Likely the same for RF mount. Manual focus lenses will work fine, but unlikely to have decent AF adaptors. Fortunately what is quite likely is that someone will do a Nikon G adaptor for RF mount that has an aperture control wheel on it. That would certainly be possible.

It's also possible that someone could do the reverse for the Nikon Z mount and do an adaptor that has an aperture control wheel for EF lenses.

The only issue in both cases is that this will only work if the mount can supply enough power to operate the lenses and the adaptors without it recognising a valid lens attached. They may both disable, or severely restrict, power until a valid lens is attached.

BM said:

Who cares! Its still a camera and a crop camera!
Canon make the best FF Mirror-less camera!
Period!

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canon makes exellent FF mirrorless and video-less cameras.

on the one hand I´m a little disappointed about the new R-System and at the end also about the pricing for the new lenses - on the other hand I´m calmed down, because there is no need for me to buy new gear - with my 1dxII and my L-lenses I´ll top the current R-system-body for serveral years.
I'm curious about the new bodies canon will develop in the next ten years - but at the moment: no need to change anything - thank you very much CANON, for saving my money hahaha !!!

tron said:

Maybe but you cannot know how fast the 50 1.2 focuses. In addition you continue to use shorter focal lengths. From 200 to 85 to 50...

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Yeah, like I said, there’s more reasons I’m selling the 1dx2. And I change lenses and FL’s quite often. I buy both for FL and for quality. The 85 was as much about IS and f1.4 plus weather sealing as much as it was about 85mm. The 200 was also sold due to my health. I’ve owned lots of UWA also, but I don’t like them so generally I’m not slightly interested in anything shorter than 35mm. And since I’m more about using my light and do portraits with invironment and the 85 isn’t fast enough for soccer, 35 and 50 would be a great combo, and I’ve owned those many times previously also. I change needs and don’t want a lot of lenses I spend money on light.

Ok different bags for situations.

Everyday shooting car trunk 500 f4 w ext and 100-400ii also with same 1.4ext yongnuo 600 flash w better beamer

Suitcase Travel with free time 100-400ii also with 1.4ex and depending on time of month. Sigma14mm f1.8 dark times 16-35L ii other times.

Backpacking (targeting waterfalls landscapes) 24-105L, rokinon 14mm 2.8. Fiesol tripod
Light pack hiking SL1 body 18-55mm and 55-250mm still tripod tho. Tried gorilla pod but sometimes the picture needs to be taken from a spot where height is needed.

In addition to lenses the bag has on any given day, extra batteries, extension tubes extra CF And SD cards, lens cloth, flash the little ex90 I think, blackrapid dual strap, Advil, moleskin, wireless release.

You don't specify what models you bought and which failed. The only one you specified, it's not clear if it's a PowerShot G9 (a 2007 model), or one of the newer G9X (very different). Also, I don't remember non-EOS Rebels. Hard disks weren't a great choice for camcorders, solid-state storage is much more reliable.

Did you buy them new or used? Heavy use and not proper storage can shorten the life of many devices. Cheaper models aren't usually made for heavy use. Some environmental conditions (i.e. hot, humid weather) are worse for photo and electronic equipment, and may require careful storage.

Here the minimum warranty is two years, so I don't believe Canon makes camera with many chances to fail earlier. My 35 years old A-1 still works, and I plan to use it this weekend. The T-90s works too.... one was bought as a non-working one, to be used as a spare part source, it looks it was dropped, fixing it was easy, and it still works... (maybe there was a reason it was nicknamed "the Tank" in Japan).

The six years old 5D3 never missed a beat. My experience with Canon reliability was pretty good.

That said, any device could and will fail. You're experience is quite on the unlucky side, anyway, but more info about which models failed and what failed could be useful.

Why would filmingwithfriends make this thread? Yeah bro, EOS R is 26MP..in the same world that Sony make reliable, easy to use camera bodies that produce stunning colours.

As to the first point, my two biggest beefs with the EF version are extreme uncorrectable distortion at 24mm and awful corner softness at 24mm. From sample images I saw on DP Review and Imaging Resource, both of these issues persist on the RF version, disappointingly. The corner softness does not seem to be quite as bad, but is still present (and worse than the EF 24-70). Remains to be seen if the distortion can be 100% corrected within DPP (no lens profiles yet).

The very nature of the 24-105mm range, apparently, is compromise - specifically, reach for IQ. There’ll probably never be a stellar lens with this zoom range...

justaCanonuser said:

Re 1.: I do certainly care for camera progress (but more in fundamental progress based on physics such as not yet mature light-field photography). But your reaction just because I just miss the joystick in the spec list (did not yet try an EOS R) was quite out of any proportion. You are exactly this sort of rude posters that I hoped will never pop op on Canonrumors, where most people seem to be nice characters. Obviously, times are changing.

Re 4.: Certainly, you nailed it

This is my last reply to any of your postings in this thread, Mr. Angus. Interesting to see that nobody liked your attitude here so far...[/QUO)TE]

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Oh, so you haven't actually tried touch and drag AF selection? That makes sense

jeanluc said:

According to the article, Sony's ability to spread R & D costs over making vast numbers of sensors for all kinds of devices and third parties, particularly phones, means they can make a business case for much faster sensor development than a smaller scale manufacturer of sensors, such as Canon. so they do. Which is why Sonikon has the sensors they have and we have what we have. And unless Canon can sell a lot more sensors, that probably won't change.

Is the 5D4 sensor "good enough"? Right now, sure. So was the sensor in my 5D3 in its day. But there is a marked difference between those two. And there is a difference between the current Sony sensors and anything we have. It's significance is obviously controversial. But they can make a 40+Mp sensor with greater speed and DR and market it without an AA filter. I think a lot of people just really would like Canon to offer something like that. In other words, a 5Dsr equivalent with sensor tech that is not from 2012. I don't think a lot of folks would care if its mirrorless or not. Personally I hope it is, since the new RF lenses will be the way of the future. But if it's a dslr, that's OK too, since the EF lenses aren't too shabby either.

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Well, what will be, will be. Differences among sensors are significant only to the extent that they affect the quality of the images that we produce. How much is enough? How big do you want to print? Unless you use a tripod every time you can, you are compromising IQ. Does it really make a difference? Maybe. Sometimes. Most likely Canon has a sensor or two in the pipeline. So we shall see bye and bye. Have a good day.

zim said:

I was meaning what happens to FPS in AE Servo. Seems like data flow is an issue for most mirrorless? (A9 being an exception)
but I may be very wrong with what I think is the reason.

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You'r not, A9 has stacked sensor and it can read entire sensor much faster. It reads entire sensor in 1/160s which is only slightly slower than it's mechanical shutter. Other A7x bodies including (A7III) can do it in 1/15s with uncompressed RAW and 1/30s with compressed RAW.
Source Jim Kasson blog:
https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/how-fast-is-the-sony-a9-electronic-shutter/
https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/how-fast-is-the-a7iii-silent-shutter/

Unfortunately it brings it's own problems, in this case banding... https://diglloyd.com/blog/2017/20170604_1206-Sony_A9-PatternNoise-at-ISO100-PineCreek.html

AlanF said:

Are you using the array for our Dragonfly and Damselfly thread?

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No but I did try for an afternoon! When we started building the array I tried out one of the 400's "in the wild" before we mounted it but they are no good for dragonflies, or at least the way I shoot them - I really need to walk around and be able to take shots quickly.. I use the 100-400 II on a 7D II for "portraits" and when I'm hunting for new species, the 100 f2.8 macro for close-ups, and the 300 f4 on a 5D III for in-flight shots (I prefer it over the 100-400 for that purpose because of its lower weight and its large focusing ring). The Dragonfly Array *is* named after the dragonfly photography as that helped inspire its development (the two mounts also kind of look like the eyes of a dragonfly).

dak723 said:

Generally positive, it seems. It is always funny when reviewers make comments such as "The pictures it takes are great," or "It also feels superb when you first pick it up: solid, comfortable and with well-positioned controls, at least for the most part," and then move along as quickly as possible as if those attributes aren't very important or interesting.

Well, ""The pictures it takes are great," is probably the most important thing for photographers. Along with ergonomics. But forum dwellers and most reviewers are so obsessed with technical innovation that they put almost all the emphasis on that. And that's one reason why Canon buyers are so ridiculed - they want a camera that takes great pictures and also feels superb in the hand - but that isn't a high priority for the tech-minded. The universal internet love that Sony is shown is only proof of that. The Sony FFs I tried (and briefly owned) did not take great pictures and was extremely uncomfortable to hold. Obviously the tech-minded review sites don't care very much about that.

So Butler tries to play it down the middle. The camera itself is not so hot, but the system shows promise of being hot in the long run. I guess from DPR, that's pretty good for Canon.

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I suppose some reviewers would find fault if Canon produced a new sensor that delivered specs on par with Sony. They'd even ridicule Canon if Canon were to adopt Sony sensors. That the R produces great photos is an afterthought.

I thought the review was mostly a mindless rehash of well known points, which the author used to obscure what his readers might find interesting in the new camera and camera system.

CanonFanBoy said:

He was being funny, Keith. Or that's how I took it.

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Meh. There's a difference between funny and "funny"...

Starting from flangeback distance for
Nikon Z = 16mm
Sony E = 18mm
Canon R = 20mm
Canon EF = 44mm
Nikon F = 46.5mm

cross-mount adapters (without glass/optical elements) are only possible for (sufficiently) longer FFD lens mount to shorter FFD mount.

so no adapters for Nikon Z lenses to any other mount. none for Sony FE to Nikon Z or Canon R. Canon R to Nikon Z maybe possible geometrically.

Canon EF and Nikon F to any of the short FFD mirrorfree mounts geometrically possible (and partially in existence)

But ...both Nikon and Canon have evidently implemented not only new mount geometry in Z and R but also "enhanced communication / protocols". since both Z and R mounts maintain backwards compatibility to F respectively EF lenses, it seems plausible that (some ) thirdparty makers can build
* an EF lens to Z-mount adapter limited to capabilities of EF and F mount protocol
* adapter for Z lenses to EF or RF mount is technically not possible (without optical elements) since Z has shorter flangeback
* RF lenses to Z might be possible, but maker would need to have RF mount protocol knowledge (licensed or reverse engineered) - i don't think we will see any soon

And funny: I wrote to Canon if I can use the drop infilter from my 600 II L for this adapter (if I buy the ND version). They replied: They don´t see, why I will use an WHITE filter on an BLACK adapter ....

I’ve never used the 5D2 but I technically prefer the FF look when it comes to portrait shots. Of course, this is not to say I haven’t gotten good results with a crop camera, but I’ve found it easier with FF. Shots are a bit crisper too, which makes any prints made a bit more vibrant/3D looking.

That said, in your situation would I go out of my way to jump to FF? Probably not. The 80D and 50mm shot “wide open” is already approximating the look of 85mm FF at 2.8. If you’re already happy, I’d stick with the status quo. I only made the jump to FF because I wanted more...

Canon Japan also shows the Polarizer and Clear as an accessory to this.
So hopefully they will offer these slide ins by themselves.

I bought the circ pol for the 500mm Version I from Canon and I always thought it was crap.
I really hope we see great 3rd party options eventually.

I agree with the above poster - that’s the next logical step. Take the 50MP sensor, remove the low-pass filter entirely, add DPAF functionality, improve high ISO performance (or at least reduce color noise). In fact, taking a look at the manual for the R, the crop options and C-RAW mode could come in incredible handy for a higher-res body. Imagine a 20MP crop mode (instead of just 11) or having 50MP compressed RAW files at only 30-40MB. Only major issue would be speed...the existing R is already slower than a 5D4...

neuroanatomist said:

The full ring will slide right over the front of most lenses, including the 200-400. Actually, looking at the measurements it might slide over the front of the 600 II without the hood, but based on TDP's measurements there's less than a millimeter of clearance.

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Now that's a tight fit

I think it's safe to say we'll be seeing a 28mm and 40mm Art lens? their cinema lineup has always mirrored the Art line up until this point.

Maybe I could see the dropping the 5DSR line in favour of mirrorless. The majority of users of that camera are not action shooters(although obviously some use it for wildlife). I cannot see the 7d or 1d line disappearing yet as mirrorless is just not up to scratch for that use. Maybe we should pay close attention to what they do with the rebels. If they drop low end DSLRs then they will lose the models that get users into DLSRs, after which they upgrade to higher end models. Without a rebel lineup we could safely say canon are giving up on DSLRs. if they keep it then DSLRs are not going anywhere yet. So a revised possible set of releases for next year could be the 7D3, 90D, 1 Rebel, EOS R(x) 3-5 R lenses or7D3, EOS R(x) and the mirroless lenses?

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But which mount should the plug be? You see, one way or another, the mount question stays unresolved for now.

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Oh don't fret none over that. We're talking Canon here so it will be HDMI - mini no doubt...

With the new eos r release, is this lens still confirmed in development? I've been holding off on a zoom for my run and gun work and wanted to know whether to wait for this lens. I returned a tamron g2 because I wanted to stay in the canon line even though the tamron had weather sealing, good autofocus and similar iq to my canon primes from what I saw. I don't need a zoom yet for paid work but if forced to, I'll pick up the 24-70mkii l lens.

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