Mt Spokane Photography said:

Appropriate post, but why in the lighting forum?

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My thought was because Joe McNally is such a lighting guru as of late.

Here is a noise comparison from The Digital Picture:
http://www.The-Digital-Picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-6D-Digital-SLR-Camera-Review.aspx

I looked at SLR gear site....where they tested the 24-70 II ...
http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1494/cat/11

I collected the graphs and compared with ....
the 24L, 35L 50L ...and for lack of something better ...the 70mm position of the 70-200 II.

looking at chromatics also....

seems to do fairly well....
(MAYBE the 35L is ready for a replacement ....with these chromatics and with Sigma release - IMO
But I do love my 35L)

would liked to have seen better performance at 70mm.. and especially I.S. ....
(I guess we are spoiled by the recent Canon lens releases)

but for this difficult range...it compares pretty well......to the overall quality of the 70-200 II
(well ...really..... very little compares to the 70-200 II)

thought it would be of interest to know that this test is up....

TOM

UPDATE note:

the 24mm L prime and 35mm L prime sharpness graphs are swapped ... (24mm is under the 35mm zoom column)

MichaelTheMaven said:

Hey Everyone- To answer your questions:

1. These are all SOOC. To really appreciate what you are seeing you really need to see the full size images on the blog. I own a 5Diii, the 6D's high ISO noise is cleaner. Ill be doing some side by side tests tomorrow.

Did some head-to-head high ISO portrait tests vs the D600, and the 6D wins, but I did notice something: The higher the ISO, the softer the image appears. Will be posting samples probably tomorrow on the blog: http://www.michaelthemaven.com

2. The Wifi feature is really awesome, I will go as far to say a game changer. There are a lot of creative things you can do with this, street shooting for example, wear your 6D around your neck, play with your iphone, and no one would know you are taking pictures. Self Portraits? Family pics? No problem. Tethering and most remotes are officially obsolete. One thing I dont like is there is no timer! Im sure it is coming.

The lag is about maybe a half second or so, pretty quick. The EOS Remote App that operates it seems a little bare, but you can preview exposure as well as change you Aperture, Shutter Speed, ISO, and even touch focus from your iphone. Very nice.

More to come

MM

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I hope so I'm looking for 2nd body.

kubelik said:

the other general lesson learned here, is to not post huge statements about equipment that is unowned / unused. I can't even guess at how many times inflammatory stuff has been posted, and then a few pages in we all find out the OP has never even seen the piece of equipment in person, but they "heard" or they "read" about it.

not trying to jump on you, just hoping everyone learns from this. I sincerely hope you have a better day! sometimes bad mornings are good for lowering expectations

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You are absolutely right here, I should have asked a question instead of making a statement. Never comment about something you do not know. I know the rule, but obviously forgot it this morning. At least I hope some will see my efforts to apologize and recognize my ability to admit my mistakes.

Thanks Neuro for the further explanation.

2 days ago while I was taking test photos with my 5D3 to check AFMA I noticed that the battery was well below 50%. I remembered this thread and switched to continuous high. The sound was like 5 to 6 frames per second. This has been confirmed when I used the info button to check which pictures had been taken the same second. I counted 5 but this is an approximation (there is no tenth's of a second granularity). I repeated the test when the battery indicator was a little more than 10% and the sound seemed the same. So I believe that my camera behaves OK.

Marsu42 said:

You gave good reasons for the 17-55, other reasons favor other lenses (zoom range, size, weight, last not least price), so it's often a matter of preference esp. if the af and iq are decent on all possible choices.

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Excellent point. In this case the OP is specifically asking for f/2.8, so 17-55 is the most obvious recommendation, but I have used and do recommend the 15-85 as well (http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=11355.msg202863#msg202863) in other situations. Like you said, the price and build quality are points in favor, while the IQ is comparable at smaller apertures.

I agree fast prime or FF is the way to go for low light, and I intend to go that route (in that order) over the next few months.

yes. background reading here

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=11224.0

Thank you. I'll leave it alone.

5D2 comprised 30-35%. Who's complaining about AF? 6D's AF is more than enough to get you there.

24-105 doesnt need slim filters

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verysimplejason said:

I can see more than half of those pictures taken by 5D mark II.

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Not half, more like a quarter. A link to a metadata analysis of those image was posted in this thread.

I wonder... All those people posting that Canon is behind, that they have to catch up, whatever...what do they think about Canon being behind when a collection of Reuters' 'best images' of the year was shot with the camera distribution in that collection? I realize that there are many categories of photographer besides photojournalists, but eyeballing the pie chart, Nikon has 9-10%, Sony 1%, and Canon around 90% of the images in the collection. When seeing a piece of data like that, it helps put some of Canon's design choices (e.g. the 1D X) into perspective.

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Sorry, I'm wrong but I think it's more than a third.

OK, that does it, I'm selling all my gear and carrying around a Panasonic FZ200 from now on since there is no 25-600mm f/2.8 lens for DSLRs. Not even the Siglauncher can hold a candle to that FL/aperture combination. /sarcasm

To be fair, though, in perfect light that would be a pretty good package for birding. Although the tripod and gimbal would weigh considerably more than the camera. IQ would not even be in the ballpark of a 1Dx / 600 II rig, but the size, weight, and cost ($600 vs. $20K+) difference is night and day. Likely any crop DSLR and 400mm f/5.6 would result in image quality much greater with fewer pixels and would not be an order of magnitude more expensive.

EDIT: Actually, I'd like to see this shootout:

FZ200 @ 600mm f/2.8 ISO 100
vs.
10D/300D/Digital Rebel @ 400mm f/5.6 ISO 400 (640mm equ with 400mm f/5.6L USM)
vs.
10D/300D/Digital Rebel @ 200mm f/4 ISO 200 (cropped to 1.7MP with 70-200mm f/4L USM)
vs.
10D/300D/Digital Rebel @ 300mm f/5.6 ISO 400 (cropped to 3.8MP with 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM)
vs.
10D/300D/Digital Rebel @ 300mm f/5.6 ISO 400 (cropped to 3.8MP with 75-300mm f/4-5.6)

That's definitely not normal, 135L is pretty quiet and the only noises I just heard on mine were subtle clunks (for lack of a better term), but definitely not high pitched at all. Should be much quieter than the other lenses you mentioned.

Halfrack said:

Really relied on the 1.4x more than I wanted to - 420mm on a FF isn't quite long enough if you're looking for specific players. The 70-200 really wasn't wide enough at times, and at others, I wanted more reach. The 1d2 didn't get much use - but that's what happens when there isn't a goal celebration.

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Thanks for the followup!

A white dot typically means a given technical service bulletin has been officially applied by Canon, either in production or post production (e.g. service center).

I wonder if all factory v.1.1.1 1D X's have issues with AF @f/8? If so, it would mean Canon has a bug in their for-production-use firmware, which has now been fixed and replaced. All new 1D X's shipped after the TSB acknowledgement will have the fixed firmware along with the white dot denoting so and would have serial numbers that fall outside of the posted range.

Thanks Marsu, it makes sense, I must learn patience...

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jVillaPhoto said:

I'm absolutely in love with the 5D3/50L combo! I shot a couple live bands in very low light @ ISO 6400 and was pretty damn pleased with the results. Check them out here if you all would like! http://jvillaphoto.com/live_concert/ I have a few more but only added my favorite few

Shooting teenage bands that jump all over the stage in low light @ f/1.2 was a pain, but the results are awesome when you get a decent shot!

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Nice shots JVilla, I guess if you are going to shoot F1.2 with action subjects you better be ready to throw 80% or more away lol. Still its worth those that turn out like what you got.

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Thanks a lot Bosman! It definitely is worth throwing away 80% or more, has a very awesome look to those that are sharp!

RC said:

Mt Spokane Photography said:

...I have not saved the covers from all those dozens of batteries I've owned...

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Curious, why do you not keep the battery covers? Don't you use them to indicate charged or discharged and of course for protection?

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You have battery covers for 12 year old batteries that are long gone?

I wanted to know if the 5d III would fall under the CLP program, as of 12/4. The lady I spoke to, Robin, said they were not. But she said there were a few 5d II available for low $1500 and I can use any malfunctioning camera, film or digital for the trade.

Just wanted to share if you were wondering about CLP for 5d III.

symmar22 said:

To be a bit brutal, if you need to ask if you should buy a 1Dx, then you probably don't need it. You already have one of the best DSLRs on the market, I don't see what a 1Dx would add to your portraits. But it's your money, and of course you spend it the way you want.

Even your glass collection is quite OK, the only gap I see is in the wide angle department (the fisheye is a bit of a specific lens). I would add a 24mm 1.4 II or 24-70mm f2.8, the 135mm f2, and the 85mm f1.8 (unless you absolutely want a red ring on all your lenses).

You'll be better equipped than a lot of pros for portrait.

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+10 x 100 x 10000 x 100000000 x 10000000000000000 x 100000000000000000000000000000000 x 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 or thereabouts...

My belief is that the less you have, the more you innovate.

Unless that is not your goal...

BTW, that number is > a googol

ok!
Infact It was attached on a film camera and I don't know nothing about it!

Thanks for the suggestions

bvukich said:

The 85/1.2 is focus by wire, that should immediately exclude it from video usage where you may need to do reliable focus pulls.

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That's weird, I really love the way the 85L feels with a follow focus. It has more throw than normal Canon lenses so you can actually turn it more than a fraction of an inch without knocking everything out of focus. Never ever had any trouble with it.

Actually, I'm here for the Canon rumors, but if you like fine cameras ... this may digress more than the orginal post.

Most of my shooting is done with my Canons, 5D3, 5D2, s100, and I recently added an EOS M. FWIW, it's not perfect, one hopes they'll do a firmware update, but as part of my weight slimming for travel it's going to fit nicely with the really nice sensor.

But I've been a Leica fanatic for years, since the early 60s when I bought and sold in relatively short order an M3, too costly to take the brutal beating my gear got. Replaced with Nikon RF. I've collected cameras for years and try to use them or at least exercise them, assuming I've gotten them back into working order. There is a feel to the old Leica screw mounts that makes you forget the tiny dual finder windows that is just so nice, solid and jewel like, something I wish I was capable of building a ripoff into a decent walkabout. I have a rare LN IIIg, about twenty other earlier, (several iiic Red Dials will be sold eventually), an M6TTL and for a little over a year, an M-9-P in black.

The m-9 was a gift to myself and from my wife during travel for a successful investment. Bought it with a 35mm f/2 sum micron and added a CV Nokton 50mm f/1.1 after we came home. The same day I bought the Fuji x100. Love them both, different cameras. I already owned a 40mm Nokton f/1.4, nice lens.

I don't take the Leica everywhere, but while it's not as versitile as the DSLRs, in many ways it's my favorite camera, in part because I like the tactile sense of reverting to form, manual focusing, etc. which forces the old discipline on me. Like many old manual focus people, rather than complaining about autofocus systems, I've just remembered that there are times you're better off to do it manually.

Your comments about image quality are dead on. I've only used a couple of the vintage lenses on it and have a couple on the way that should suit it better than some LTM. But the lens I've really enjoyed with it is the non-Leica Nokton which just this wonderful feel to images, wide open or stopped, and as good as it is with color, it's so damn good with B&W. It's not the highlights bokeh, which is great, as it is the slightly out of focus areas off the primary plane. Bought the expensive camera, choked on a lot of new Leitz glass and, frinstance I prefer the older 90mm f/2 Leica lens.

The 5D3 has a lot less in the way than did the original 5D or 5D2. But the Leica 18mp M9 image is so close to the feel of a finely processed b&W image or color. Despite a stomach turning price that has made it known in Europe as the Dentist's camera (only they can afford them) or for people with more money than brains, it's still a beautiful instruments. My wife was stunned at the quality of images from the old Leica CM f/2.4 prime, I carried as a walkabout in film's fading days.

Having grown up on Tri X as a general film 50 years ago, the Leica's not pushing the ISO limits doesn't leave me feeling crippled. The Nokton makes up for some of it. The 5D3 sometimes pushes you to push the edges, it works well in low light. The much reputed speed of RFs was more associated with using WA lenses that left you some latitude focusing, especially in good light. Yet we love the damned things --especially for street shooting. That's a place where the x100 works well, especially its newest firmware.

When you get down to it, the big Canons and Nikons, probably dslrs generally, call attention to themselves such that it takes real stealth to capture something candid. Not so hard with Leica, but easier with the x100, the small unobtrusive lens. The smaller cameras, e.g. the s100 and their kin, sometimes fill the gap despite not being especially fast at locking in the image.

I'd think this was all nostalgia were it not for this. The Leica imaging is everything it should be. I'm looking at the new Leica and thinking I might end up buying another. What the hell, I've been buying lenses for it. The body can't be that much.. can it. The M9 is just great .. other than just asking to be mugged in some places.

Back to Canon.

haven't read al lthe posts, matybe someoen sai this al;ready- but prefocus by focussing on objects i nthe general distance as the birds are flying- just roughly gauge it- then swing lens to the birds in flight, and it will locate and lock focus much quicker and more accurate with less lens hunting-