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Review: Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III

douglaurent said:
CanonFanBoy said:
douglaurent said:
People here seem to assume that nobody at Canon does care about this website and the forum. That has to be either wrong, or it is correct and would make Canon look stupid as they would not check out social media in the year 2016 for feedback - especially when it's probably the world's best and fastest source for Canon product leaks.

Both ways would prove my points of a) the expectation that they are aware of what is said here, or b) that they are lame and ignorant and don't know what's really going on among many users.

It is safe to say that Canon does not make market decisions based on this website OR the product information leaks.

Canon certainly doesn't follow the rants like: "I would advise Canon to..." Or, "If Canon would listen to my ideas, Canon wouldn't be so lame."

Certainly you live in Alice's Wonderland.

Sony is the answer. ::)

So you say that a) Canon will not listen to any user feedback, or b) Canon will only listen to some random users from some random sources, but definitely not and never the biggest Canon social media websites, although they will include the most honest and unfiltered opinions?

No, I am saying we are the random sources and that our influence is very near zero. Look up random. One doesn't make decisions based on random sources that are nameless, faceless, and may not even own a single Canon product. There are probably many people on this site who don't own what they say they own.

One only needs to look at the flippy screen controversy as an example: People claiming their noses change the settings have never used the product. I have a pretty long schnoz. No settings ever changed on the 70D I owned because of my nose.

Another example: There are people who said that touch screens have no business on a pro level camera. Canon would never do that. It's just a toy if it has a touch screen. Blah, blah, blah.

They were saying such things just a year ago. Now look at the 1Dx Mark II and the 5D Mark IV. Both have a touch screen. Where did those experts go? Was Canon listening to them? No. Canon listened to the market as a whole and decided the market wanted touch screens. Now, not nary a one of those forum product development experts is opening his mouth.

Most honest and unfiltered opinions? Pfhhttttt! There are very few experts here. There are zero unfiltered opinions (Look up the difference in definition between opinion and truth.). I am wise enough to admit that Canon would have no business listening to me. Every opinion I have is filtered and so are yours based on what you the individual want... not what the market will support.

Canon doesn't care about opinions of the haunters of social media sites like this. People that cannot even agree whether or not a camera is good or bad (Many times without even owning or using the product) make sites like this a piss poor place from which to make market decisions.

Canon cares about what is going to make Canon the most money. They don't care what I prefer, nor is anyone at Canon waiting to hear or read what Doug Laurent has to say about anything. Neither you nor I, pal, are that important. If either of us think so, then we truly have unrealistically grandiose opinions of ourselves and should check into a mental ward.

There isn't some guy in Japan looking at this website saying, "My God, we'd better get to making what these people (who have trouble agreeing on much at all) on this website want."

Personally, Doug, I have a Swiss Army knife. It isn't worth a darn. It has all the little tools in one small package, but almost none of them are any good for much.

For the record: I did not say that Canon would not listen to any user feedback. Canon just doesn't care about mine or yours individually. It is the market as a whole whose opinion matters. That and specific users selected by Canon that have earned Canon's respect. Not numskulls like us who mostly don't have enough knowledge or the wear with all to have a significantly informed market opinion on how to run a multinational company and know the direction product development should be taking.

Profit, market share, and sales are what matter most. These added to together = satisfied customers.

The greatest of these is profit.

So if you think that by posting on this website that you have a direct conduit to Canon's product development ear, and that Canon is waiting to read what you have to say, you are sorely mistaken. Delusional even.

This website is mostly entertainment; and I'd like to thank you personally for being so entertaining.

Sure, we all have the right to voice our opinions. Just don't start thinking Canon is waiting to read what you have to say and the CEO or anyone else is going to yell, "Yoshi! Get on it!"
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6D Sudden Hang Issue

wsmith96 said:
I had an issue where my 6D would stop autofocusing occassionally when using a 70-200mm. My solution was to reseat the lens. I sent it in to canon and they changed out a circuit board in my lens which they deemed to be faulty, though I never had an issue using it on any of my other cameras. That was the extent of the description I got.

So far, so good. It's been about 2 months since the repair.

-wes

Hi, wssmith96,
The time my camera hang was attached with 50mm f/1.4.
I took out the battery and on it again with same lens, so far that's the only incident.
Will continue to observe.
Thanks for the sharing anyway.
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What if Canon made a speed booster adapter for EOS to M mount?

in promciple yes, but much lower percentages ... :-)

if "old glass" means current Canon mirrorslapper EF lenses ... yes.
if by you mean old manual clunkers, then no. tiny minority of less than 1% fools, who seriously want to use their optically subpar old glass bottle bottoms designed for film on today's hi-rez image sensors. typically those folks also love "retro" cameras with lots of mono-functional wheels, knobs and buttons. and aperture rings on lenses ... la la Fuji-land denizens!

99% are people in their right mind who smartly avoid spending tons of money on freaking expensive f/1.2 crop lenses for use on crop sensors only. they buy FF sensor cameras and FF-capable lenses - either Sony or for lack of FF mirrorless FF systems by Canon or Nikon ... mirrorslapper cameras and EF or F-mount lenses.

in terms of Crop sensor MILC systems, Canon is abolutely on the right track: use a large enough sensor (APS-C, not puny m43 or punier Nikon CX), and keep it small, keep it simple, keep it affordable!

no need whatsoever for expensive, big, fat *fast crop prime lenses*. leave that tiny 55mm f/1.2 niche to Fuji-nerds.

good quality, small, convenient zooms like EF-M 11-22, 18-55, 55-200 plus a few moderately fast, very high optical quality, very small and excelkent value primes like 22/2, 28/2.8 macro are right on track. plus hopefully some day EF-M 85/2.4 STM IS plus maybe a EF-M 50/1.8. bring it on, Canon! forget about 10/2.0, 35/1.4, 55/1.2, 85/1.4 lenses for CROP sensored camera systems, not needed. buy an FF sensored camera and highly affordable f/1.8 to f/2.8 lenses ... much more sensible and way more useful!

a Canon EF/EF-M speedbooster adapter for "old" EF glass and those few, who believe in free optical lunch might sell in reasonable numbers, but not at 500 but rather at 199.
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LensTip Review: Sigma A 12-24 mm f/4 DG HSM

GMCPhotographics said:
I also find that Simga launch prices are quite laughable. They tend to settle down after a year or so.

You sure about that? Since the 'Art Prime Era', price has been steady as a rock. Both the 35 and 50 Art remain at their original asking price.

- A

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24-70 II slight clicking sound when zooming

Northstar said:
I’ve had mine since March 2013 and it did make the clicking noise at first, but slowly went away.
I’ve been using it for 2.5 years now and it’s a fantastic lens. I use it primarily for indoor sports action and it focuses quickly and accurately and the IQ is fantastic.
I had forgot that my copy initially had this issue so I got my but off the couch and just went and checked it...nothing nada zilch. No clicking sound and it works perfect.
north
The sound went away?! You are pretty lucky!
Some people says after a years of use the sound become louder or not change.
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Why is Canon Holding Back on Video Features on DSLRs? WATCH IT!

Jack Douglas said:
rrcphoto said:
John2016 said:
Actually YES.
Pointing to problems in this forum is called WHINING!

when it's all you do? yes it's whining.

this was your first of 47 posts.. you have basically "said" the same thing the other 40 some odd:

"From my 20 colleagues 16 went to Sony. Canon had a huge chance to innovate the market but this is a DEAD HORSE. I invested over 20k in Canon glass and I own Canon EOS-1D X Mark II.
Without the correct LUT and 4:4:4 output this is just a nice Z camera. We all been waiting for Canon to give us some innovation but in 2016 a touch screen and WIFI is simple not enough...
Fact is Sony is taking over and Canon with this strange marketing strategy is not going anywhere.
Protecting the C line is a very bad mistake..."

So pathetic it's funny.

Jack

True.

When you realize these clowns are just pulling numbers out their butt it makes for a smile or two.

Even the almighty A7S II is 4:2:2, so why Canon should be putting out a 4:4:4 to be competitive I don't know. Logic, it trips me up every time.
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Is the 50mm 1.8 STM sharper than a 70-200 2.8 II at similar apertures?

Mancubus said:
Mt Spokane Photography said:
Mancubus said:
. Was blaming myself, changing shooting techniques, trying all types of AF adjustments and nothing helped.

It sucks that such a high end product comes out of the box in need of adjustments that will leave you without your gear for over a month!

Unfortunately, in between the factory and the customer, there are the shipping companies. They are not kind to lenses, and sometimes there is some incredible stress when a forklift drops a pallet of packages 12 feet. You should always return a lens if it does not meet your expectations, shipping damages is a huge factor, its not something easy to control. Roger Cicala of lens rentals has discussed the shipping issue. They check every lens before its rented, and know that some are damaged in shipping because renters complain and return them with problems that were not there when it was shipped. My wife worked for a shipping company, and when the boss was away, they played football with packages at random, drop kicking them across the room into the containers. If they missed, they had to try again and again - you get the idea.

So, if you think a lens is not sharp, return it or send it for repair. Don't live with it and blam the manufacturer when it may have just been used in a game of football ;)

It took me weeks to start noticing that something was wrong. And here in Thailand the return policies are not as friendly as in the US or Europe, especially when you are a foreigner. At the best scenario they would ask me to send in my camera and lens for calibration (which I did after almost a year), but at the time I had an incoming trip and no way I would stay a month without my gear.

Anyway, for months I was blaming myself for my poor technique - because on online forums like this, the reason for poor shots is ALWAYS stupidity from the user, never the equipment.

I am glad you got the issue solved, the problem with blaming the gear is that its not the issue most of the time, however sometime it is to blame, and as with every other problem you may face in life, reducing the probabilities by checking common issues can help solve the problem faster, make a test that reduces human error, check all the common reasons, and when you are sure its not you, then send the gear to get fixed, this way you don't waste a month of your life with an issue that can be solved at home.
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Tamron to Announce 150-600mm f/5-6.3 Di VC USD G2

When I was in Alaska last year, a fellow and his wife from the UK had the Sigma Sport. He let me play with it a bit, but I felt it too heavy and bulky for me. On the other hand he later sent me some sample photos that were spectacular. He is less than half my age and obviously could handle the beast. I was using the 400mm f/5.6, which was before I added the 100-400mm II to my kit. My whale photos were sharp enough, but he captured much better breaching whale shots that I never even saw!
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Test Report - OLAF / Lens Rentals tests the 16-35 f/2.8L III

East Wind Photography said:
ahsanford said:
East Wind Photography said:
You cant control the tamron vignetting in camera but you can with the canon lens for both stills and video. If you shoot raw all the time, you can still correct it in post with nearly any pp software. Further with the newer cameras you can also correct for diffraction in camera. Something that you abolutely need with the tamron at smaller apertures...higher f-stop.

The nonsense about vignetting being an issue is no reason to not purchase this lens. Price and weight are bigger issues and once you can get over that, you will discover that it will pay for itself with higher quality photographs for which you can charge your clients more for.

If you are one of the landscape astro kinds of guys, the in camera correction wont bother you. If you are a serious astro enthusiast, you are going to take many shots, dark frames and flat frames and do the noise reduction with stacking software anyway. Yes, even with wide angle shots.

The other take from this is that with most lenses, the stars at the periphery are junk anyway and most will use wider than needed and crop to the center 2/3. With this lens you can use it all..at least at 16mm..so the benfits far outweigh any extra work one might need to do process the noise. In camera does an exceptional job at both but you end up with a jpg in the end and not able to do much with it after the fact.

With a non canon lens, you have to do everything in post.


It doesn't affect what I shoot (I don't shoot astro or video), but it may discourage some shooters.

Doesn't correcting lens vignetting -- either in-camera or in ACR / Lightroom -- effectively boost the signal and generate noise? Astro people probably don't want to boost anything by 4 stops, do they?

Please educate me here -- this is not something that's keeping me up at night and I've not done much reading on it.

- A

Sorry quoting got messed up. My reponse is in there....
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Error 70 Message

Thanks, each and all, for the error 70 suggestions.
I called CPS this morning and got excellent advice:
Since the error 70 message is triggered by an image defect, he suggested trying the cards one at a time, alone in the camera. So:
1. I took both cards out, turned camera on; the menu said it would not shoot without a card (which is of course how I set up the menu.) So far, so good.
2. I put in a different CF card. It worked.
3. I put in the same CF card. It worked.
4. I put in the SD card (alone); error 70. Camera unusable.
5. I put in a different SD card. It worked.
6. I put in new SD card and CF card. It worked.
So I think it is the original SD card.

A round of applause for Mill's Method of Concomitant Variation (and CPS!!)

The SD card is a Lexar Professional 64G 633X card, which, curiously, I have used for 3-4 months without any problems. So it all of a sudden got the vapors. I will have a chat with them.

Has anyone else experienced this with that type of Lexar card?

Thanks all, again.
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TDP Image Quality of 16-35 f/2.8L III posted

The thing is about the Tamron...if it's the only tamron in your kit bag and all your other lenses are Canon L's then you will see colour and contrast differences. The other thing is that I've not had a Tamron lens that has lasted in a professional context for more than a few years. I went through two Tamron 17-35mm dii lenses before I bought a 16-35IIL. The latter is now really old and a little tatty looking, but it's still performing well and it's well outlasted any 3rd party lens that I've bought. Ironically....even in it's current state, it is still worth more s/h than when I paid for it. I guess that's lens inflation and resale values for you! If I bought the Tamron, I would be concerned over long term reliability and I'd know that I could only sell it for a fraction of the price of the Canon...plus there's that whole front filter issue with it.
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