There's one piece of information that I haven't been able to find and am hoping that someone here knows...

Does the C70 play back 4k 120fps files at 30p or does it maintain all 120fps. It would be REALLY nice if Canon didn't automatically save the file as 30fps!

It's Friday local time, here in Poland. I had this lens attached to EOS R for a few hours, and I'm not sure if he won't come back to the store after the weekend for a refund. Knowing myself, it will probably end this way.

In short, if you don't have time to read: If you don't have a lens hood for this lens (like me and the rest of the world today), thank the seller for showing you this lens, leave the store and come back to it only when you will be able to buy a lens hood for this lens without any problems. Why? Because only then will you be able to start using this lens without stress.

What did I not like after the first contact with this lens?

1. First of all, the protruding tube, which is so delicate that when I accidentally rested it on my thigh, it hid and the lens motor started to make strange sounds. I believe that it is definitely more delicate than the tube known to me from the lenses I have, such as the EF 40mm f/2.8 STM and EF 50mm f/1.8 STM.

2. Mounting the circular filter (in my case Hoya Fusion Antistatic Protector, weight 22 grams) causes incomplete hiding of the tube after the camera is turned OFF. Some 1mm is left to hide, and the tube can be pushed by hand. After unscrewing the filter and repeating the whole operation, this problem does not occur.

3. The lens motor runs even when viewing photos in the rear LCD screen. You can hear that the stabilization has stopped, but the engine is still running. Is it supposed to be like that, or maybe it is a flaw of a specific lens? If for example, I have an EF 28mm f/2.8 IS USM lens with stabilization on attached with an adapter, the stabilization is stopped and then the engine is completely turned off when viewing photos on the rear LCD screen. *

4. The lens motor works quite loud, and its normal work is hard to distinguish from work with stabilization on. With the stabilization on, there are additional sounds (in the form of standard scrapes and squeals), but these additional sounds are quiet enough that it's hard to know without looking at the stabilization switch whether it is on or not.

5. My left index finger always lands where the tube is extending, sometimes accidentally blocking its extension and/or retraction. A lens hood would solve this problem as that finger would land on it.

6. With the lens hood on, the lens will cease to be quite compact. The length of the lens is 90.5 mm, and the length of the dedicated lens hood (ET-77 symbol) is 53.3 mm which gives a total of 143.8 mm (just over 14 cm). I took the dimensions from the B&H store.

It's Saturday local time, here in Poland. I just got home from a visit to the local parcel locker, where I sent a return shipment to the store where I bought this lens.

* I consulted the owner of the RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM lens on this matter, and his lens behaves the same. Apparently this is how it should be according to Canon.

Thanks for sharing this with us, CFB.
Enjoy the time with your grandson

SteveC said:

This is why when I reference my recent purchase of this very kit as a refurb, I call it the RF 24-105 f/4.0 L with RP accessory.

Basically Canon did not drop the price of the lens + R5 in that kit, so looking for some way to reduce the hit of $1100, I decided that (effectively) getting an RP for 250 bucks would be it.

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I think that a lot of people were thinking the same. Good move!

I spoke to Canon and they explained that all Canon EF lenses will be compatible with the C70. However, not all of the functions, for example auto tracking, iris detection, etc may function on all lenses. Only the 3 aforementioned are have been verified to work with "optimum performance". Canon says they have to wait for the manual to be released.
In short, the 300mm and 600mm lenses will work with the C70, but they do not know what functions will or will not operate.

GMCPhotographics said:

I actually confronted Canon in a letter to thier UK head offices asking them to justify the vast relative price difference between the US and UK prices of the (then new to market) 1DmkII. It took them about 3 months to reply...they sent me a really nice photography book and a letter from their UK CEO. It basically said...there is no relation to real world costs, there is a perception of value in each economy that allows them to sell for that price...ie...they do becuase they can. It's as simple as that. The British buyers buy lots at the over inflated price so taht sets the price point. If no one bought them...then the price would be keener at launch. The letter was 2 pages long and really well thought out and nicely written.

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Yeah, sure, that's how supply and demand works. But my point still stands. The "over inflated price" looks much much closer to the US price once you subtract the included VAT, which obviously is not going to Canon. US prices never have sales taxes included because they vary too much from place to place. (They're also typically much lower than UK/EU VAT but that's another story.)

Exploreshootshare said:

Really? I think a an EOS R Mark II with around 32-34 MP would fit perfectly between an R6 and a R5. The gap between the 20 MP and the 45 MP is imho just too big to not have a another camera slated in between...

The same huge gap actually kept me from buying/ deciding between a 5d and 6d and I almost wound up switching to another brand because I didn't like either option.



Yeah, you're probably right, but I'm still hoping for it.

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Oh? So you think that sony should slate something between the A7 line and the A7R line because currently 60+MP vs 24MP is an even bigger gap than 20 vs 45. Most point out that the actual detail difference between 20 and 24 is small. With the market shrinking on top of it all it wouldn't make sense for them to put something in between. You would have the RP, R6, R, R5 and eventful R1... 5 camera lines is a lot.

And the gap between 20 MP and 30 MP (6D line vs 5D isn't that big at all). Main differentiator was actually the AF system.

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I haven't tried the lens with TC with the R5 much, but it works great as a bare lens with the R5. For the first time, I was successful in getting hummingbirds with that combo. The following picture is cropped down to ~11MP but it still shows a good amount of detail.

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That looks great! I might rent one for a weekend and try it out. It just seems to be a good fit for me cost/focal length wise.

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jvillain said:

I understand the crazy cost of cine zooms but for a short prime $7500 is pretty hard to choke down. I can get a matching pair of Pictor zooms with case that will cover pretty well this entire range for ~$5000 they are only T2 and S-35. But I have some fast protography primes I can add in if I really need the apature increase. As long as the "full frame" nazis don't succeed in making cinematography more expensive for every one I will be fine with them for years to come.

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All depends on what league you’re playing in. Sigma has a version for just over half as much and Zeiss has their version that is a little under triple as much. There are people out there that look at lenses like the Tokina’s as an incredible value and others that don’t. We have a crazy amount of choices today that most of us, just 10 years ago, would have never of imagined we would have.

I have a set of Canon CN-E‘s, but if I was buying from scratch today(pandemic aside), it would be a little tougher. The Sigma’s are great lenses at a good price. The Tokina’s are a little high, price wise, but on paper look incredible. And I’ve heard mixed things about them. The users seem to absolutely love them, but I’ve talked to dealers that tell me they have lots of QC problems with image quality.

It was still a good rumour by any standards!

I am thrilled that this new 70-200 f4 is available. Hopefully we (I) can take Canon's word--and the few early testers on Youtube that the imaging is as good/better than the f4 EF version.

As far back as I remember the EF version was always considered a great bargain, same focal length and possibly better sharpness.

I usually don't do this, but ordered from B&H first thing this morning. And...sent back/canceled an order for the 2.8 version from Amazon. Never took delivery of it. For the most part, I need the length outdoors. However, with the super excellent ISO of the R5 the f/4 selected shots indoors shouldn't be a huge problem.

Supposedly delivered 1 or second week of December. We'll see.

Released Dec 3. It was actually difficult to find. buy it from where you want but Adorama was going to charge me $8 to ship.

YuengLinger said:

Thanks! Nice to be talking about standards! Not just vague marketing terms.

Sounds like interesting work, testing the effectiveness of a "vibratory apparatus"! Maybe even pleasurable?

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Shame on you !

Sporgon said:

It's inevitable really given that the two major ICL camera manufacturers were totally ascent from the FF mirrorless market. Once they entered it Sony's sales were going to take a big hit, and Sony would have been aware of this.

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This was not guaranteed to happen, especially with the lukewarm reception and widespread media criticism of the R. If you look at the second half of 2019 when Sony was recovering share and crested above 60% at one point, many headlines were trumpeting Sony's dominance. The glowing Sony reviews (eg. DPReview) during the 2017-2019 time period had a Apple-Nokia vibe where it was viewed that Sony was the full-frame market disruptor (a la iPhone) and Canon was the established dinosaur.

Jethro said:

To me the more interesting part of those stats was how Nikon has been flat-lining (at a low ~10%). They must have had a similar development budget to Canon (at least for FFM bodies if not for lenses) and they would have to be disappointed? If the 'big 3' are in danger of contracting to 2, I'm not sure it's Sony in the firing line.

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When Nikon started adopting Sony sensors in their FF lineup, it was simply a matter of time before Sony would overtake them, as mirrorless technology is increasingly sensor + processor driven, and mirrorless slowly takes over. Hovering in and around 10% share, Nikon needs the second generation Z series to make a splash like the R5/R6 has. Also unlike Sony and Canon, Nikon does not have a cinema division where various products can overlap, putting them at another disadvantage. At a macro level, combining these factors in addition to the lack of wow-factor in the Z lens lineup, I join the camp where it is viewed that Nikon will eventually fade into irrelevance as it becomes a two-horse race between Canon and Sony.

Czardoom said:

I have been critical of Sony - both because I briefly owned their cameras - which I would consider them more of a tech gadget made for gear-heads than a serious camera for photographers - but more because of the fanboy network which spreads their propaganda on forums and YouTube videos. So, I would be very happy to see them go down and go down hard, but, please, their lead is still over 9%. The fact that they dropped form 100% is meaningless as they were the only one selling mirrorless FF. So, as soon as Canon and Nikon joined the game, we could have expected a huge drop. As long as their share is above 33%, they are succeeding.

So, in actuality, there has been no collapse. And being 9% behind, Canon's takeoever is far from immanent. I hope it happens, but as long as Sony's fanboy network remains strong, they are in no danger of collapsing, in my opinion.

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Did you see the graph? Sony lost more than 10% share within the past 2 months, coinciding with the R5/R6 production increase. Short of an A series fire sale, there is nothing from Sony that can slow this in the next few months (it has probably already happened, as the referenced graph is two months behind). Also, the point of my post was to highlight trends and where the numbers are heading. 2nd half of 2019 Sony and Canon lines were diverging, then in 2020 it started converging, and now we are at the precipice of something big - Canon moving on top of the FF mirrorless market. How much Canon surges ahead of Sony, and whether Sony can reverse this trend, only time will tell.

Mt Spokane Photography said:

I'd be skeptical of statistics. Losing market share may not mean lower sales, it may mean juts a lower percentage of increasing sales.

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Market share shows how one is doing relative to the competition, which is the crux of this thread. This is not really a discussion of overall market health, sales, or profits. I agree that short term market share statistics should be viewed with a grain of salt, which is why the referenced graph spans across years.

flip314 said:

How much better is actual tilt than perspective correction in Photoshop? Obviously you will lose some quality from stretching and squashing pixels, but how much does it really matter?

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When you apply perspective correction in software, the software has to either remove detail or invent detail. It uses mathematical algorithms to guess what should happen.

When you use tilt/shift, there's less of a need to use softwre to invent new pixels or to take away pixels.

usern4cr said:

Beautiful shot, John! Was this with your home-made diffuser, or has Canon come out with something new in diffusers?

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Thanks! It was with a home made set.

Yes, it would seem to make more sense as an apsc lens.

I was really hoping for IS on a lower cost 50mm. With no IS, no Macro, and only one ring, I simply don't see the point. Especially for anyone who has an EF to RF adapter.

The single ring is a bit puzzling. Normally a focus ring has no clicks and a programmable ring has them. A single ring would seem strange sharing those possible functions unless the clicks come and go with according to the mode selected (focus or other).

I don't see it as a good option for a kit lens. Zooms are standard on the cheapest cameras as well as phones and I think most buyers of a kit would be a bit confounded with the limitations of only one focal length. A fixed lens would likely seem strange and cumbersome to someone graduating from a point and shoot or phone.

Ug... USA site just refreshed it's previous sale from 11-2 to 11-21. Only RF Lens on it is the 24-240mm. I hope that sale comes over here... as there is a bunch of glass I am eyeing.

Sporgon said:

Enjoyed that, quite atmospheric. I use to fence epee, even sneaked into the top 200 in the U.K.

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Thanks Sporgon!

EOS 4 Life said:

Not unless you use an external recorder or record for less than an hour at a time.

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I must say I can work around the limitations of the R5. But not beeing able to record 4k reliable for over an hour AT ALL is pretty disturbing.
I guess this emphasizes even more the photography party of the camera than the 6D was at its time.

Easer said:

Now, these are my arguments, and really Joules (and sorry for the boomer style, but I did probably do serious photography before You were born....;- ), if You don't reckon/acknowledge the advantages of a highly enlarging 100% optical viewfinder, then we can't have a discussion, can we....? [...] And again, sorry for the slightly infantile style, but this is just me finally getting my frustrations out

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I can understand the desire to just rent about your frustrations and I am certain that you are not alone with some of them. I also know this year in particular has both contributed much to anxiety and frustrations and also reduced the number of outlets for those. So there's nothing wrong with you expressing you views here, and if you just wrote them down to get these words out of your head or heart, don't take my following comments too serious. But I am replying to your arguments as statements to be taken at face value.

Also, I own a Pentax ME super, which has an amazing split viewfinder. It is far larger and brighter than the one from my 80D and even 1 series, as far as I am aware. There is a beauty to this, no doubt. But every tool has a time and a place, and the specific values of these depend on who you ask.

Also, please don't take offense from my Boomer comment, it was written in jest and not meant derogatory or as an insult. But you are basically asking for it with statements such as this:

Easer said:

With the 1D and 5D lines of cameras, You are basically market leaders, and You are throwing it all away, just to cater for teenagers who are used to use the screen on their phones

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I highly doubt the target demographic for the R5 in particular, or the upcoming high resolution R and R1, is anywhere near teenage years. It simply takes a certain standing in life to afford these cameras, all of which will cost well above 4k when they come out. The switch to mirrorless and EVFs is motivated by the greater market over all. Smartphones may have contributed to the components such as high resolution OLED screens and high performance SoCs improving in quality and decreasing in cost, but they are far from the only reason EVFs are gaining popularity. And also, Smartphones are used across almost all demographics I believe.

Easer said:

DoF, I basically always shoot full open, so I got the DoF in my optical viewfinder [...] -And I take basically all my pictures at f/1.0/1.2/1.4, so I coulden't care less for "being able to see the actual DoF", I got thát in my optical viewfinder already

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I am not sure you are aware, but in an OVF, you are not seeing the true DoF when using a fast lens. Instead, you are looking at what is effectively a stopped down view of the scene due to the micro lenses in the mirror assembly. Hence my comment that you may see a benefit when using a high quality EVF such as the R5's with fast glass.

Easer said:

IBIS, I don't care much for [...] The high FPS of the R5, I don't care for it [...] I'll seriously argue that more than pixels, ISO, dynamic range, ergonomics, screen and features, a really good optical viewfinder is what any skilled photographer need [...] I really looked forward to [...] a 50 mp 5D5 with a very nice ISO 6400, but blaaaaah

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So, what is wrong with the 5Ds? Just that it is old? Sounds to me as if you were mostly interested in the higher resolution of the R5?

Easer said:

In my portraits I generally focus manually, in the way that I use AF to do the rough focusing, after which I focus by rocking back and forth a bit, that is by far the easiest and fastest and most efficient way of focusing in a portrait situation, with lenses such as 85L and 50L.

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This again sounds to me as if you didn't try an R5 yet. Unless you are a true master at focussing manually, it is hard to believe that you can compete with these fast lenses used on said ILC. Have you seen the eye AF performance? It may not be your personally preferred way to AF, and that is fine. But claiming any form of manual AF is easier is a statement that you simply can't expect to hold true if you apply it to any large portions of the market.

Easer said:

And if there's one thing that I hate more than anything, then it is to have to fiddle with the camera while interesting things are going on, and no, I can't see myself swiching back and forth between eye-focus and normal focus

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From what I understand, you can switch between these with the press of a single customized button. Is that too fiddly?

Easer said:

Cheap, it should be quite cheap to port the R5 to a 5D5, and a lot of dissapointed canon customers will find a 5D5 very welcome

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Why would you expect it to be cheap? As I previously explained, the main features of the R5 can't be ported at all. Improving AF would either require using the 1DX III AF sensor (expensive), or developing a new one (expensive). And you would look at a greatly diminished customer numbers, as you split the 5 series customers between the 5D and R5, increasing cost for each.

Easer said:

I wonder what Nikon and Sony got to offer camera-wise, I will go and take a look at it right now....

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Certainly no more DSLRs, lol. Sony went EVF even before they switched to mirrorless, and I doubt Nikon has the economic capacity to supply anything but the most lucrative market segments. But they do have the D850, which at least matches the R5 in resolution and mostly in IQ.

Easer said:

I really looked forward to [...] a 50 mp 5D5 with a very nice ISO 6400, but blaaaaah, it was a fullframe point and shoot camera quite possibly replacing the 5D line of cameras.

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Not sure if you are joking, but calling the R5 a point and shoot camera casts doubt with regard to your previous claims of experience with cameras

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Wow, just noticed how ugly it will look when you put on the shade. No wonder Canon is not showing us this.

CanonFanBoy said:

That was the best way for me. I have mine set on red. My eyes are really bad. 20/300 in one eye and 20/400 in the other. Corrected with glasses, but still not too good.

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Thank you for the clarification, @CanonFanBoy. Would glasses help with your seeing? If so, you may try 10x liveview magnification as it is another way to ensure accurate focus. Focus peaking may not be accurate sometimes. Apart from that wonderful photo once again.

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Ok I ordered locally back in early September and still waiting.