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1) I had already my EF800mm F5.6 bought in Japan through Ebay cheaper than on MBP who is too expensive
I sold my R5 and many others material to buy a R3 used and I don't regret it .. R3 is fabulous and the combination of F5.6 of the EF800mm and the very good iso capacity of R3 make me happy

2) I've learned that, like with cars, buying new doesn't make any difference

3) "Very low cost" in front of a RF800mm and a R3 new of course!!

4) the F9 of the RF200-800mm wasn't too low for me

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What's the combo like for birds in flight?

All of the VCM primes have a 67mm filter thread. Keeping those dimensions with a 105/1.4 is not possible, it would need at least a 77mm filter thread. A 105/1.7 or 135/2.2 could work though.

Seems a potential replacement for the 17-55. But 67mm lens? The 17-55 was 77mm and had a large lens hood to go with it. The small lens hoods on wide angle lenses are almost not worth it. Plus it would mean carting around 67 and 77 mm filters.
The 17-55 seems to be at a time Canon appeared to support APS-C for pro's. I've also had some good shots from the 10-22 (also 77mm (but the lens hood is not so great, I have to say), so my "goto" kit had 77mm filters.

Swurre said:

We need the RF 50mm f1,2 Mark II and the RF 85mm f1,2 Mark II, let´s hope they are on the way.

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Nope - many more holes to fill in the lineup before we "need" a mk II version of lenses that work great

A clever move would be presenting the R8 mk2 and R10 mk2 at the same time in the similar retro design.

Swurre said:

We need the RF 50mm f1,2 Mark II and the RF 85mm f1,2 Mark II, let´s hope they are on the way.

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We need = I need

We need the RF 50mm f1,2 Mark II and the RF 85mm f1,2 Mark II, let´s hope they are on the way.

This is today's camera market. One of my oldest cameras is my best looking camera.

Del Paso said:

Sounds reasonable!
I can only hope Canon are not too late to the party.
Some trends and fashions are soon over...

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Canon has good good information about the camera market. I suspect that the retro look will be with us for a while, Fujifilm’s appeal is, for a large part, based on the retro-look. Their X100-IV has good sales numbers.

P-visie said:

From a 2025 interview with Phototrend on retro camera’s: “And we really focus on the ergonomics of the grip, the positioning of the dials, the buttons and other elements. So if we were to do that with the design of the AE-1, would it really achieve the kind of ergonomics and usability that we need in a Canon camera? That's the big question.”

This suggest that a retro camera by Canon will have similar ergonomics to what we are used to in the R-series.

See: https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-executives-discuss-retro-camera-design-hello-canon-eos-re-1/

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Sounds reasonable!
I can only hope Canon are not too late to the party.
Some trends and fashions are soon over...

AJ said:

Maybe a R8a is not so weird? After a long shift away from astro, Canon has recently got back into the astro game with lenses like RF 14/1.4. A camera body to go with it makes sense to me.

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The rf14/1.4 is canon’s only option and is expensive. Clearly not only for Astro and is a compromise compared to a dedicated Astro lens. Make it cheaper and lighter without AF. Add a focus lock, dew heater area and it would be more attractive to me for Milky Way. I’ll shoot at twilight for foreground or very long exposures at night / noisy or use the excellent rf20/1.4
14/1.4 would be great for aurora though

To save me from being disappointed, I only expect a silver top and better video specs.
But I hope for a style like my eos 50e or a box like the A7c.
Anyway, it needs an up-down tiltable screen to make me sell my R8.

neuroanatomist said:

MPB pricing right now is ~$5K for the EF 800/5.6L and ~$3.5K for the R3. I doubt many people would characterize $8500 as 'very low cost'. The R6II + 200-800 will also give very good results, for $4200 brand new. Just sayin'.

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neuroanatomist said:

MPB pricing right now is ~$5K for the EF 800/5.6L and ~$3.5K for the R3. I doubt many people would characterize $8500 as 'very low cost'. The R6II + 200-800 will also give very good results, for $4200 brand new. Just sayin'.

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neuroanatomist said:

MPB pricing right now is ~$5K for the EF 800/5.6L and ~$3.5K for the R3. I doubt many people would characterize $8500 as 'very low cost'. The R6II + 200-800 will also give very good results, for $4200 brand new. Just sayin'.

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1) I had already my EF800mm F5.6 bought in Japan through Ebay cheaper than on MBP who is too expensive
I sold my R5 and many others material to buy a R3 used and I don't regret it .. R3 is fabulous and the combination of F5.6 of the EF800mm and the very good iso capacity of R3 make me happy

2) I've learned that, like with cars, buying new doesn't make any difference

3) "Very low cost" in front of a RF800mm and a R3 new of course!!

4) the F9 of the RF200-800mm wasn't too low for me

justaCanonuser said:

I am also with you when it gets to a retro camera. I posted recently an example from Nikon that is boldly overdesigned with wheels and buttons, obviously for young people who think that the original cameras from the 70s and 80s looked like that. But, in fact, the famous F series cameras from Nikon, as an example, had a very clean design with no bells and whistles. So I think Canon designers have too much a tradition to make cameras that support photographic flow to create such a ridiculous design accident like e.g. Nikon's Zfc. I am pretty sure if one tries to use this camera with its wheel "pyramids" on the top plate in a more manual mode, one has always to put down this camera before shooting and first seek the right wheel to rotate.

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From a 2025 interview with Phototrend on retro camera’s: “And we really focus on the ergonomics of the grip, the positioning of the dials, the buttons and other elements. So if we were to do that with the design of the AE-1, would it really achieve the kind of ergonomics and usability that we need in a Canon camera? That's the big question.”

This suggest that a retro camera by Canon will have similar ergonomics to what we are used to in the R-series.

See: https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-executives-discuss-retro-camera-design-hello-canon-eos-re-1/

blackcoffee17 said:

I love my R8, the AF and image quality are amazing. I never missed IBIS. I would prefer other updates instead: a joystick, some weather sealing, improved EVF, bigger battery (Sony can do it in the similarly sized A7C), better app connectivity (it works but connection is slow, there is no excuse in 2026 for a bluetooth / wifi connection to take 10+ seconds and often to fail first time). IBIS and dual card slots can stay as R6 features.

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Hopefully the R8 will get the update where you can choose either 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz Wi-fi. 5Ghz works a lot faster on my R6 II but it does disconnect sometimes.

Budget aside, I’d say it depends on if you need the advanced video features of the C50 – time coding, XLR inputs, etc., or if you’d benefit more from the IBIS of the R6 V.

Exploreshootshare said:

So R100ii? Maybe with a fully articulated screen so Richard won't get mad

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Buy the CF-R20EP GRIP. Problem solved.

Rceres said:

¿Soy el único que anhela una cámara de alta resolución enfocada en fotografía que restablezca el liderazgo de Canon en calidad de imagen y compita con la A7R vi? Canon es el fabricante de lentes de 35 mm con la calidad de cristal necesaria para aprovechar al máximo un sensor de 100 MP. Canon, por favor, dame una razón para quedarme.

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Estoy exactamente en la misma situación. Tengo un montón de objetivos Canon y estoy casi listo para comprar la A7R.

justaCanonuser said:

Minolta was pioneer in bringing phase detection AF to the market. Leitz (Leica) developed that technology together with Minolta, and then the Leitz management decided that true photographers won't ever use AF. So they sold their patents to Minolta - and that was the beginning of the end of Leica as a pro photography supplier.

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I believe it began much earlier, Leica's SLRs never had a real chance as a supplier to professionals. Especially Nikon F and F2 cameras, with their interchangeable viewfinders, their extremely wide range of lenses, including useful zooms, fisheyes, motor drives, film magazines etc... matched pro's needs much better than the Leicaflexes.
And then came the cooperation-born R3, nice, but technically behind most Japanese models, and later the unreliable R4.
Leitz had simply taken the SLR train too late, with little conviction and money.
Much earlier, Correfot could have become their chance to be ahead of competition again. Alas, the backwards thinking management, after having despised Japanese innovation, rejected their last chance.
PS: I had several Leica R winders and motor drives (made in Austria by Eumig). None lasted longer than a year or 2, and all my R cameras shed their brittle cheap plastic body parts very quickly.
But the APO lenses, still extraordinary on my EOS R 5II...

GMCPhotographics said:

Yes, in the article that spawned this thread, the writer says "Canon doesn't make “pretty” cameras. Take the R5 Mark II or EOS R6 Mark III—neither of those cameras is particularly good-looking."
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It is indeed a matter of taste. When I got my 5D III in 2012, I really fell in love with how this camera fits in my hands, and how solid it feels. I also liked its rounded contours. Same with my R5 II now, it fits perfectly in my hand, very clean design for a modern camera, and it is surprisingly small and light, compared with the Nikon Z8 of my wife. The Z8 is also quite a nice camera, but a bit more clumsy and "edgy" - but that's my very personal taste, of course.

I am also with you when it gets to a retro camera. I posted recently an example from Nikon that is boldly overdesigned with wheels and buttons, obviously for young people who think that the original cameras from the 70s and 80s looked like that. But, in fact, the famous F series cameras from Nikon, as an example, had a very clean design with no bells and whistles. So I think Canon designers have too much a tradition to make cameras that support photographic flow to create such a ridiculous design accident like e.g. Nikon's Zfc. I am pretty sure if one tries to use this camera with its wheel "pyramids" on the top plate in a more manual mode, one has always to put down this camera before shooting and first seek the right wheel to rotate.

jo6466 said:

Very good results for a very low cost

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MPB pricing right now is ~$5K for the EF 800/5.6L and ~$3.5K for the R3. I doubt many people would characterize $8500 as 'very low cost'. The R6II + 200-800 will also give very good results, for $4200 brand new. Just sayin'.

Maximilian said:

My brother had the T90. Great tool for its time (1986!).
TBH, Minolta (now Sony) went that way even 1 year earlier with the 7000, but not with the full consequence that Canon did in cooperation with Colani.
My cousin hat the 7000. Also an impressing tool for its time. (first SLR with a full AF system ever!).

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Minolta was pioneer in bringing phase detection AF to the market. Leitz (Leica) developed that technology together with Minolta, and then the Leitz management decided that true photographers won't ever use AF. So they sold their patents to Minolta - and that was the beginning of the end of Leica as a pro photography supplier.

AlanF said:

He even redesigned his own name so it fitted his own form - from Lutz to Luigi.

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Yes, and he was not only in Germany, but in Japan extremely popular, I learned. In fact, he moved in the early 70s to Japan and founded a Colani Design Center and in the 80s he was indeed for some years chief designer of Canon.