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neuroanatomist · Dec 5, 2025

Disdain? Canon extracts substantial profit from the APS-C market!

snegri45 said:
By its policy Canon lost out on about $ 4-5 K in lens purchases. Good job, guys!

I'm sure Canon felt the pain of losing that revenue. What is $5,000 divided by $1,137,803,014 (Canon's camera+lens revenue for 2024)? I'll let you do the math on that one.

MSH411 said:
Pretty valid rant snegri45 that I've heard many stating the same. Canon isn't listening.

Why should Canon listen to the 'many' ranting about this? By the way, how many is many? How does the number of people you hear stating this compare to the 2,840,000 cameras that Canon sold last year?

I get that some people want 'high end' APS-C cameras and lenses. Fuji makes them. Last year, Fuji sold 490,000 cameras. Canon sold 790,000 DSLRs, most of them entry level / low cost APS-C cameras. What does that say about the demand for cheap, entry level vs. high end APS-C cameras?

Ranting is all well and good. About as effective as pissing into the wind, but I guess that makes some people feel better, too.

Incidentally, I am well-invested in the EOS M system. I started with the original EOS M in the USA 'fire sale' soon after launch, well before it went on to become the globally best-selling MILC line (at it's peak 17% of all cameras sold in the world had an EOS M badge). I have all of the EF-M lenses and I really enjoy using my full spectrum M6.

But given that Canon ended the M line and went all-in on RF, and their market share has remained a dominant near-50% (and more significantly, has maintained that through the transition from DSLR to MILC), it's clear that they know what they're doing in terms of strategy. You are welcome to argue that they are making mistakes, just as you are welcome to argue that the earth is flat.

roby17269 · Dec 5, 2025

Michael Clark said:
I categorically do not agree with that statement. Sometimes it is "better". Sometimes it is not.

If gear from a system recently removed from a manufacturer's catalog that still qualifies for warranty/repair work meets a buyers needs at a much lower cost than the brightest, shiniest, expensive new products then I think the better choice is the older system. I've cameras and lenses from the EOS EF system that have not been produced in well over a decade. They all still work as well as when they were new and are sometimes as good a choice as any of my newer gear for many use cases.

One of my most used lenses to this day is the EF 24-70mm f/2.8 L discontinued in 2012. Is it as clinically sharp as the 2012 replacement EF 24-70mm f/2.8 L II? No, it isn't. But unless you've got the later on a camera mounted on a tripod using mirror lockup and wired cable release you can rarely tell the difference in real world usage. The difference in resolution between the two, assuming both are in proper optical alignment, is less than what you lose shooting handheld in medium or marginal light.

Probably my second most used lens is an EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS II bought in 2010. It was discontinued in 2018. I had the IS unit replaced in 2019 when it began to vibrate in certain orientations with respect to gravity. The repair cost around $400 from CPS. Today it's as sharp, maybe even slightly sharper, than when it was brand new over 15 years ago. And it's sharper than the RF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS according to most online tests I've seen. It isn't as light or as compact when zoomed out to 70mm as the newer RF model, but that's never bothered me.

Fine, we agree to disagree then.

I shoot with a dead system (Hasselblad HC) and I'm under no illusion that it is not indeed dead. I have accepted the risks and limitations which come with using a dead system because it offers me something I value, although that will not last forever.

If you do not want to call EF "dead" that's your prerogative. I know I won't convince you otherwise, as you will not convince me that EF is not dead. Your 70-200 (I had the same lens by the way and liked it a lot, but eventually switched to mostly primes and sold it to reduce the cost of a EF 200 f/2L IS) was repaired while it was still a supported lens - it'd be interesting to see the costs to do the same kind of repairs once 7 years have passed from the discontinuation date (maybe it has happened already?)

Click · Dec 5, 2025

The lighting on the bird's eye is perfect on this one.

roby17269 · Dec 5, 2025

Traveler said:
I’d be also fine with 3fps for most things (however pre shooting and tens of fps opens new doors).
But I prefer better choices rather than more choices. And this is different for every photographer.

Yes of course, I always state my own wants and desires, I have no problems with others having different priorities...

If I were in Africa on a safari I would most likely up fps to > 3... but the first time I was there I had the original 5D and I managed with 3fps.
Of course there are circumstances with moving subjects when high fps and pre-capture can be beneficial... but at the same time I am not a fan of having to sift through a lot more photos after.

Better choices are even better, but a) Canon is not currently making some lenses that Sigma offers... and b) I would not call the latest Sigma offerings "bad"
If Canon was to offer, say, a 35 1.2 I would be the very first to pre-order it. But they do not yet. Sigma does.

roby17269 · Dec 5, 2025

DhlcadR6 said:
Is millions of 35/50/85mm what you want.

Millions? Overstating much?

Well, I would be perfectly content with Canon opening just to Sigma FF lenses. But there are other manufacturers that make unique lenses that may appeal to others.
Sigma specifically for the 35 1.2 and the 200 2. And maybe the 135 1.4.
Correct me if I am wrong but I do not think Canon is making those for RF. And 2 of those were never made for EF too.
If Canon was to offer them, I'd prefer to buy their ones. But they do not make them now. Maybe they will but I am taking photos in the present.

I can see how opening the mount could affect Canon... I fail to see how that would threaten consumers though

leamas · Dec 5, 2025

I hope I'm not the only one to request these things for the R5 mark ii, but I consider that adding the extended video features in firmware will make it a world class product:
- support for recording 8k60p video in codec form
- support for oversampled 4k60p video (4K HQ)

jamtra · Dec 5, 2025

Kiton said:
Jim, make sure you have some spare batteries, this camera seems to be a power pig. Or the 6P is the lessor brother of the 6H, or a little of both.

I shot a red carpet with the 6m2, 1200 images over 3 hours with the flash trigger and had 20% left with a single battery.
Shot 150 frames with the 6m3 and it used most of 2 batteries in the grip just being powered on for the 3 hours of the event.

2 days ago I shot a concert and at 6400 iso, the 6m3 performed very, very well.
Shooting NHL next week, that will be the first real test of the auto focus if I get a downstairs window, upstairs is a useless gauge of AF.

I just did a wrestling meet and shot over 7500 pictures in 2 hours with r6 mark3. Used just about half of one battery. No flash.

AlanF · Dec 5, 2025

ISv said:
Very nice shots Alan! If you had at least little bit more light on the eyes I would say great shots! Next time (and if it comes closer to you...)!

You mean like this?

Kiton · Dec 5, 2025

Jim, make sure you have some spare batteries, this camera seems to be a power pig. Or the 6P is the lessor brother of the 6H, or a little of both.

I shot a red carpet with the 6m2, 1200 images over 3 hours with the flash trigger and had 20% left with a single battery.
Shot 150 frames with the 6m3 and it used most of 2 batteries in the grip just being powered on for the 3 hours of the event.

2 days ago I shot a concert and at 6400 iso, the 6m3 performed very, very well.
Shooting NHL next week, that will be the first real test of the auto focus if I get a downstairs window, upstairs is a useless gauge of AF.

Ozarker · Dec 5, 2025

snegri45 · Dec 5, 2025

I bought a Digital Rebel with the 18-55 kit lens in September 2003 and upgraded regularly through the T6s. Eventually I also got three 5D series bodies. I had been using the EOS system since 1993, so I was well equipped with EF lenses and Speedlites.

My main problem was the lack of wide primes and fast zooms. The EF-S 17-55/2,8 was great, but it had L size and price. Eventually two Tokina f/2.8 zooms made up a variant of the Holy Trinity.

But for primes I only found three, the 24/2.8 pancake, the 60 macro and one more. For a while I used the EF 28/1.8 as a normal lens, but the results were suboptimal. Eventually a Sigma 30/1.4 (pre Art) came to the rescue. I could use my 50/1.4 and 85/1.8 as portrait lenses, but at the wide end, nada!

With great fanfare Canon introduced the R system in 2018. What they left unsaid, though, was that they had started the M series in 2012 and developed it significantly. With the M5 in 2015 I started using it professionally. In 2018 appeared the M6 II which to some extent is still my favorite camera. Early on they had introduced the EF-M 22/2 which was a nice little lens. Late in the game Canon introduced what I think was their most ambitious normal lens to date, the 32/1.4. That puppy had 14 elements, at a time when the Zeiss Otis 55/1.4 had 12 elements. Anyway, in 2022 they pulled the plug on the M system. Long live the R!

The R7 and R10 have now been available for a while and variable aperture zooms abound. There should have been adequate time to remount the two EF-M primes as RF-S lenses. Definitely hasn’t happened yet, maybe it never will. “Wasn’t invented here!”.

Sony is successfully running a two format system, with lenses for both, primes and zooms. I still have most of my EF system and still use it for some jobs. But for travel the M system is still my preference. I have, however, built up my R7 system. I like primes and I have bought a batch of Sigma Contemporary f/1.4 primes and two f/2.8 zooms, as well as an f/1.8 Art zoom. Canon has NOTHING like it!!!

We don’t all need/want Full Frame, or even if we have it, we may still want an APS-C outfit. I like my R7, I like the stabilizer and the full sviwel screen. Personally I don’t need two cards and I would prefer an LP-E17 battery, it’s easy to carry extras in return for a smaller body.

By its policy Canon lost out on about $ 4-5 K in lens purchases. Good job, guys!

And that concludes my rant!

JohanCruyff · Dec 5, 2025

JohanCruyff said:
Just a few good / excellent lenses are better than many average lenses.

RF 14-35mm F/4 L, RF 24-105 F/4 L, RF 70-200 F/2.8 and RF 100-500 L are my current zoom lenses, from tourism in cities to safaris.

I'm happy with my light RF 35mm F/1.8 prime and I plan to switch from a very good adapted Sigma 50mm Art 1.4 to an excellent RF 50mm 1.2 in 2026, mainly for indoor family portraits,

Then... who knows, everything else is not necessary.
Maybe - in 2027 - a RF 85mm F/1.4 or even F/1.2, definitely not necessary when one owns a RF 70-200 F/2.8 and (the 1.2) a bit heavy, but probably worth the effort.

So I don't complain about Canon's product range. 6 or 7 lenses are more than enough for me.

CJaurelius said:
That might work for you but with the Chinese ramping up the quality of their lenses in the recent years I doubt that will be the same for most people.

Let's say you want to pick up an 85mm for portraits on lower end. On Canon your option would be Canon RF 85 f/2 at $690 that has no aperture ring and no programable button. Meanwhile 3rd party Viltrox offers a 85mm f/2 at $275 with the features Canon left out. If you step up to the f/1.4 you're paying $1650 on the Canon side and $600 from Viltrox. So you're talking $1050 less for a lens with the same features and a pro metal body.

We'll see from a business side who made the right choice but from a potential customer perspective 3rd party lens options are clearly benefitial.

Sorry for this political OT.

My personal horizons exclude lenses made in China,
I'm afraid China is already good enough at destroying companies located in democratic countries, and it doesn't need my help.

If I had been alive in the 1930s, I wouldn't have bought a German car, knowing it was built in factories that exploited political prisoners or Jews etc. as slaves.

But one can legitimately complain about the lack of Sigma lenses for Canon full-frame mirrorless cameras.

DhlcadR6 · Dec 5, 2025

roby17269 said:
I regularly shoot at 3FPS and I'd rather have more lens choices than less

Is millions of 35/50/85mm what you want.

m4ndr4ke · Dec 5, 2025

Jon741 said:
However I have found (with my bought-new back-in-the-day) 50 Art that the RF IBIS doesn't work (at least on my R5ii) if the lens is set to Full Time Manual Focusing in its options, which you need a Dock to change. I should point out that when I found IBIS wasn't working I asked Sigma, and a little later they told me the answer, any connection between the two was not even vaguely obvious.

I didn’t have that issue with any of the Sigma Art lenses I used with my original R6 (28, 35, 40 and 50).

ThomasTH · Dec 5, 2025

Me too, really cool.

ThomasTH · Dec 5, 2025

The action and emotions were captured really well.

cy20250430 · Dec 4, 2025

Eloniel said:
Any more information on this never before lens ? Even a vague announcement date ?

This was probably referring to the new 45mm F1.2 STM. Don't you think so?

Richard CR · Dec 4, 2025

Over the course of the year, the biggest trend has been that consistently every month, compact or built-in lens camera sales have been much higher than last year. CIPA has just released its October CIPA 2025 results, which show against the past reporting period of October, shipments of built-in lens cameras jumped to 60% growth […]

See full article...

ISv · Dec 4, 2025

AlanF said:
Unexpectedly, a Kestrel flew by when I had the RF 200-800mm at 1120mm for some far distant birds.

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Very nice shots Alan! If you had at least little bit more light on the eyes I would say great shots! Next time (and if it comes closer to you...)!

rombe3jr · Dec 4, 2025

The cripple hammer has officially been passed to Sony!

The Canon R6 III deserves camera of the year because they won the feature / spec war in 2025. Not by a lot, but Canon definitely won.

Frodo · Dec 4, 2025

I'd like HDR mode as on the original R5. The R5ii AEB exposure rate seems slower and it doesn't produce a combined jpg.

Traveler · Dec 4, 2025

roby17269 said:
I regularly shoot at 3FPS and I'd rather have more lens choices than less

I’d be also fine with 3fps for most things (however pre shooting and tens of fps opens new doors).
But I prefer better choices rather than more choices. And this is different for every photographer.

Click · Dec 4, 2025

I really like this shot.

Well done!

Click · Dec 4, 2025

Very nice series, Dawid.

Dpcj2 · Dec 4, 2025

Was supposed to be delivered today. Got a message from fedex saying I would need to be home to sign. Sat at home all day then got a message that they “are working to determine a delivery date.” It looks like the package made it halfway then no further tracking for over a day and a half. Was pretty excited so kind of a letdown. Come on Canon and FedEx….do better.

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