses, the 50mm, the 16mm, and the 28mm more usable in low light. I don’t want to shoot everything at night with a shallow depth of field. If Ricoh could fit IBIS in their GR series, then Canon should be able to do it on the R8 Mark II! The battery problem can be solved with a LP-E6P but I’m not in favor of increasing the bulk and weight that much and would be happy with the LP-E17 if they can make sure it charges fast enough from USB-C.

I would also be happy if they were able to keep the costs down by re-using the existing 24MP sensor, but I have a feeling the 33MP sensor is the new norm and that canon is scheduling the death of their 24MP sensor now to take advantage of industry scaling.

Lastly I would like to see some weather sealing to make the camera safer to take out when it’s raining. Of course I’d like to see some more weather sealed, small, non-L lenses, but that’s probably the hardest to ask of these three requests!

Uneternal said:

Agree to everything but the tilt screen. We certainly don't need another camera like the R100 with a fixed screen. Fully articulating screens have the advantage that you can use them for selfies, even on a tripod and with an attached flash.

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I hope they don't appeal to the selfie demographic.
They're already catered to by 95% of the market.

blackcoffee17 said:

I hope they don't mess up the R8 with some retro BS and increased EVF bump. A little bit of styling is fine but keep the camera size.

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Aside from the "retro" aesthetic, what are you expecting from the mark II that the original doesn't provide?