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GMCPhotographics · Nov 17, 2025

Del Paso said:
Shooting with 2 ergonomically different cameras can quickly turn into a nightmare.
When using the R5 II, I no longer use the exposure-meter, but mostly rely on what the EVF shows me. But when I used simultaneously the R and a 5 DIV, I sometimes forgot that a DSLR's OVF doesn't show you the final picture...ouch!

I think the jump between an EOS R and 5D4 would be a massive difference because of the view finder and even the wayt he AF works is very different.
For me, I can happily navigte between a pair of different cameras is the generation gap isn't too large. Ideally they would be the same camera, but one generation gap is fine for me as long as I regulary do a dry run with the cameras to train my instincts and muscle memory. I found the R8 and R6ii combo ok, especially when i customised them both to function in a similar way. I did find the lack of a third wheel on the R8 difficult to navigate. I would also see a huge difference betweent he EVF resolution and size between them too. That's something i'm not finding between the R6ii and R5.
I also find that it helps if I pair a specific lens or type of lens on one camera and stick to it so i think of that camera as a lens and not a camera.
For me I put a prime on my R5 and a zoom on my R6ii.
Comparatively, I have two cars on my driveway. One is an auto and the other is a manual. it's been like this for a long time and I can swich between both without any complication or head strain. It just takes a bit of practice.

GMCPhotographics · Nov 17, 2025

I needed a 2nd camera urgently, I was aware of the release dates for the R6iii and the high initial list price for it too because of this site. I could buy another R6ii for a really good price (UK grey market), however a great price on a R5 came up that I just couldn't refuse. I think for me, i'm pretty much covered with these two great cameras. Sure there are slight nods and favours that each camera offers. I think I'll wait for a year and upgrade my R5 to a mkII and have access to a stacked sensor. In waiting for a year, the price and suplly will stabilise more. I'm not sure there is enough in the R6iii for me to upgrade from my mkII. Maybe I'll wait for a future mk4 instead. The mkIII is looking like a great camera, it's just not enough (for me) against a superb mkII.
In my experiance, if you buy on pre-order, you are paying top dollar for a camera that has bugs and doesnt work well with light room for a while. You are also playing the supply waiting list game. The days of the massive changes to the camera outpur quality with each release are well and truely over. Each release is like a mild warm over now.
Your milage might vary and you really want this camera, but for me, I'm happy to wait and see.

Ozarker · Nov 16, 2025

LogicExtremist said:
Maybe check out Alistair's posts of dpreview, he has been called out countless times for jumping to Canon's defense at the slightest hint of criticism of a product. His modus operandi is the basic Argument from Ignorance logical fallacy - "I can't see any problem with it, so there are no problems, so nobody should say anything negative about it". People on that forum have also said to him after looking at how bad his photos are, that he shouldn't be advising anyone about anything. Just a pre-emptive post to stop him polluting this forum in the way he does over there, best to call it out. You need to understand, when someone has very low photography skills it is easy for the gear to far exceed their abilities, so naturally, everything looks good to them, and so they tell everyone that gear is good for EVERYONE, and nobody should complain. No mind reading needed, just a simple logical inference (drawing conclusions based on evidence and reasoning), exaggerated with a little hyperbole for amusement, to sum up Alistair's typical posts and behavior on the other forum - if you don't believe me look it up. Anyway, enjoy your day!

Sane people don't wander around the net getting in pissing contests about what's better, making accusations, or requiring others to see things exactly like they do. I don't shivagit what someone says somewhere else.

GMCPhotographics · Nov 16, 2025

AdamBotond said:
I was wondering what would be the downside of omitting the digic accelerator. Worse AF maybe? We are about to find out how much the accelerator contributes in real life (compared to cameras having one).
Also, introduction of R6 III kills off the R3 line pretty much IMO. On paper, the R6 III is an upgraded R3 apart from the chasis.

Not really. the R3 still has a stacked sensor, larger buffer and higher Rez EVF. Pro build, superior battery and top pro build.
The R6II was a R3 lite, the R6iii is still very much related to the previous model.

P-visie · Nov 16, 2025

AlanF said:
There is a Group 3, of which I am one, R5/R5ii owners who like the R7 as a complement to our full frame with slightly better reach and useful with some lighter lenses. We are ones who want the R7 to have the same ergonomics as the R5 series and I presume would be candidates for an R7ii.

Group 3 also includes R5/R5 Mk II owners who did not buy the R7 because they did not like the ergonomics, viewfinder and electronic shutter performance.

AlanF · Nov 16, 2025

Quack said:
Unlike the many posters who pretend to know what the majority of consumers want, I do not pretend to know, but here is my guess. I think (but do not know) that there are basically two main groups of R7 owners. Group 1: those who want to get into birding and wildlife, but have a limited budget. Group 2: Those who had the 7D or 7D II and want a higher end camera for birding and wildlife, but settled for the R7. My guess is that Canon looks at Group1 and assumes that this group will not be interested in an R7 II, and would be the type of consumer who will keep their camera for 7, 8 or more years. So only Group 2, would be potential buyers of an R7 II if it moves upmarket. So my guess is that the R7 II moves upmarket, and the original R7 will still be sold for some time.

There is a Group 3, of which I am one, R5/R5ii owners who like the R7 as a complement to our full frame with slightly better reach and useful with some lighter lenses. We are ones who want the R7 to have the same ergonomics as the R5 series and I presume would be candidates for an R7ii.

Exploreshootshare · Nov 16, 2025

mbochen said:
It isn't as bad, when you get used to it. At least with exposure and basic autofocus controls. During the field works (nature/wildlife inventories, etc.) I'm using R6II (with tele) and R8 (with standard/wide angle or macro). In both cameras upper dials control time and apperture. While I use mostly Auto Iso, at R6II, control dial set exposure conpensation. At R8 I do it by holding "up" on control pad and adjusting main dial (next to shutter button). In both cameras I use quite similar back button focus setup, at least for two buttons.

Thx for sharing your experience. I´m with you on scroll wheel. The thing is without a joystick and a scroll wheel the handling of the camera changes drastically imho. Plus, since I heavily rely on the EVF and the joystick it really changes my personal style.

mbochen said:
I'm very happy with size and performacne of R8. From my perspective, I'd change control pad for control dial. And no more other major changes are needed.
(Since "*** in R cameras" is now banned topic at the forum, I won't mention it ).

I´m pretty impressed by the R8 (I tested it for a few hours already) and can do with the low res EVF and some quirks. GPS is still on my wishlist, I don´t care if drains the battery too much. If SP can do it, cameras should be able to do it as well. But for the R8, GSP would ruin the small form factor...

Del Paso said:
Shooting with 2 ergonomically different cameras can quickly turn into a nightmare.
When using the R5 II, I no longer use the exposure-meter, but mostly rely on what the EVF shows me. But when I used simultaneously the R and a 5 DIV, I sometimes forgot that a DSLR's OVF doesn't show you the final picture...ouch!

Hehe very interesting experiences. thx for sharing.
It is kind of amusing how this matter can perceived so differently in just two posts. I figure it all relates to ones style of shooting and therefore how big the adaption would be. In my case, it would be big...

But: after thinking about it and talking to my wife - no, three cameras are not in play here (anymore)

- I decided to get the R8 because for hiking and family trips it just fits perfectly. The R6 has nearly the weight and size of the R5, so no benefit there. And if shooting with two different ergonomics set-ups at once is too annoying, I'll rent a second body for the diamond wedding and a couple of other events.

AlanF · Nov 16, 2025

Following on Pieter's post, she is honoured also by awards in her name: Institute of Physics https://www.iop.org/about/awards/gold-medals/katharine-burr-blodgett-medal-and-prize-recipients; the Society for Chemistry and Industry https://www.soci.org/awards/honours/katharine-burr-blodgett-award, and I learned about the Langmuir-Blodgett trough as a student 60 years ago. And she hasn't been ignored in photography, being awarded the 1972 achievement prize from the Photographic Society of America.

We are all sitting in front of the most comprehensive search engines and it takes just seconds to check facts.

ashmadux · Nov 16, 2025

LogicExtremist said:
The 'supply woes' press releases are just marketing scams to psychologically manipulate gullible consumers.

For anyone interested, this is how it works:

When companies announce that delivery delays are caused by an overwhelming number of orders, they are tapping into well-documented psychological triggers that increase perceived value and urgency. This framing creates an impression of extreme popularity, which activates social proof - the assumption that if many others are buying the product, it must be desirable or superior. It also leverages scarcity psychology, where consumers fear missing out and therefore become more motivated to purchase quickly, even if they were undecided.

In many cases, these claims are strategically timed during product launches to generate hype, shape public perception, and inflate the sense of demand, regardless of whether supply chain factors or deliberate production pacing are the real causes of the delay. By shifting attention to supposed high demand, companies deflect from logistical shortcomings while simultaneously strengthening the emotional appeal of the product.

Now, there's also the psychology of pre-purchasing which is equally amusing:

Consumers who pre-order products before they are released or properly tested are often driven by a mix of psychological biases and emotional motives that override careful evaluation. Pre-ordering taps into anticipatory reward, where the excitement of being 'first' creates a dopamine-driven impulse that feels rewarding even before the product arrives. This behaviour is reinforced by FOMO (fear of missing out) and scarcity cues, especially when companies imply limited stock or high demand. It also reflects optimism bias, the assumption that a new product will meet expectations despite a lack of real-world data. For some consumers, pre-ordering becomes tied to identity and belonging - they want to feel part of the 'in-group' of early adopters, or they align their self-image with a brand’s narrative. In extreme cases, this behaviour becomes a form of self-justification, where placing a pre-order suppresses underlying doubts, because committing early feels like a way to validate one’s loyalty and reduce uncertainty. Altogether, these factors create a psychological environment in which emotion, status, and anticipation overpower measured decision-making.

Make sure to get those pre-orders in folks - you wouldn’t want to miss the thrill of buying something untested just so you can defend it before you’ve even used it.

As a psychology fan, this was fantastically interesting compared to the normal product -related comments, typically composed of proud members of the Canon defense force or more analytical / cynics of corporate shenanigans amongst us.

Good show

Del Paso · Nov 16, 2025

Exploreshootshare said:
Yes, I love the package the R8 offers and the price point is now really compelling.

Yes, that scroll wheel and for me personally the joystick heavily favor the R6... if the R8 had at least one of them. IBIS is not an issue/ a need for me. While hiking the R8 works wonderful the lightweight joby tripod and for long-exposures (waterfalls e.g.) I´d use that anyway.

The R8 has a totally different control setup which is fine when I go hiking and only bring one camera. Next year I´m shooting - amongst others - my in grandparents-in-law (is that really a thing?) diamond wedding anniversary. I´m sure I'll need a two camera setup for these events and using two bodies with nearly completely different ergonomics and controls sounds like a nightmare...

Shooting with 2 ergonomically different cameras can quickly turn into a nightmare.
When using the R5 II, I no longer use the exposure-meter, but mostly rely on what the EVF shows me. But when I used simultaneously the R and a 5 DIV, I sometimes forgot that a DSLR's OVF doesn't show you the final picture...ouch!

JustUs7 · Nov 16, 2025

cocopop05 said:
Referring to article https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-r6-series-comparision/.

This is an excellent article, I find comparisons on technology improvements in products very interesting and it also provides good intelligence for those looking to either justify buying the new model or buying the previous one for a lot less cost.

One thing in the article I am not sure I have understood correctly is the resolution increase. It is listed as 16% from the Mark III over the Mark II Resolution Increase from R6 Mark II. However that resolution increase is per dimension if I have understood it correctly.

The resolution increase in MP for the Mark III over the Mark II is 34%, and is 64% for the Mark III over the Mark I.

I feel this gives a much better representation of the detail increase on the newer models.

The article has a few mistakes represented as fact. Unless it’s been cleaned up. The mistakes have been pointed out in this thread.

mbochen · Nov 16, 2025

Exploreshootshare said:
Yes, I love the package the R8 offers and the price point is now really compelling.

Yes, that scroll wheel and for me personally the joystick heavily favor the R6... if the R8 had at least one of them. IBIS is not an issue/ a need for me. While hiking the R8 works wonderful the lightweight joby tripod and for long-exposures (waterfalls e.g.) I´d use that anyway.

The R8 has a totally different control setup which is fine when I go hiking and only bring one camera. Next year I´m shooting - amongst others - my in grandparents-in-law (is that really a thing?) diamond wedding anniversary. I´m sure I'll need a two camera setup for these events and using two bodies with nearly completely different ergonomics and controls sounds like a nightmare...

It isn't as bad, when you get used to it. At least with exposure and basic autofocus controls. During the field works (nature/wildlife inventories, etc.) I'm using R6II (with tele) and R8 (with standard/wide angle or macro). In both cameras upper dials control time and apperture. While I use mostly Auto Iso, at R6II, control dial set exposure conpensation. At R8 I do it by holding "up" on control pad and adjusting main dial (next to shutter button). In both cameras I use quite similar back button focus setup, at least for two buttons.
I'm very happy with size and performacne of R8. From my perspective, I'd change control pad for control dial. And no more other major changes are needed.
(Since "GPS in R cameras" is now banned topic at the forum, I won't mention it

).

HMC11 · Nov 16, 2025

cocopop05 said:
One thing in the article I am not sure I have understood correctly is the resolution increase. It is listed as 16% from the Mark III over the Mark II Resolution Increase from R6 Mark II. However that resolution increase is per dimension if I have understood it correctly.

The resolution increase in MP for the Mark III over the Mark II is 34%, and is 64% for the Mark III over the Mark I.

I feel this gives a much better representation of the detail increase on the newer models.

Resolution comparison can indeed be confusing. The quoted sensor resolution (e.g. 20mpx, 32mpx etc) refers to the multiplication of the number of pixels along the length and breath of the sensor. To work out ‘resolution’, it is the number of pixels along either the length or breath that is compared (i.e. how many pixels can fit in a given length, which is a linear comparison). For instance, a 24mpx FF sensor (3:2 ratio, 36x24mm) will have 6000 by 4000 pixels, whereas a 32.5mpx FF sensor has approximately 6982 by 4655 pixels. Comparing the number of pixels along either the length or breath shows that the 32.5mpx sensor has 16% more pixels over the 24mpx.

Hope this helps.

Exploreshootshare · Nov 16, 2025

danielH said:
Based on your past experience, or insider information, do you think the R6 III will get a discount during Black Friday?

No
way the R6iii will have a Black Friday discount. The R6iii starts shipping three days before Black Friday, Canon will have to deliver preorders until Christmas or even longer. I´d guess the first rebate or cash back might come in spring 26 if we are lucky, but I´d believe summer 2026 sounds more realistic.

The point is: what kind of money do you want to save by waiting? If it is around 250 €, next year will be the time to buy. If you want the price point the R6ii has basically lived at for last 1 - 1/2 years (2.200 €) you'd probably have to wait at least until Black Friday 2026 or even longer.

danielH said:
I'm also considering purchasing about €6,000 in lenses. Maybe a rebate from Canon or resellers, like the more you buy the more you save?

Bottom line: is it worth waiting two weeks?

There will be some good deals on lenses. Usually, the consumer line lenses get bigger discounts (percentage wise) than L glass... at least in Germany.

Exploreshootshare · Nov 16, 2025

rombe3jr said:
Oh yeah, almost forgot about the R8 too! I've have gone back and forth over the R8 vs R6 because they are essentially the exact same price. That R6 II sensor in the R8 looks so good. I love how compact and discreet it is. Especially paired with the new and much smaller STM zoom lenses.

Yes, I love the package the R8 offers and the price point is now really compelling.

rombe3jr said:
The only two things that have me leaning towards the R6 line are lack of IBIS and no back scroll wheel! If it had those I think it would be an automatic buy for me.

Yes, that scroll wheel and for me personally the joystick heavily favor the R6... if the R8 had at least one of them. IBIS is not an issue/ a need for me. While hiking the R8 works wonderful the lightweight joby tripod and for long-exposures (waterfalls e.g.) I´d use that anyway.

The R8 has a totally different control setup which is fine when I go hiking and only bring one camera. Next year I´m shooting - amongst others - my in grandparents-in-law (is that really a thing?) diamond wedding anniversary. I´m sure I'll need a two camera setup for these events and using two bodies with nearly completely different ergonomics and controls sounds like a nightmare...

SnowMiku · Nov 15, 2025

rombe3jr said:
Oh yeah, almost forgot about the R8 too! I've have gone back and forth over the R8 vs R6 because they are essentially the exact same price. That R6 II sensor in the R8 looks so good. I love how compact and discreet it is. Especially paired with the new and much smaller STM zoom lenses. The only two things that have me leaning towards the R6 line are lack of IBIS and no back scroll wheel! If it had those I think it would be an automatic buy for me.

The thing that leads me more to the original R6 over the R8 is the bigger battery in the R6 with the percentage indicator. My M5 which uses the same battery as the R8 drains so quickly that I need to remember to charge it before each use. With the R6 you can check exactly how much percent is left but with the R8 you just get 3 bars.

Uneternal · Nov 15, 2025

SvO2 said:
And why would Arabic numerals count by that logic? That's not native to Japanese either. The 5dIV is called the "five dee mark four" which in Japanese would contain the word. Other Japanese companies don't seem to avoid the number too much. Nikon had a D4 and a J4. Sony had a PS4. Fuji has an XT4.

In any case, number 4 can be pronounced as both shi or yon in Japanese. The latter seemingly preferred due to the death connotation of the former. But for the same reason, the use of the number doesn't seem to be avoided by Japanese companies to the same degree as Chinese companies.

Mark IV is spoken as "Makū Fō". Same goes for the EOS Kiss X4 which is spoken as "Ekkuso Fō".

However although most names are spoken like English, Canon and also some Chinese Manufacturers tend to avoid unlucky main numbers with a 4. OnePlus for instance also skipped their model 14 phones and went straight to 15.

Steve_FR · Nov 15, 2025

mariosk1gr said:
R5C... a camera with mediocre IQ, c-log3 and a pack of dozen batteries to get the day.... and then you see this title?? Ok I'm keep telling to myself that is good to exist different opinions... BUT this?!?!?

I’ll agree with the lack of full-size HDMI being annoying, as well as CLOG2 - but mediocre IQ? Seriously? Have you even used this camera? I’m tired of people complaining about the R5C. If you don’t like it, use something different. Don’t go around spreading misinformation based wholly on ignorance.

The R5C is not a great handheld run n’ gun camera without IBIS, nor a highly sensitive low light camera. So, if you’re judging “mediocre IQ” by running around shooting video at iso 10,000 in the dark, I can see how you might reach that assessment. The R5C is one of very few medium sized ILC cameras on the market that shoots 8k60 raw internal. It also shoots 4k60p oversampled from 8k. Video quality is absolutely fantastic for this class of camera in good light situations. It also has an internal fan, and does not overheat. What exactly are you comparing it to?

The FX3 is a great camera for low light and run n gun, but falls short of the R5c in many other areas. It is not oversampled, does not shoot above 4k, and has similar battery life. R5c record time is about 90 minutes in 4k24p on new LP-E6P battery. Higher video resolutions and framerates get less record time. Stills photography mode lasts forever on any battery.

R5C is not for everyone, but it is one hell of a great deal for the right person- you’re basically buying a compact 8k 60p raw cinema camera with a free Canon R5 stills camera thrown in. You can power it for video all day with a couple small usb-c battery banks. Who shoots on an 8k cinema camera without external V-mount power anyway? Not to mention weather sealing. I’ve shot with R5c in pouring rain.

Stig Nygaard · Nov 15, 2025

Well, by history (Canon 1-series "flagship" history) the only thing I'm pretty sure of is that we will see R1 announced in late 2027 to mid 2028. Because that is a camera Canon always want to make ready for the professional sports-shooters at the Summer Olympics. The 1-series' release schedule is tightly bound to that event.
Canon doesn't seem to believe that high resolution is needed for the sports photographers (and personally I tend to agree, though I'm not a professional sports photographer

).
I don't know if R3 was the start of a new series. Maybe the R3 was a one-time model to try some new technologies (Eye-Control, Smart Controller and stacked sensor), before rolling it out in R1 and R5II? But if we see a new R3, I cannot imagine it getting the sensor from R6III. I would expect it to get a stacked sensor again.
I don't think Canon thinks global shutter technology is ready for prime time photography yet, but if we get it, my bet is it will be in the R1.

But that is all my guesses without knowing what kind of technologies Canon has cooking in their labs. Or their strategies. But my guess is probably at good as anyone else not having inside knowledge

EricN · Nov 15, 2025

Go with the plain old vanilla Poly Studio 30 because the .3 is a lower quality moneygrab

glideher · Nov 15, 2025

i already have an EF R adapter new in the box, so that wont be an issue. how about the R 30.3 is thatr a good camera? ive been out of the camera loop for a while, starting to get back into it so pardon my lack of knowledge

rombe3jr · Nov 15, 2025

Exploreshootshare said:
Hehe I feel the same way about my R5, which I got just a month before the mkii was released. I now in a need for second camera body and I am strongly considering the original R6. Same controls, (just no top LCD) as R5, same ergonomics, same batteries, but smaller file sizes. Only thing... weight and compact size favor the R8. I am going back and forth on this all the time!
R6 is still such a great camera and if I get one on Kleinanzeigen (eBay), I might end up paying less than 1.k € for it.

Oh yeah, almost forgot about the R8 too! I've have gone back and forth over the R8 vs R6 because they are essentially the exact same price. That R6 II sensor in the R8 looks so good. I love how compact and discreet it is. Especially paired with the new and much smaller STM zoom lenses. The only two things that have me leaning towards the R6 line are lack of IBIS and no back scroll wheel! If it had those I think it would be an automatic buy for me.

justaCanonuser · Nov 15, 2025

AlanF said:
That quote is clearly silly. It was made by him as a joke but people take it seriously not knowing its context. See for its context: https://www.newsweek.com/opposites-attract-137833

Yes, it was meant provocingly and ironically, and I quoted it that way (irony is always a problem in such threads like this one here, I may better have used a smiley icon showing that). But besides his later problems with holding the camera steady as an old man, this quote contains a deeper wisdom. HCB came from painting and knew that technical perfection isn't automatically good photography. I myself am quite skilled in drawing, in particular fast street drawing (people drawn recognize themselves), and started later with serious photography, so I have a bit deeper knowledge based on that sort of experience. Here is an example of a famous out-of-focus image by HCB: here he couldn't focus so fast precisely on the guy on the bicycle in that short moment (don't forget, he had a fully manual Leica), so the in-focus distance is a bit behind him - but it is gorgeous snapshot and perfectly composed. Well, this is about photograpic art, not nerdy tech talk, so let's stop that discussion, I think this is not an appropriate forum here. My quote was merely meant as a joke. Have a good day!

EricN · Nov 15, 2025

glideher said:
where would be a good place to purchase a used R4? i currently have a mirrored camera looking to upgrade to a mirrorless, wold the R4 be a good advancement?

R6.2 might be a better choice. Try ebay

1N RS is also mirrorless and it uses Canon's ef mount, so no need to use an adapter or buy new lenses!