I recall that in the flurry of rumors over the last month or so there was clear contradiction between September release rumours and 'quarter 1 2019' rumours - the heavy possibility is that both were correct but they were about different cameras. There were also rumors that more than one camera was due to drop. I'm not convinced that Canon would vacate the 'semi-professional' FFM segment for any period - the lens development that they have clearly done to date is far more than you would do for an EOS-R camera alone.

DManInDFW said:

After much thought and consideration, I'm really leaning toward the 80D either new or refurbished and adding the Canon Portrait and Travel kit which provides me with 2 lenses: the EF 50mm 1.8 STM (Nifty Fifty), and the EF-S 10-18 IS STM. This would give me a 1.8 portrait lens and a good wide angle lens for landscapes, something I am most definitely missing today. I will gift my sons my old T1i with the 18-55 kit lens it came with (that's still floating around my house somewhere) or Going refurb on the 80d and purchasing lens kit puts me at $1200 or if I go new on both I'm at $1349. Both options still below $1399 for a refurbished 6D Mk II. Thoughts?

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I've been shooting the 80D since it was released in 2016 and absolutely love it, I carry it with me almost every day. I also have both the 50 1.8 and the 10-18 and they are both actually quite sharp and VERY decent lenses.
You will not regret getting the 80D. It even feels more professional like than any Rebel, 77D, SL2, etc. (a little bigger and feels better in the hand). In my opinion it handles much better than any Rebel or like Rebel camera, it's a step up.

Also, the 70-300mm L-Lense works absolutely perfect on it as you mentioned you have that lens. My 70-300L is basically glued to my 80D !

I also have the 6D2 and love it but I do not use the 6D2 more than my 80D; They each have their place but in my opinion, the 80D might actually be more versatile than the 6D2, especially when it comes to longer lenses.....The 6D2 is a little better camera than the 80D but not by much.

martti said:

BTW it is remarkable how beautiful the EOS R sample pictures are on the DPR site.

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Almost as if I could pick up the camera and just make it work for me...

Thanks, by the way. Glad you enjoyed them. More to come. It really is lovely how easy it is to edit Canon files in ACR/Lightroom. Select 'Camera Standard' as the profile and the colors, well, just work. Requiring minimal post-processing.

3kramd5 said:

I’m unclear on why a 12-bit machine vision sensor from Sony is a leap forward beyond the production-worthy global shutter CMOS sensors in Canon and Sony cinema cameras (and others as well), and why it portends Canon falling behind technologically.

Superficially this reads much like the CMOSIS sensor, but smaller.

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I don't think sony is that far ahead of canon right now but as time goes on this could be a problem for canon. I think canon has the best ergonomics, great color, great lenses and support which is why I stay with them. They make taking pictures enjoyable. Being a software developer I know right now that finding and keeping the right people is the hardest part for companies. If your company is not seen as a company that is going in the right direction, it gets harder and harder to attract those people. I am sure all the Japanese camera companies are going through this especially with the declining young population in Japan. With sensors going into almost everything. I think sony has the advantage. This is one of their main lines of business. It will be interesting to see though. Personally I don't care too much because I can take a fabulous photo with any of the new cameras no matter who makes them.

Executive summary for those with ADHD: the dude complains about the M.Fn touchbar location, but also complains about the fact that Canon has a setting to prevent accidental operation of the same touchbar. Canon can't win either way with this guy.

They've probably redid the microlenses (they have a patent on that) to adapt them to a shorter flange distance.

My mistake. The split is to show which direction to move the focussing ring in manual focus when you have hit the screen to show what you want to focus on (start at 2:55):


The focus distance is only shown with RF lenses apparently.

RGF said:

Thanks

I know fluorescent lights have a strong green component. I presume that the bright light in your image is from a halogen light.

I have shot the moon w/ my old 500 F4 (version 1) and don't remember seeing a green halo.

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(Over)Expose the moon bright enough and you'll get a halo with any lens. That's not to say that a halo from a DO lens will be exactly the same as a halo from a non-DO lens. It will vary for any two disparate lens designs.

Hi Viggo.
I don’t know if this was a temporary glitch or if it is still happening, if it is still a problem it seems CR Guy is monitoring this thread https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?threads/suggestions-issues-with-the-new-cr-site.35525/ closely and sorting issues, try asking there.

Cheers, Graham.

Viggo said:

Didn't want to start a new thread, hope it's okay to post here:

HAs anyone else issue with not staying logged in in Chrome? I mark the "stay logged in" square, but every time I open the page I have to log in... I'm on a mac.

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Mikehit said:

I am not sure I would call that CA to be 'quite pronounced' but we all have our own expectations. CA happens most in areas with high contrast so if it was a real issue I would expect to see it around the I would mounts for the indicators or around the bumper stickers.
The image with the woman urging on the competitor, it seems to be more about subject movement - what shutter speed were you using as a matter of interest?

The speedbooster had an internal lens and the more glass surfaces you have the more likely you are to have aberrations.

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I was between 1/2000 and 1/4000 for those shots.

I guess I say it's pronounced because I've never actually seen it in anything I've done before. I was more curious than anything else. Thanks for the explanation!

dtaylor said:

From early reviews the Nikon MILCs have their own issues. Just listen to Tony and Chelsea talk about the AF.

The R is fundamentally solid on stills, thanks in no small part to DPAF, but missing some key specs. This is because Canon feels very little competitive pressure. Despite all the Sony/Fuji/mirrorless hype DSLR sales are strong, EF lens sales are strong, and they remain the market leader. By the numbers Sony has taken Nikon sales, not so much Canon. Even the M series sells well. Given the market Canon will of course skip some features to position the R below the 5D IV.

On video I don't know if they are really protecting their cinema line or if there's simply a fab issue. I never thought DR was that big of an issue, but Canon lagged on DR for a long time simply due to fab limitations. Maybe we're in the same spot with sensor readout speed and TDP.

If so I hope they resolve it fast because they can't sit on cropped underperforming video as long as they sat on DR.

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Canon could reinvent the DSLR into the DML. Think of the sales they could create if they had parallel systems (5DM5 and ML 5D M5, 1Dx M3 and the ML 1Dx M3, 7D M3, ML 7D M3). Yes everyone could use the EOS L lens on the ML but if the new RF lenses are lighter and sharper, then over time there would be a lot of replacement glass purchased.

Well that is my thought on this might play out.

Obviously a paid Canon shill.

• "This lens-based IS may be even better than IBIS"
• "The 4K crop doesn't bother me too much"

And perhaps most damningly:

• NO MENTION OF ONLY A SINGLE CARD SLOT

Michael Clark said:

Well, unless the extra pins are all for the control ring on the new adapter.




The EF mount uses serial communication, not parallel, for different things on different pins. Three of the current eight pins on the EF mount are power supply voltages only, not data. And again, you're making a huge assumption that some or all of those extra pins are not there solely for the benefit of the added control ring on the adapters/new lenses.

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Yeah. It’s also possible that the new pins do NOTHING right now; and are merely there to provide the possibility of future functionality without changing the lens mount (for example, higher voltage power feed for future lenses without blowing up existing lenses).

As someone (I think neuro?) pointed out, they already improved the speed of the EF data transfer several times in the past 30 odd years since release. You can get a lot of data across just one short serial link at very high speeds without needing to change the interface.

I very much doubt it’s about improving data transfer.

DPR has had raws for download for a couple of days or more, they used a beta version of ACR to demosaic them.

Was there any talk of launch events happening in Canada? They seem to be happening everywhere else.

neuroanatomist said:

The above implies all RF lenses are sealed (the RF 35mm doesn't appear to have a mount gasket), and the existence of seale.d EF-S lenses.

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There are many out there.
You just have to know where to look.

dtaylor said:

If Canon had a few more primes like the 22 f/2 the M series would probably have a cult following. The lens costs practically nothing yet can hang IQ wise with much, much more expensive glass. It's so good and cheap it's worth buying an M body, slapping on that lens, and treating it like a P&S even if you have another crop system (Sony or Fuji).

I wish they would do a cheap 32 f/2 and a cheap 85 f/2 or f/2.8 with IQ similar to the 22 f/2. That would make for one heck of a lightweight, low cost, high IQ kit.

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I think it may have a cult following already, a cult that likes inexpensive, light high quality zooms, with a couple of inexpensive, light high quality primes thrown in.

jeanluc said:

A while back we heard there would be 2 mirrorless bodies, released by I think halfway through 2019. I recall one being a 30 mp body and the second a lower resolution one. The first part of that post by CR Guy has borne out. I sure hope the second camera is a higher, not lower res body. Just wondering if there is any further info on this? That source seemed to know what they were talking about....

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Or maybe it will indeed have lower MP using the 1DX sensor. This would solve the 4k crop and it would be a low-light machine. Not for sports and action, but for documentaries and lovers of availible light photography. I would prefer that resolution compared to the 30 of the R.

B.

Jethro said:

So you're saying there is likely to be a need for firmware updates to 'properly' use them via the wizz-bang adaptors?

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With any new body, there is always the possibility of glitches. With the dock, the firmware in the lenses can be easily updated.

BeenThere said:

There must me some way to lock the shutter open when the lense is removed to provide access.

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Bulb mode.

Nokishita reported on 08/15/2018 the following unreleased gear appeared for certification at various authorities

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DS 126721
Interchangeable lens camera
made in Japan
SKU: 3075C003AA, 3075C013AA, 3075C023AA
Wi-Fi · Bluetooth installed
Battery: LP-E6 / LP-E6N (or equivalent)
The same radio parts as KissM
PC 2357
Digital camera
Wi-Fi · Bluetooth installed
Battery: LP-E6 / LP-E6N (or equivalent)
The same radio parts as KissM
Interchangeable lens (5)
SKU: 2439C005AA, 2959C005AA, 2963C005AA, 2972C005AA, 3045C005AA
Production: Japan
Interchangeable lens (3)
SKU: 2965C005AA, 2973C005AA, 3329C005AA
Production: Taiwan or Japan
DS401221
Speedlight
SKU: 3249C003AA
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I assume the following
DS 126721 - EOS R

Below are the 5 lenses SKU: 2439C005AA, 2959C005AA, 2963C005AA, 2972C005AA, 3045C005AA
EF 600 f/4L III
EF 400 f/2.8L III
RF 24-105 f/4L
RF 27-70 f/2L
RF 50 f/1.2L

Below are the two among these three SKU: 2965C005AA, 2973C005AA, 3329C005AA
RF 35mm f/1.8 IS Macro STM
Canon EF-M 32mm f/1.4 STM

DS401221 is the EL-100

Any one else things that way? Is it fair to assume in any case there is one more body (PC 2357) and one more lenses comes out soon? If so any guess what are those could be?

I was looking at the $500 discount on the Eos-1DX Mark II today. On the B&H Photo website the discount is valid only until September 8. On the US Canon website the discount is available until September 22.

Two questions:
1. I have regularly followed the discounting from Canon. For this $500 discount which has been going on since at least end of 2017, the discount period has always been a full month. Does ending the discount on September 22 mean something? It's right before Photokina.

2. I have never seen a discrepancy on the discount expiry date between B&H and Canon. This time there is a major discrepancy. Does this mean anything?

fullstop said:

hehe! a truly CanonFanBoy worthy interpretation!

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Yup! And I am in love with that 3.1 pound lens. Love big heavy glass. Thank you, Canon.

Lurker said:

Be careful when looking at and comparing MTF charts. There was a discussion on the new 600 f/4 that the new charts may be using a different standard. The new 600 III MTF looks bad when compared to the MTF charts released with the 600 II. The RF 24-105 has the new "Look", it only has 4 lines instead of the 8 used in the old charts for the EF 24-105. Not sure what it all means or what's changed. Canon Japan had the new charts for both the 600 II and III and they showed an improvement in the corners for the 600 III.

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We're all just waiting for Uncle Roger to do real MTF charts anyway. No one will know anything until does an apples-to-apples test comparison. And snarks.

Here is a good basic video of R body layout, functions and performance from cameralabs. Includes some discussion and footage using the R’s video. I have no connection with these people, just thought they did a good job with this video. Scroll down a bit for the video.

https://www.cameralabs.com/canon-eos-r-review/