mangobutter said:

EOS M6/M6 II were such rockstar cameras with superb controls and layout. a shame no successor. and the 22-2 pancake was so good.

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I agree. I still shoot videos of my newborn every day with M6ii + 22mm, even though I have bigger and "better" R cameras available. Such a great camera, I will never sell it.

Exploreshootshare said:

Can you give us a hint? For me, it doesn’t have to be exact

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rumors typically aren't exact by their nature

Maximilian said:

My opinion is, that every tool that delivers best ergonomics is "pretty".

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I'm in your club - it's the classic idea of "form follows function" (what some designers hate - they want you to adapt your body shape to their murderous torture-chairs, not vice versa). With the Canon T90, German designer Luigi Colani had quite an impact on modern camera ergonomics in way that the T90 today looks like a typical SLR body, not spectacular. To me, that's the spirit of well-thought-through design: it survives over decades.

RX100 fighter pretty pretty please

Exploreshootshare said:

So R100ii? Maybe with a fully articulated screen so Richard won't get mad

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Retro-style R100ii with no screen at all. Hurry up and preorder!

mangobutter said:

we need pocket size full frame and aps-c cameras. Think the EOS M6 line and equivalent 22-2 pancake. and a teeny tiny full frame box with a 40mm 2.8 pancake. i'd be in heaven if either came out.

EOS M6/M6 II were such rockstar cameras with superb controls and layout. a shame no successor. and the 22-2 pancake was so good.

Everyone else makes a FF box. why can't canon? Think Panasonic S9. I want my tiny Canon boxes with tiny lenses.

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Yes! Absolutely. The EOS M6 and M6II were two of my all time favorite cameras ever. I had the silver top style. You’d be surprised how many strangers asked me: “Is that a film camera?”

The R6V is not quite the tiny box camera I hoped - it is a bit thick and chunky. But a step in the right direction.

Del Paso said:

Best looking cameras (fully subjective!!!) : Nikon F2, Nikon F, Canon F1, Leicaflex SL, Leica M4, Rolleiflex Planar f/2,8, Pentax Spotmatic, OM 4, Minolta SRT 303, Hasselblad 500 CM and sooo many more!
And then came the not so good looking digitals...
And yes, I'm no longer 20 years old!

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My Hassy X2D II is quite the looker

Just my opinion but all new cameras are as ugly a s stump fence.
I find it quite ironic that camera companies are afraid of color.

Any customer can have a car camera painted any color that he wants so long as it is black,

Pretty sure it is the new R3 mkii

Maximilian said:

Sorry, I forgot that one

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Memory lapses occur more often as you age

mangobutter said:

we need pocket size full frame and aps-c cameras. Think the EOS M6 line and equivalent 22-2 pancake. and a teeny tiny full frame box with a 40mm 2.8 pancake. i'd be in heaven if either came out.

EOS M6/M6 II were such rockstar cameras with superb controls and layout. a shame no successor. and the 22-2 pancake was so good.

Everyone else makes a FF box. why can't canon? Think Panasonic S9. I want my tiny Canon boxes with tiny lenses.

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I know, right? Just use the M6II body with the insides from the R7. No need for redesign anything or think about new ergonomics.

What happened to the idea that the next 24-70 would be wider than 24mm, if this is accurate then that has been abandoned?

Maximilian said:

You're referring to the OM-5 (Mark II)? Or the Leica M5?

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I was referring to the Canon EOS M5

millan said:

"Canon doesn't make “pretty” cameras."
Who does? Leica? Nikon? It's a subjective matter. BTW, I won't by a camera I don't like regardless the best specifications it would have. How abou you?

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Best looking cameras (fully subjective!!!) : Nikon F2, Nikon F, Canon F1, Leicaflex SL, Leica M4, Rolleiflex Planar f/2,8, Pentax Spotmatic, OM 4, Minolta SRT 303, Hasselblad 500 CM and sooo many more!
And then came the not so good looking digitals...
And yes, I'm no longer 20 years old!

Maximilian said:

You're referring to the OM-5 (Mark II)? Or the Leica M5?

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The sadly unsuccessful Leica M5 has always been my favourite M camera. It was ergonomically perfect, even for large hands. Selecting the shutter speed was much easier than on the other Ms, and it had a perfectly implemented TTL metering system. My next favourite was the M 240, also criticised by Leica fans as being a bit too fat...
The OMs had shutter speed, focus and aperture selection all aligned in one plane, which I deeply hated! I almost never used my OM 2...And yet, they were fine cameras.
So, Maximilian, I could not agree more, ergonomics matter far more than design!
Just a detail: The first Olympus FF film cameras were initially named M1. Leica didn't like it, so they were renamed OM 1 etc...

"Canon doesn't make “pretty” cameras."
Who does? Leica? Nikon? It's a subjective matter. BTW, I won't by a camera I don't like regardless the best specifications it would have. How abou you?

Time to start swapping out the old ones!

Fixed-lens full-frame camera. It's time.

Rceres said:

Am I the only one here yearning for a hi-res stills focused camera that re establishes Canon’s image quality leadership and competes with the A7R vi? Canon is the 35mm lens manufacturer with the quality glass that can truly utilize a 100 mp sensor. Canon, please give me a reason to stay.

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My 5DSr still takes very fine pictures. Many say the R5 is as sharp or sharper, but I have both and I think the 5DSr has a slight edge in sharpness, but the R5 wins hands down for DR. 100.6 MP is the magic number for 12k video and that would be another first for Canon after the R5 being first with 8k. OTOH, 8k video doesn't seem to be jumping off the shelves and that is clearly due to the combination of the limits of human visual acuity and practical screen size. Optimal viewing distance for 1080P is 3 picture heights, which puts 4k at 1.5 and 8k at .75 with 12k at .5. That is to say you need an 8ft high wall to be the screen and you are only sitting 4 ft from it. The problem with that is that most of the screen is now relegated to peripheral vision, which has lousy resolution.

There is also a very limited number of lenses (in any catalog) that will do any kind of justice to a 100MP FF camera. Roger Cicala did some tests of the best lenses around a few years ago https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/10/more-ultra-high-resolution-mtf-experiments/ that show what happens to MTF at very high resolutions. 100MP on a FF sensor translates to 170 lp/mm and you can see from the charts that the MTF of even the best lenses is pretty poor in that range. An R5 pixel grid is over 110 lp/mm and the R7 about 150 lp/mm and we still only get lens MTF curves that are specified up to 30 lp/mm. The linked article and the one previous that Roger wrote, show that a good MTF at 30 lp/mm says very little about what the lens can do at 150 or 200 lp/mm.

Last, but not least is the matter of diffraction. As I recall, the R7 enters the diffraction zone at about f/5.4, so even a perfect lens is going to lose ground if it is stopped down very far.

I have longed for a FF body that had at least the pixel density of an R7 so I could have a wider field of view to find and capture birds at that resolution, but Roger's tests show that even though the wider field may help me find the bird, I had better get it centered in the lens before hitting the shutter because there are virtually no lenses that have that kind of MTF in the periphery. That is a hidden benefit of crop frame cameras -- they use the best part of a FF lens.

SnowMiku said:

In your article you typed "EOS 7D Mark II?"

I think an R8 II would be perfect if they just added a joystick, the R10 has one so I don't think it's too much to ask. They could always keep the original R8 in the lineup to replace the RP and have the retro R8 II.

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I have said that I want the R7ii to be a new APS-C sensor in an R6iii body. I’ll continue this and say I want the R8ii to be an R10 body with the R6iii sensor. Of course many want IBIS and rumors basically confirm the retro styling so that isn’t likely to be what we will get. Either way I’m not interested in the R7 odd joystick wheel.

Perhaps the two new cameras are the R8ii and R10ii with the same body and features just varying by FF vs APS-C sensors. And we still have to wait for R7ii.

I strongly feel it's either R10 mk2 or R50 mk2 but definitely not R7 mk2.

Maximilian said:

That's very much in the eye of the beholder.
What makes a camera pretty or even iconic?
My opinion is, that every tool that delivers best ergonomics is "pretty".


And even this design maybe finds people that will call it "pretty",
Not me, by the way.

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I personally think the M5 looks "pretty" with the dark grey finish at the top and the hot shoe. Not as ergonomic as the bigger bodies though.