A Couple of Real World EOS 7D Mark II High ISO Samples

wtlloyd said:
"SARCASM" (def) - a swift bird that often flies over ones head.


vlim said:
If it had a sony sensor you wouldn't need 16,000 ISO. You could just keep all your shots at 100 and then fix everything in post. I can't believe that anyone would even buy a Canon camera anymore.

It's even worse to post some comments on a website dedicated to Canon gear and don't use Canon gear, i really don't understand 8)

Yes just to be clear I was being VERY sarcastic with my original post!
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Canon 6d vs 24-70mm mark ii

sdsr said:
For the reasons given by others already, I would go with the 6D too; superb image quality and you will likely appreciate the high ISO performance. What's more, all your lenses will suddenly provide a much much wider angle of view, providing significantly different ways of looking at the world - it's rather like replacing everything at once. And since you already have 17-40 and 70-200, you might want to consider selling both your 7D and your 24-70 (much of whose angle of view on your 7D will be covered by your 70-200 on the 6D) and buying a decent prime or two to fill in the gap and/or allow you to play around with even shallower focus (if that's of any interest to you) - a fast 50mm, or an 85mm portrait lens, say. Or you may decide that the gap doesn't need filling....

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7D Mk II Availability Question

Best Buy Stocking 7D Mkii's right now

I picked one up at my local Best Buy. I checked online just now (November 4th, 1:38 pm CTZ), and a number of local Best Buys here in Houston show availability for immediate pickup.

So if you want one today, check your local Best Buy. If they have it, buy it online and motor over to pick it up . . .

;D

Trey in Houston
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Selling 200-400

I will never sell my 200-400 lens for a Tamron or Sigma 150-600. The Sport version of Sigma seems to give good results. The big difference with the Canon 200-400 is that you need to switch in the extender to get a 280-560. That just seems to give you incorrect exposed photos. I never experienced that during switching in or out. I can understand that this problem is one of the drives to sell this lens. I would contact your dealer for that and try to find out what's going wrong, as I see many here on this forum who have no problem at all with this point.
Weight is not a big difference compared to the 200-400.
Max. aperture is really important for wildlife. I did find out a few weeks ago, that even after 16:00 the iso of the combo 1dx-200-400 dead go up immediately to 6400 and higher. With Sigma/Tamron you do directly start with f5, while the Canon keeps the f4 until 400mm.
Concerning hiring instead of owing such a lens, its quite clear. Look at the rental rates if you need to rent them 2 or 3 weeks a year. Then most economical is buying. See this lens as an investment. The value of the lens will not drop that quick. All the money you pay for renting that lens is really lost.
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7D mark II Handles High ISO Like A CHAMP!!!

Hello dear friends,
this is my first ever post in this forum and besides wishing all my best to you and your beloved i'd like to ask for your kind tolerance and understanding in case i make some mistakes or presenting my opinion in not a very understandable manner from time to time, due to written speech mishandling and differences in culture and way of thinking.

The reason i start this topic is a video i just watched on youtube (awaiting my pre-ordered 7d MkII) where a "white alternative kinda Bob Marley guy" called Jared Polin, whose reviews i watch from time to time, uses his newly acquired 7D MkII for some initial high ISO testing during a night concert. The quality of the stills and video looks phenomenal (at least for an APS-C sensor camera) and i think our high expectations about the original 7D's successor will be fulfilled to the core (at least mine who don't care about 4K, mirrorless and other marketing crap like that).
This is the link to the video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPuaIMd09BM

Once again, thanks for the space, time and freedom of speech you provide me, wishing luck, health, wealth and happiness to you and your beloved.

Yours faithfully
Yiannis.

Profeel.com has 7Dii bodies with and without lenses in stock

Just thought I would throw this out there, I actually bought my Canon 7Dii last Wednesday and had it here in Hawaii by Saturday. My buddy also got one from them and it arrived on Friday. They are legit and have both with and without kit lenses. I usually by nearly all my gear from B&H but sometimes if there is a hot camera out there, they seem to be able to get them out there before everyone else backlogged with pre-orders.

Call them up, tell them Michael sent you- they will ship it out same day of your order whenever they can.

BTW- I am not compensated in any way for this referral, I just know how sucky it can be waiting:

http://www.profeel.com/index.php/canon-eos-7d-mark-ii-dslr-camera-body-usa-warrabty-9128b002-new.html

M

B+W filter advice

neuroanatomist said:
@ Eldar – you might want to test your UWA lenses, if you find the slip-on caps annoying (I do, my only Slim filters are CPL, bought before they released the XS-Pro CPLs, which are thinner than the Slim).

I tested the 16-35/2.8L II, which can take even a standard F-Pro filter with no additional vignetting.

Thanks John, Interesting. As you say, the (always-fall-off) slip-on caps are quite annoying.
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Real-World Resolving-Power?... FF, APS-C/H, Extenders?..

Valvebounce said:
Hi ecka.
OK My bad, it would appear I did miss most of the point if you only consider pixels, but don't the superior 1DX processing and circuitry raise its capabilities in total above that of the 5DIII, 6D? Coming back to a camera being a system not just the sensor, note comparing to Canon, not Nikon or Sony.

Cheers, Graham.

ecka said:
Valvebounce said:
Hi ecka.
Not sure what this is suppose to mean, if I understand at all it means that the 1DX is third to a 6D and 5D III. REALLY????? Is that in some parallel universe or here on earth? Or did I just miss the point?

Cheers, Graham.

ecka said:
5D3>6D>1DX>1D4>7D2>7D

Are we both talking about the "Real-World Resolving-Power"?
Yes, 1DX has less pixels than 6D and 5D3, despite that it is a better overall tool. The "Real-World" part makes it difficult to compare different formats and technologies.

NancyP said:
Actually, 12" x 20" > 11" x 14" > 8" x 10" > 5" x 7" > 4" x 5" > new MF 50 MP CMOS sensors >> all FF and APS-C cameras. ::)

Sure ;)
...MF>D810>A7R>DP2M>A7>5D3>6D>1DX>1D4>7D2>7D>M4/3...

I'm talking about the amount of information these cameras are able to capture. In reality, 20mp bayer sensor produces 20mp images, but it cannot capture all 20mp of actual data, which would represent reality (lens projection) 100% accurately. Huge part of the resolution is just made up (false color, noise, moire, AA filter, DR deficiency, color calibration). IMHO, the efficiency could be 20% to 50%, depending on camera capabilities and lighting.
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One Samsung Camera to Rule Them All

I used to own the Sony A55 & A77. I have to say that I really do love the EVF. It's a feature I still really miss. I love having the 'idiot proof' exposure view. So if I forget to change my ISO when I step out of the church then I can see instantly I'm WAY off. And vice versa.

I also loved being able to see the shot I took inside the viewfinder which helped immensely on sunny days and also people stay stood still when you have your camera to your eye. Once you move it away, people start moving around. So for group shots an EVF is a great help.

That said if I was a sports shooter I wouldn't be so happy with it. The lag was noticeable.

But the NX-1 does look like a very compelling camera. Samsung could be on to something here.
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Lenses for Madagascar

I did 2 weeks in Madagascar with a t1i, 20mm/2.8, and 100mm/2.8 macro. The 100mm L did not exist yet and I was too broke and hell-bent on moving to full-frame, or I would have gone for the 17-55 instead of the 20mm prime. I also threw the 18-55mm in my bag as a last-minute back-up, but almost never used it. With that in mind, here are my thoughts:

You should bring a standard zoom. You will want to take pics of everything you see, at least at first, because the cities, countryside, and people are all very striking, dramatic, and photogenic. For me, I made do with the 20mm (32mm equivalent), but the zoom would have been better.

You should bring a second body. The lens changes did make me nervous, and we traveled during the dry season. It is quite dusty, everything came back with dust on it. I felt like Pigpen on the flight home. If you travel during the rainy season, I think you'll face moisture and dust.

I wouldn't worry tremendously about the zoom length. If you put the 70-300 on a crop body, I think you'd be thrilled. You could swap out for the 100mm if it is truly dark and get 160mm 2.8 with IS, and that would probably do quite well. We did not do jungle- or wildlife-type excursions, we mostly went to little zoos or parks where the animals were mostly tame. The 100mm served well for that, although the flexibility of a zoom would have been better. I did not really need the close focusing of a macro, I was not a big flower guy, and I had no intentions of hunting for bugs. I chose it for the quality and the 2.8.

If I were to go back today, I would have my 24-70 on the 6D almost full-time, swapped out only for the ultrawide, and then have the 70-300 or the 100mm on my cropped backup. I would not worry about low-light much, unless you have some night excursions already planned. When we went, dinners were long (to allow the kitchen time to procure the food you had ordered), and then straight back to the room for showers and bed. Because you will be TIRED. This country is extremely tiring, everything is hard work, even a car ride. Also, the mosquitoes (malaria) and just overall safety/security are concerns at night, so you probably won't be doing a lot of nighttime shooting.

Overall, though, pack as light as possible. I carried all my gear with me in a very nondescript black belt bag (not a photo bag) so as to avoid attention. When I wasn't wearing it, my gear bag was locked in a suitcase. If you wear a backpack, it will end up in the back of your van and frequently getting carried by "helpful" folks looking for a tip. I'd go for a shoulder or waist pack that you can keep with you in a cramped moving vehicle.

Note -- we were never in any real danger, but we traveled half our time with two missionaries who had lived in the country for years and spoke the language. We stuck out like sore thumbs (four tall white people), and a tour group probably sticks out even worse.
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Review: PowerShot G7 X via DXOMark

bosshog7_2000 said:
Actually a D800 would be great...except that I own Canon glass so not really an option. As for the 50mp, it was a bit tongue in cheek....what I want is a D810 grade of sensor in a 5D body. Also, I'm not an idiot...well aware that the 5D3 is an upgrade to the 5D2, at least from a AF and handling perspective. The image quality is NOT a huge upgrade which is what the OP was referring to.

I laugh at you armchair experts that think you know what others need or do not need from a camera. If you are happy with 22mp then good for you...fact is many of us are NOT. Also, it's not just the increased resolution, I also want better dynamic range.

I remember when I first bought my 5D2 all the Nikon guys were saying that 12mp from a D700 'was all anyone needs'. In fact there are still some who say that. That said, obviously Nikon felt differently and obviously so do many Canon photogs who got tired of waiting for a higher MP Canon body and jumped to Nikon.

Last I will say on this is that for 75% of what I do, the 16mp from myt XPro is plenty...but when I do landscape work I want as much resolution as I can get...and my 5D2 is long in the tooth and for landscape purposes the 5D3 is not worth buying if you already own a 5D2.

The glass, unless you are into the unique stuff like the 17TS-E and 65MP-E, is no excuse, you can get comparable Nikon glass for generally less money than the Canon equivalent, you could sell you lenses and buy the same Nikon ones and make money. I am always surprised at the comparative bargain secondhand 14-24 f2.8's are.

I was not saying you didn't 'need' 50MP, I asked what you thought you needed them for, there is a substantial, though subtle, difference. But like most people who claim things like crop camera reach advantages, often your stated 'need' doesn't actually gel with reality and realising the potential of the advancements you demand is not practical, and often not even possible.

Your point about Nikon's 12MP is true, but there must become a point at which an optimum MP level is reached. Obviously 12MP for the 135 format wasn't it for most people, however I'd suggest few ever utelise the full potential of the 24MP commonly available now, to demand 50MP (even if you then change that to tongue in cheek) demands a lot of the photographer, their technique, and the rest of the system, it is also impossible to actually see all those pixels in anything less than a 30" print @ 300dpi.
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Lucerne, where to go?

Valvebounce said:
Hi tayassu.
Thank you for the food recommendation, we are just back from eating there! We didn't have the fondue, as it smells like a pair of well worn socks! The meals we did have were excellent and the staff were fantastic. Would definitely eat there again if when we come back!

We set out this morning in thick fog hoping that Pilatus would be above it, when we got there by train it was thick like pea soup! We went up anyway, wow what a trip, beautiful sunshine all the time we were up there, fantastic views, a really nice day out. Came back down and the fog had cleared, took the boat trip back and about 15 minutes in we went back in to the fog bank! Cleared a bit about 2 minutes before we docked.
Then we walked up to the Löwendenkmal, unfortunately the fog started back in and the light dropped very quickly so I took a couple of shots but I hope to make it back in the morning if the light is better.
We still had a bloody marvellous day.

Yesterday we had a trip to the theatre to see Saturday Night Fever, at least the songs were in English as I don't speak German beyond 2 beers please! On the way there the taxi was T boned by an old fellow in a Volvo, he rushed through a gap in the traffic as he left a side road straight in to the rear quarter of the taxi! Thankfully no injuries but the taxi was unable to continue, good excuse for being late!

Thanks to all for the ideas, I think we fitted in quite a lot. I will upload some shots but I cannot at the moment as I am unable to convert the RAWs to JPEG.

Cheers, Graham.


tayassu said:
At last, where to eat... ;)
I have one recommendation for you there:
The Zunfthaus zum Pfister in the street Unter der Egg, they serve fantastic local food like fondue... ::)
But there are of course a lot of other great restaurants ;)

Have a nice trip! :D

It is nice to hear that you have a nice trip! :)
Yeah, fondue is a little challenging for untrained noses... ;)
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70-200 2.8 II or 100 2.8L and 135 2 and 200 2.8

jdramirez said:
I'm not 100% sure I agree with not selling A for B. I continuously go upward in quality... so I presume that has something to do with it.

Sold 75-300mm Bought 55-250mm
Sold Canon XS Bought Canon 60D
Sold Canon 50mm f/1.8 Bought Canon 50mm f/1.4 (though this might be the most questionable upgrade)
Sold 60D Bought 5D mkiii

And there are a ton more examples... but the onl time I regretted selling something was when I sold my 100L IS macro. I missed it so much that I bought it again... but I sold my original for my than I paid... and then I purchased the new 100L for less than I sold the original for.

The only lens I have lost money on was the 24-105mm which I bought... sold... bought another... sold that... bought another... sold that... bought another... the last three time making money on the lens... but I'm still underwater as a whole on the lens... which is annoying.

LOL..........sounds like a business JD ;D

I've never make any profits from buying & selling camera gear :-\ Since most of my lenses and bodies were purchased new, any sales would put me in negative end. I rather keep them all ;)

Off topic: I was shooting with A7s(rental) last Friday-halloween. The high ISO looking really good, even compared to my 1DX. I'm not sure it has to do with Sony sensor or lower MP. 25000ISO looks really clean. I ran both 1DX & A7s raw files though DxO Prime - the a7s has upper hand.

I still have the Sony FE 55mm. Just waiting for price to drop.
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Own 5D mk III and 7D, replace 7D by Mk II for sports? Dilemma....

docsmith said:
I am a bit like the OP. I have both the 7D and 5DIII. But since I bought the 5DIII, after a series of tests, the 7D has collected dust. I really do need to sell it. This isn't meant to disparage the 7D, it really is a remarkable camera and served me well for almost 3 years. But, I get why the 7D sits on a shelf when you own both. If you are not reach limited, I would rather have the 5DIII, and, at least from what I concluded, usually even when you are reach limited, I preferred the images from the 5DIII. Even though the 7D is a great camera, I like the images off the 5DIII better. You lose 1 fps. That really can't be too much of a factor.

docsmith said:
Anyway, I am interested in what those that own both the 7DII and 5DIII end up doing. I am considering the 7DII as a way to get that extra reach, hoping that the IQ/noise control/etc is now good enough that I no longer prefer the 5DIII images even when reach limited.
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docsmith said:
Back to the OP, I, personally, haven't seen enough to have an opinion, but I am glad you started the thread. I think a number of us upgraded from the 7D to the 5DIII. Some may consider going back to the 7DII or supplementing your kit with the 7DII. It is a good question. But I wouldn't expect the answer to be black and white.
Since I have the 5D mk III, the lowlight capabilities are so much better than the 7D: I automaticly pick the 5D if favor of the 7D. I live in the Netherlands, not exactly Carribean light circumstances here... In the sports department I shoot mainly soccer and windsurfing. Especially with windsurfing you need al the mm's you can afford: on full frame the 120-300 with 1.4 converter is often not enough, you'll end up cropping too much. Options would be
-keep it, save money, keep the backup body option
-sell the 7D and save up for extra glass (dropping the backup body option).
-invest in an upgrade from a camera (that served me well before) and get the extra reach (and will not end up being unused).

My 13yr old son did shoot with me with the 7D a few times and he did enjoy it. Taking that in consideration the saving for extra glass and keeping only one body is not the preferred option, being able to go out together is nice as well. I also kept my 24-105, despite having the 24-70II.

Still puzzeled by the AF of the 7D mk II, less than the 1Dx but better than the 5D mk III? Or just comparable to the 5D mk III? I think the 7D mk II is a nice camera for sports/wildlife but the upgrade is not as big as I expected. I really hoped they would have come up with a bit beefier update. Especially when you look at what the competition is doing now, it looks like Canon is losing it a bit. I'm not looking for video capabilities, but if even smartphones and gopro's can shoot 4K video, why can't they add it to a brandnew 1700 euro camera?!
On the other hand: if you own some glass, you do not switch brands quickly. Also, marketingwise I understand they cannot top the 1Dx or 5DIII with the 7DII, otherwise no one would buy these anymore.

Feel like I'm getting there but still miss actual info on how the 5D III and 7DII compare in real life situations....
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Photo Expo 2014

Nothing really "blew" me away this year, the Canon booth was way over crowded,I was lucky to squeeze in there to mess around with the 7D Mark II and the 5D Mark III. I'm still on the fence with the 7D Mark II because I want to get a full frame later on. I do need to upgrade the camera I have now but I'm thinking with that $1,800 + tax, I can get a brand new 7D and either the Sigma 25-105mm (when they are back in stock) or Canon's 24-105mm "L" series lens for around the price of a 7D Mark II.

The speed would be a nice addition but I have learned on my 50D with it's 6.3 FPS, how to capture fast moving objects through trial and error. The battery life on the 7D Mark II is half of that on the 7D,I don't want to add additional weight by adding a camera grip(batteries). The third party lens being non-compatible (as of now) also isn't god for me since I only use Sigma, Tamron and Tokina. If I get the "L" series this would be my second Canon lens besides the kit lens.

So, I basically left the Expo holding off on getting the new Canon 7D Mark II but I will be buying the DxO 10 photo editing software. I downloaded the trial version after I got home from the Expo on Thursday.

Here's a few snap shots I took with my phone, Scott Kelby sighting, stopped for a 45 minute lecture with (Canon Explorer of Light Series) Tyler Stableford. The Black Rapid representative gave me a clasp for my strap after I told him how mine became loose (that's not suppose to happen) last summer and my camera dropped to the ground. I took that strap off as soon as I got home.

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