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DPReview first impressions on EOS R

Well, Canon is milking us with this product like Apple with ist new iPhones (my grandgrandson wants one from me - for 1300€ (that´s just a PHONE)).
The eos R is like Mr. Mirage said, 80/125%. But it will sell well. My dealer said, he has an enourous amount of orderings. More than they thought it would be - especially crop camera user uprade to this new system. Not so many FF users.
The coming successor of the Eos R should be 100/100% - the shop assistants of this pro shop also think. The are having an public event today and in the next days, so some Canon salesmen had to defeat their product to a lot enthusiasts and they alwas say: It´s an addition to our products. And being asked, where an more pro orientated body will apear, they say: Get an 1DXII or 5DSr...
This specs war is just an small piece of the whole cake. But it is like the center piece, and a lot not so positive reviews will cause an negative effect.
On the other hand, this is the chance (a very small chance) that Canon will pull out an hare out of the hat - an really Pro-body. (Like they did back some years with the 5DII, 7D, 5DsR....
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Adapter for Canon DSLRs to use RF lenses?

The fact that Canon even built and produced a 28-70 f/2 zoom lens suggests that they are committed to the RF mount enough that we will see 5D and 1D type R bodies in the future. Until then, the reviews of the EOS R sound like it will do a fine job of capturing images with this lens. I have a feeling the rental houses will have a hard time keeping them in stock.
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What do you want in a 5DSR MkII?

I very much like the current version of the 5DSR. But it does have shortcomings that prevent it from being my main camera, as much as I dislike the softer output from the 5D4:

- More speed. The delay between shot and review can be several seconds, particularly after a burst Would also appreciate a bump in FPS, to around 7-8.

- Extended ISO range: although below modern FF standards, there are times I wish the camera natively reached 12,800 ISO instead of being capped at 6400.

Less important, a “nice to have”:

- Enhanced crop options: I like that on the new EOS R, you can select C-RAW mode and increase buffer capacity, as well as 1.6x cropped RAW shots at a smaller file size. I hope these can be extended to a 5DSR successor.

One last thing, to anyone on the fence about the 5DS series: if you are a details guy, and especially if you also own a 35 1.4, 85 1.4 or big white, I highly recommend this camera. Nothing else in the Canon system comes close, including the 5D4. There is no AA filter or aggressive NR algorithm (if you shoot RAW) to hold you back. Only your stability. I think I’ve only had the moire issue come up on two images (out of 1000+) and then, it was very slight and easily correctable. I will say that to get the most out of the sensor it is best to expose correctly or as close to it as possible.
Shoot at iso6400 and push a stop if want iso12,800 - it's in the range where DR and noise change linearly with iso so it makes little difference if you underexpose in RAW and push in post or expose at the higher iso.
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Preorder: You can now preorder the Canon EOS R system and other new Canon gear

I really don't understand how Canon thinks that it is great to have the option to put the ND and CP filters on EF lenses via the adapter yet this isn't possible with the R mount... I highly doubt that a future R mount camera will allow for internal CP and ND filters. Or perhaps there will be? The way I see it, the filter adapters have a limited period of usage - only until the current EF lenses have been rereleased for R...
Meanwhile in Europe:
Eos R + cheapest adaptor : 2 519,99 € = 2,922.47 US$
Eos R + 24-105 F4 : 3 529,99 € = 4,094.17 US$
50mm f1.2 : 2 519,99 € = 2,922.47 US$
28-70 f2 : 3 249 € = 3,768.26 US$
Adaptor with control ring : 229€ = 265.57 US$
Adaptor with CPL: 329€ = 381.56 US$
Adaptor with Vari ND : 449€ = 520.71 US$

We are quite far from the announced prices
I’ve already ordered EOS R body in Russia and here the price is about 2400$ with ef-adapter.
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Novoflex: new lens adapters for EOS R and Nikon Z

German precision accessories maker Novoflex announces a range of new adapters for EOS R and Nikon Z mount for a number of lens series. Some Canon users might be especially interested in the adapter version for FD lenses to EOS R mount. Novoflex states November 2018 availability for its new EOS R and Nikon Z adapters. Prices range from € 89 to € 169.

Article and full text of press release on german-language portal www.photoscala.de
https://www.photoscala.de/2018/10/04/novoflex-adaptiert-alte-objektive-an-nikon-z-und-canon-eos-r/
Novoflex: www.novoflex.de -> "Adapter Finder"


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Should I purchase a 300mm f/2.8 is I for wildlife???

Not necessarily. It depends on the lens.
With the 500mm F/4 the lens may be moving more mass inside.
Battery power, (other bodies vs the 1D line) seems to matter more for speed on the bigger lenses.

One stop is an 8 to 10 minute advantage in the morning and evening. It may not sound like much but you gain time at the most prime wildlife time.

I meant not in terms of the lens but the AF sensor in the body.
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A pair of 24-70mm f/2.8L IS lenses coming in 2019? [CR2]

If the lens based IS is being used and the camera based IS is disabled, then the cost of the camera based IS is useless and an unnecessary expense for the user who only uses telephoto lenses on a particular camera body. For IBIS and LBIS to work together requires another level of software development that also adds considerable cost to the system. Even Sony hasn't got there yet, and they rush everything to market before it's been tested properly.

No one is saying IBIS is not useful. We're only saying that sometimes it may be better than LBIS, but sometimes, though, it is not.

Some of us want both options. There are already plenty of cameras without IBIS, but very few with. I would gladly pay extra for IBIS, and when, or if, needed, just turn it off.
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Firmware update for the SIGMA 24-70mm f/2.8 DG OS HSM available

We would like to announce that a firmware update for the SIGMA 24-70mm F2.8 DG OS HSM | Art for SIGMA, Canon, and Nikon is now available.
This firmware update corrects the phenomenon that the Manual Override (MO) function will be disabled after adjusting the settings of focus mode switch on SIGMA Optimization Pro (Macintosh ver.).
Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 DG HSM OS $1299
For customers who own the SIGMA USB DOCK, please update the firmware via SIGMA Optimization Pro.
It is possible to update the firmware through either version (Macintosh / Windows) of SIGMA Optimization Pro.
Applicable product:

SIGMA 24-70mm F2.8 DG OS HSM | Art SIGMA / Canon / Nikon

The benefit of this firmware update:

Corrected the phenomenon that the Manual Override (MO) function will be disabled after adjusting the settings of focus mode switch on SIGMA Optimization Pro (Macintosh ver.).

SIGMA Optimization Pro Download page...

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A Delicious thought re. non-Canon RF-lenses

As to third party lenses and future problems, both Sigma and Tamron are using docks for most new lenses and this allows easy firmware upgrades

Which is fine as long as the company in question still produce and support your lens. But look at this Tamron EF-M lens. How old is it? 5 years? And it doesn't look like they're going to support it with firmware updates any more. So you're screwed.

However, if you bought an EF lens for your Canon EOS 650 back in 1987 it will still work on any Canon EF body today. It may not be supported for spares or repair, but as long as the lens keeps working it will still work on your current camera body.
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Canon EOS R - Which lens? 28-105mm f4 IS or 28-70 f2?

The 24-105 is an absolute step back from the 24-70 2.8. The photos from the 24-105 are nowhere near as sharp, even with IS. It's a good general purpose lens but you'll be disappointed if you compare it.

The 28-70 is probably as good if not better than the 24-70, but is a massive heavy lens. Are you sure you want that?
Agreed...as a second body, though, I definitely see the appeal...

But to get to the question at hand. I can only speak for the EF versions, but the 24-105 is not the same class of lens (performance-wise) as the 24-70 2.8. If you are used to the IQ of the 24-70, the 24-105 gives you IS and extra reach at the cost of some IQ and a stop of light, and the 28-70 will give you an extra stop and (what appears to be) slightly better IQ at the cost of $$$, 4mm at the wide end, and more weight. If none of those compromises sound appealing, recommend either a) adapting your 24-70 to the new R or b) keeping the 5D4 and holding off on the R until more RF lens options become available.

ETA: if you are shooting mostly video, the 24-105 should be plenty adequate. The addition of IS may be worth it for you. If you have space to back up, you can still get pretty decent subject/background separation at 105mm f/4 on FF.
Keep the 5DIV, the EOS R is not an upgrade. Wait for the next iteration of R if you have s good body already. OK, the 5DIV may well be worth less then but the R will probably go down more when a higher spec successor appears.
What about the 24-70 F4? Good quality and reasonable weight... If you are hauling it around all day, lighter weight becomes important....

thanks for the detailed replies! Hmmit sounds like i should at the most part keep the 24-70mm lens in either case!

I noticed sometimes my hand held shots for photos can be sometimes slightly blurry hence why i thought i might benefit from the IS on the 24-105 lens.

Also, would the NEW 24-105 f4 lens for the EOS R be better then the EF one though? I guess we cant say until its released.
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