AJ said:

I'm planning to send in the camera for repair. Canon Canada quoted 150 CAD with their on-line quote system I think I will give that a go. I really like this camera, and for 150 bucks I won't find anything close to this quality.

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I had an S95 before I got the S120. I passed it along to a friend after I bought the G7X II and kept the S120 for a back up. The latter fits in my pocket better, even my shirt pocket if I don't have anything else in it. Either camera fits well into a jacket pocket. I can see why you would like the S110 based on my experiences with its siblings.

It does take a moment longer than the 5D MK4 and even the 80D but these are 50 MP files. Haven't tried it, but I think it would speed up if you select a smaller pic and not shoot in raw but then what is the point? Probably only way to speed it up is to get a 5DsR MK2 when it comes out.

CanonFanBoy said:

B&H does some things right. B&H does some things very wrong in my opinion.

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Did I ever say anything different?

From my first post "Not condoning anything that smacks of bad, unsafe, or discriminatory practices," I just added that I think we, the consumer, have to bear some of the responsibility for it. If you choose to abdicate your portion of responsibility fine, have at it, but that outlook doesn't make the world a safer place for warehouse workers who are abused pretty much across the board by most big companies.

Zod said:

I think many people still prefer to have an integrated viewfinder at the expense of the size (not me).
With an M you will never have that type of lens (considering the specifications published a year ago).

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I honestly don't know. canon does. I guess we'll find out.

Hi Mt Spokane!

Mt Spokane Photography said:

Why does the AF not work for you?

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I am using my DSLRs 99% with OVF. Here the 10+ years 9 pt AF of the 100D/SL1 is simply not accurate enough (for me) and of course I am also a little bit spoiled by my 5D3. Of course I do not expect anything close to that in a xxxD/Rebel body.
But as I've stated in other threads about the SL1/100D for me the AF system would have been #1 reason to upgrade, and I was quite willing to do so.

The DPAF, in particular is fast and accurate, and tracking works fine.

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As I am not using LiveView most of the time DPAF is nice for you but not for me.

Do you own one, or just read reviews from others who don't own one either?

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Yes, I own a 100D/SL1 as I also own a 5D3.
And no, I don't own a 200D/SL2. But I also don't just read reviews from others who don't own one either.
I know my brick and morter stroe in Nürnberg and I like to take hands on new stuff. The 200D AF didn't feel different or better within the time I could hold it in my hand.
And as we came across here at CR you might have recognized that I am no troll and no Canon basher either.
But it seems you like to push me into that corner. Please stop that, because I gave you no reason for that.

I am just upset that Canon is still implementing an AF system more than 10 years old in a todays camera.

I guess that I've spent most of my 60 years of photography with just one AF point, and did fine

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Please tell me what kind of consumer camera was availale 60 years ago with AF?
And you might also agree that a daguerreotype camera no longer is what someone calls "state of the art", don't you?

I like my new 5D MK IV, but for 1/6th the price, the SL-2 is very good.

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I am with you here that the 200D/SL2 is a good package, as my 100D was at the time of release, except for the AF system, that was old even 4 years ago.
Here Canon made a decission that took me off the buyers list. That's it.
If the other features take more buyers on the list than like me off it, Canon made everything right.
Even with an outdated AF system.

Hold on, are you trying to say that ISS exists??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e-RnKAN9qY

Just kidding

Daniela,
you lost me right there, at the 7-8 weeks repair turnaround period. I do not gamble, do not believe in fairys, unicorns and trust that sh1te happens when it is least expected.

with regards to fanboyism of this forum:
we like Canon products as they are reliable, well engineered and manufactured, ergonomically designed, easy to use and get the job done at pro level. We are group of likeminded individuals that firmly believe that cameras are tools with mid to long term lifespan and therefore specs come second and real world experience comes first.
I hope it helps.

daniela said:

Hi Guys!

I had the A9 in my hands for two days at an Sony powered photographic outdoor portrait workshop. It is an nice body, with different handling. It is superfast and shows an amazing image quality. Also, we were working with the Alpha 7R Mk II, that is an amazing body for stills or portrait too. For my small hands those bodies are a lot easier to handle
As I post in an Canon fanboys ;D forum, I will comment some shortcomings: First, the AF and the shooting speed of the A9 suffers when you attach an adapter for the 500mm Sony lens. On the second day, I mounted my Canon 500mm 4.0 II on an adapter from an workshop participant. Also slow and the AF hunted a lot.
Second, mounting the lens on an tripod is not easy, as my lens grip is to small. I was told to use an longer third party grip to get the body and the lens in balance. Some 2-3 inches in front seems to be missing.
And also, it appears to be dangerous to hold the body on the grip when the Sony body is attached. It is more shaking than on my Canon 5D body. It looks too filigree.
And at last, the service is incredible. You have to own more than two highend bodies and more than three highend lenses to get an faster service : Some participants claimed an 8-10 weeks long repair time on Alpha 7 bodies.

Summed up, the Sony bodies offer an incredible quality at sharpness, details and colours. But do not offer longer and "pricy" primes for birding and no "prime" service.

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andrei1989 said:

yeah...less than 1 year after the 2018 show...
will manufacturers be expected to bring out new stuff every year now?
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The photokina makers said that the maket improves faster and so they a changing to an annual sequence. (see above)
Problem here in Germany is that the photokina in September was too close to the IFA (Internationale Funkausstellung Berlin = International radio exhibition Berlin, a.k.a. 'Berlin Radio Show') that partly was addressing similar topics and became an annual show in 2006. Before that they were alternating.

So they had to look for another time in the year. We'll see with the 2020 fair, if they will stay in May or if they rethink their schedule.

But as the fair makers also want to earn money their decissions normally are really well-considered and backed with surveys of exhibitors and customers.

Meatcurry said:

I might be in the minority here, but I think Canon will keep the mirror for its high end pro cameras, but use Pellicle or variable transmittance mirrors in combination with hybrid EVF/OVF, lots of patents for both elements have appeared in the last few years.

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Hope not another SLT like the Sony A mount cameras. I had the A99, don't want another one made by Canon

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Jopa said:

Maiaibing said:

YuengLinger said:

I can, however, see its appeal to those who don't know about AFMA, don't even know about aperture, and that's a big market. Canon seems to be a company that does solid market research!

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Would never even consider getting a DSLR without AFMA...

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I think for the folks that shoot @ f/5.6 it won't matter much. But I agree if they included AFMA that would be a terrific camera.

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Wrong AF @ f/5.6 is a problem just with consumer tele and macro lenses ... on a 24 MPix APS-C body (would be 62 MPix on FF). f/5.6 is the "new 4.0 or 2.8" for these sensors. I think that SL2 might be some path from smart phone photography to SL2 to 6D to whatever - so it might matter for those who just want to see if a DSLR is better than a smart phone for photography.

And after some initial use of the SL2 I see some things with the AF I do not understand. I won't blame camera and/or lens for that. But having AFMA would NOW be great as an optional tool - so +1 for your statement, that AFMA would make it a terrific camera!

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After much mure use (and besides testing) of my 200D I am shure that the 9pt AF system focuses right including EF 2.0 100mm.

I was misled by the small extension of the AF LEDs in the view finder. My idea is that the extension of the AF sensor fields is larger than the LED spot and larger than the small frames around it. While PD AF locks in to the nearest object in the range of the subsensor arrays of each AF point some plants slightly before the plant (on an acre) might have locked AF but not the intended plant slightly behind it. So I misinterpreted it as "front focusing".

Maximilian said:

My conclusion:
If you need a spare body, keep it.
If you are looking for a new lens, sell it to fund the glass.

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look like a good conclusion, thanks !
and i think i don't need a spare body, neither a new lens

I will check to sell my 5d2 in shop...but it hurts my heart...

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zim said:

Can any topic in CR actually end without insults any more..... sigh

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Insults? I must have missed that. A fair bit of talking at cross purposes, which is par for the course.

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yip, line was removed.
I only commented because I was really enjoying the thread, thanks to OP for posting!

scottburgess said:

I sometimes use the MP-E 65mm in the field, like you do. But I also have a table top platform with a Cognisys StackShot, and will probably soon get a 10X objective to do higher magnification work. It's fun learning new things and meeting new challenges!

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I have a tabletop setup with a 10x Nikon plan B. So you're saying with concentrated and polarized light you should be able to see what pattern actually makes up the iridescence? What portion of the wasp would be ideal to photograph? I think focusing on one of the dimples in the thorax may be interesting, and doing a stack of it.

Great! Now you've reminded me that I need to buy Zerene :

LesC said:

Amazon UK currently have the 6D MKII for £1680 - saving of £319 on most other outlets. I was going to wait until prices dropped & P/ex my 6D but tempted now....

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I'd be tempted too - I guess it depends on how "badly" you "need" it.

Jack

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jeffa4444 said:

I stand by the Bill Claff comment my point was his methods are consistent.

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And what's the value of consistent testing of inconsistent subject matter, exactly?

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As I understand it, each frame (maybe this I unique to Canon, I don't know) has a small border where no image is recorded but is used as a noise reference point to generate the image, and Bill takes data from that area which would mean that image content is irrelevant to how he is taking his measurements.

I wait to be corrected but if so it may inspire someone to give an idiot's guise as to how he does it.

Mancubus said:

because we're either fanboys or got so much glass it would cost too much to bother changing.

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LMFTFY

Because Canon cameras do the job.

SecureGSM said:

Would 5 min long exposure with lens cap on do the trick? I guess, it should. If so, then perhaps it makes it easier for Don to find that dark scene to use for comparison with cameras at work and at home.

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Yes this can be good. clearly I'm looking for RAW unprocessed data.

Joules said:

rfdesigner said:

Dark Current.

The 7DII is a monster in this regard, while the 6D mkI is more ho-hum, would be interesting to see where the MkII stands.

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Sorry to go off topic here, but I have been wondering how dark current noise becomes visible in an image and searching on Google i haven't found any great examples. Is it the same as thermal noise that appears in long exposures? So, do different sensors differ visibly in how much of it they produce? In that case, I'd be interested in this too.

Here's a 100% crop of a long exposure I've taken at a beach, where the only light comes from the sky in the background and a 30% moon to the left. It was 1 am and pretty damn dark to the eye, there's 0 direct light on the front of that building. 210 seconds, f/5.6, ISO 400, Canon T3i, pushed by 1 stop in LR with a hint of clarity to show the dots better. Is that nasty intense color noise there also dark current or is it something else? Because i really dislike it, and wondered if moving to a different camera would get reduce it in scenarios like this.

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What happens is the apparent read-noise increases, it's a key number for astro-imaging, as poor dark current can swamp sky glow limiting ultimate sensitivity, it becomes a real problem for narrowband imaging where you're excluding 99% of the light. If you wanted a single star trail image with great long arcs you might want to do this by shooting with a stopped down lens but you'd probably choose ISO100 first, using ISO3200 just makes it easier to measure.

here's a nice graph of different canon cameras from clark vision: http://www.clarkvision.com/reviews/evaluation-canon-7dii/dark-current-compared_2-6c-v1.gif

One thought... a long and a short image of the lens cap would be a good idea. I'll try and do a star trail image the next clear night I get to show the kind of impact with the 6D... could be a while, we're getting a lot of rain/cloud at the moment.


EDIT: ok.. I've checked elsewhere and determined the 6D gain @ ISO3200 is 5ADU/e. I've taken a blank ISO3200 300s image and the noise (as measured in IRIS, in un-debayered form) is 57ADU.. this translates back to approx 2e/s, which correlates well with the above link (@20C). For reference a sub 1s image with otherwise identical settings produces only 12ADU of noise.

Interestingly there is no DC-offset in the 300s blank image.. which means Canon must be processing the RAWs, probably averaging the unlit pixels and taking this value from the rest of the frame before saving.

SecureGSM said:

Jopa,

if that was funny, then please watch this video. see the link below. an eye opener, a shocker, absurdly and hilarious at the same time. It left me scratching my head if that guy is for real or pulling my finger.
Idiots do exist. Its a full time job for many. I know, I live long enough.
this video is about how not to go about modifying your photo equipment.. it is entertaining though..

Disclaimer: I manged to remove that screw in 20 seconds.. no equipment was harmed in the process.

I strongly recommend watching this video. trust me

link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtdpTuJXZjQ

Jopa said:

Funny!

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That was NUTS! I'm wondering why he couldn't just use a sledgehammer?

I did some testing in the sun today and got a decent magnified projected image with my 6X monocular. Had to attach it to the ball head clamp with two stout rubber bands. The sun's image size depends on distance. At three feet it is about the size of a silver dollar. Twice that at six feet. Tried a 8X monocular and found alignment was much more difficult. The objective facing the sun needs to be exactly perpendicular to the sun and the sun keeps moving across the sky. A shade panel must also be mounted on the monocular to cast a shadow on the imaging screen. I just unscrewed the objective and cut a hole the same size in dense cardboard, mounted it on the threads and then screwed the objective back in place.

The first one is great! She looks like a very strong woman, well done for capturing that!

Well, I pulled the trigger on a 100-400 today.

I tried the Sigma 100-400 today in the store, and after a couple of hours and much agonizing, I ended up buying the Canon 100-400.

It wasn't easy, mostly because the Sigma is SO much cheaper. Comparing photos between this and the Canon, and then looking at the results on a PC, I couldn't tell which camera took which photo, even magnified to 200%.
I thought the Sigma photos were very sharp, and the lens felt really nice in my hands. Ultimately, however, I bought the Canon because of many non-top-line factors. The first two were the most important non-top-line considerations:

* The minimum focus distance on the Sigma is 6.3ft; on the Canon it's 3.5ft. That's a huge difference on subjects like hummingbirds. Also, it opens up a lot more opportunities to blur out the background (400mm @ 5.6 @ close range).

* AF compatibility with 1.4xTC

- The canon locking collar is really excellent. You can lock the zoom at any level, instead of just at minimum zoom. It's also a collar, instead of a switch like the Sigma.

- At least on the copies I was testing, the AF on the Canon felt quicker and more confident.

- Tripod mount is a thing. I want to handhold this lens, but the option, if not critical, is certainly a consideration. Plus, the 100-400 has a really nice tripod collar/mount, with the detachable foot.

- IS mode 3 - this is where IS doesn't kick in until the moment the sensor is going to capture the image. I have no idea how well this works in practice, but it sounds like a lovely idea.

- The Canon 100-400L really does feel awesomely engineered. It's the difference between premium and ultra-premium.

- The Canon comes with a really nice lens hood. with a little door that lets you slide open and adjust polarizers. Ok, I will probably use this.. never... but it's still cool.

- Resale: should I decide to sell it, the Canon will barely depreciate.

And of course, there were top-line features; the wider aperture being by far the most important. I tried the AF thing with the subject moving towards me, and I didn't have a problem with either, but I will take the review at its word that when it's a fast moving object (like a dog), this becomes an issue. Not a big deal for me.

At the end of the day, I don't think I would have gone wrong with either, but the 100-400L is definitely a more premium lens (with the accompanying price tag). I don't think I would have been unhappy with the Sigma, but I knew I would always wonder if I would have loved the Canon more.

On the subject of price, and not that it was relevant to my decision, I was kind of stunned at the price difference between Sony and Canon lenses. With a little store discount for being a regular, the Canon came out to about $1,950 USD (about $100 less than Amazon US price). The Sony was like, $2,500!

jeffa4444 said:

20 stop Super Stopper from Lee Filters

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Sorry for the late response, just saw that 'answer'

Do not use an ND filter for photographing the Sun and definitely not for viewing it. There's a reason Solar-rated filters have sold-out in the USA and ND filters have not; they do two totally different things.

Do not use ANY filter, Solar-rated or not, that is exposed like a square-frame filter where it could be inadvertently damaged and cracked.

keithcooper said:

The only reason that 210mm is in the list was that it was in the 25/55/85/210 collection of Mamiya lenses I have, and it seemed a shame to leave it out ;-)

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Nice demo, then!

Good work, SecureGSM!

Don Haines said:

tomscott said:

This thread is frankly a snore fest.

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I disagree.....

The thread is very educational. I have learned that I can replace my Canon system with four other systems.... I have learned that if you compare Olympus's 2017 flagship camera against a ten year old Canon mid-range camera, that the 2017 flagship is ahead in some areas.... and most important of all, I have learned that the 6D2 is the worst camera ever built and has extreme fixed pattern noise!

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LOL! The colors seem to be awful too. I can help you recycling your camera if you'd like.