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privatebydesign · Jul 7, 2017

dak723 said:
privatebydesign said:

Ian_of_glos said:

privatebydesign said:

Lenses don't 'give you compression'.

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But we all know what he means don't we? It is academic whether it is the lens that is creating the compression effect or the distance you are from the subject when you take the picture. The point is that the image will look more compressed if a long telephoto lens is used rather than a lens with a shorter focal length.

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No I don't think we do know what he means. How does a 100 not "give you the compression of the... ...70-200s"?

aceflibble said:

Second, Canon's 100mm f/2. It doesn't give you the compression of the 135mm or any of the 70-200s.

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That makes even less sense! Any 100mm lens, or zoom spanning 100mm will give you exact;y the same perspective. It won't 'compress' anything, but it will give you a perspective.

The problem with these oft repeated inaccuracies is they confuse people with less understanding or education. My calling for accuracy in terminology is not me being pedantic, it is an effort to prevent confusion in others.

Lenses do not create 'compression', use an 18-200mm zoom and stand in the same place and take a shot at both ends of the zoom range then crop the 18mm image to the same framing as the 200mm image and the 'compression' is the same. Because I was taught perspective rather than compression that is an obvious fact to me, people taught about lens compression often struggle to get their heads around the concept of perspective because of that falsehood.

Am I wrong to point that out?

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Yes, because the terminology you were taught is far more confusing and probably incorrect. The perspective changes between the viewer and the subject when the viewer moves left, right, up or down. Compression implies that the viewer seems closer to the subject, which is what zooming - or cropping - does.

Pretty simple to understand. You seem to be confusing the terms perspective and field of view. Narrowing the field of view does nothing to change the perspective, it changes the apparent distance between camera and subject, in other words, the compression.

No.

Perspective is the spatial relationship between you and all the things in the image. Compression is a bullsh!t term that implies a longer lens will give you a different perspective from the same place than a shorter one, which is not true.

See the red highlighted line above, acefibble is not using the term as you understand it, he is directly stating compression is a function of focal length and can not be replicated, that is not what you or I am saying, we are saying 'compression' is perspective and is the same regardless of focal length, it changes when you move, not when you change lens.

For illustrative examples look at this post, http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=19483.msg366490#msg366490

aceflibble · Jul 7, 2017

Khalai said:
For technical work, I'd perhaps consider Zeiss Milvus 50/2 Makro-Planar or Zeiss Milvus 50/1.4 Distagon. Insanely sharp lenses with amazing contrast and microcontrast. If you can live without AF of course.

I manually focus most of the time anyway. But no, those two are out of the question for me simply as the insurance costs skyrocket when adding that much value to the lens drawer. I already need to downscale as the premiums have gotten ridiculous.

veng · Jul 7, 2017

I'm rather impressed. I shutters aren't designed to continuously operate for hours on end. I'd expect "normal usage" to actually be less stressful than the test they did.

LonelyBoy · Jul 7, 2017

In other news, another forum is showing me ads for the D750 being dropped by another $200 at B&H. Wonder if Nikon is feeling the heat? :

Mt Spokane Photography · Jul 7, 2017

All Li-on batteries are potentially dangerous, and companies are more aware of it due to pressure from safety agencies. Treat them carefully, always use Canon chargers for Canon batteries, same for Nikon, don't use them if they are hot, as when pulled out of a hot car that has been sitting in the summer sun. Let them cool first. Charging hot batteries can cause a thermal runaway (meltdown). The Canon battery / charger combination have circuitry to attempt to prevent this, but cheap third party chargers have been known to damage it in the batteries.

Jack Douglas · Jul 7, 2017

Hey Scott, you've probably noticed how valuable multiple AF buttons can be with their "overriding the shutter" characteristic on the 1DX2. If I'm understanding correctly, with the 6D2 3 buttons can AF but it'll be the same AF function or IOW essentially redundant.

As far as metering goes, I've been shooting straight manual quite a bit and I do feel there are circumstances with action where I prefer the spot focus with linked exposure to the spot. This would likely be flitting birds in and out of shadow. Of course everyone has their work-arounds as I did shooting with the 6D and likely once again with the 6D2.

Jack

Jopa · Jul 7, 2017

The next thing would be to knock out $6000 from the 1dx2 ;D

ahsanford · Jul 6, 2017

Have at it, sample people:

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos6dmk2/

- A

weixing · Jul 6, 2017

Hi,
The Canon EOS SL2 is available: http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/5/0300027455/01/eos-rebelsl2-200d-im-en.pdf

Have a nice day.

Mt Spokane Photography · Jul 6, 2017

wildwalker said:
Mt Spokane Photography said:

Since I had all my cameras cleaned up and boxed, I had to shoot photos of the MK III by firing up my 17 year old Nikon CP990, all 3.3 MP.

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Does the CP990 have dual slots and 4K?

hehe.

As I recall, the CP 990 cost $1000 back when it came out, plus a flash and flash bracket ran up the price a lot, it was likely the best camera in that price range. The lens was and is excellent. Less than 2 years after I bought it, the Canon Digital Rebel came out, and I immediately bought one. It was a big upgrade, but I missed the live view of a P&S. I upgraded to a XT, 30D, and finally, jumped on the 40D with live view. I was doing product photography and live view was a huge time saver, allowing me to get a shot right the first time in most cases.

Tethered shooting means no card slot worry, and I do not do video of my products either. Many of those CP 990 shots are still in use on internet product listings. I get better colors and generally a better all around image with a FF camera, but then reduce the image and throw away most of the pixels.

My hobby is theatrical photography, that's where the FF sensors make a difference, very low light, all kinds of colored lights and often dance or fast movement make it challenging. The CP 990 would never work for that.

ashmadux · Jul 6, 2017

David_B said:
I've been reading lots of posts on this website about the 6D Mark II and decided to write first post for this poll.

This camera looks good but who is it for?

Right now I have the 80D and iPhone 7. My iPhone is perfect for all of my "on-the-go" photos, including birthdays, etc, and if I want to be a little more serious, the 80D is giving me lovely images. The 6D Mark II will need to offer much more impressive images for me to upgrade from the 80D. If I was still using the 70D or 7D Mark II or some earlier Canon camera, sure I will upgrade to 6D Mark II but with the 80D, I don't need it.

When I shoot video, I'm never using my 80D, just the iPhone, same as my friends that do video. I'm thinking that the video train has already left the station and Canon is still standing on the platform. So I don't mind no 4K in the 6D Mark II.

I think this Canon camera is just for people that already own Canon and want to stay with Canon. It doesn't have good video to make people give up another camera or brand for this one if they do video and nobody that use other brand for photos is going to move for it because they already got good images too.

This is perfect camera for people that already own earlier Canon cameras and want to upgrade or have bigger Canon cameras and want to add something else (the flip-panel for video is something that more expensive cameras don't do.)

Hope that's all ok.

It's not that hard to figure out. Part of the problem is that if your usage pattern does not necessitate a certain body, then it's no real concern of yours, making it hard to distinguished whom (ie. what kind of shooter) it is for.

As a 6d1 owner, I'd love to trade up and take pressure off my workhorse 5d3. For landscapes, this will also be aces, with flippy and touchscreen. Time lapses? Never shot one in my life, but now I can in 4k. Great. More Mp? bigger prints, more cropping for us serious croppers (crop till you drop!).

With decent AF points, can also capture action. Studio? In the bag. Probably the only thing this isn't "great" for is expeditions and the Olympics, or paparazzi.

SO basically, you obviously dont "need' a full frame camera. Some of us absolutely do. And as a basic FF cam, this covers a lot of basic needs. And for the love of all that's holy, there's a FLIPPY SCREEN. I haven't had another since my g12.

scottkinfw · Jul 6, 2017

Dylan777 said:
Hi Scott,
Very happy with this: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1194916-REG/dell_up3216q_32_widescreen_led.html

Best,
Dylan

Hey Dylan.

Thank you so much.

Hope you and family doing well.

sek

Jopa · Jul 6, 2017

pinoyplaya4life said:
Jopa said:

I need to try to do the same with my 1dx2. I'll probably re-badge it as 5dm4 and send to CPS

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Trade you your 1DX2 for my 5D4-CLOG?

Ideally I would prefer a combination... The 5dm4 has some great features missing in the 1dx2: DPRAW & C-Log.
Now if you look at the new 6dm2, it got a few nice extras as well: tilt screen, continuous AF for stills in LV (not just video), 5-axis video stabilization. Now imagine all this stuff in one camera! I understand it will be hard to bring a tilt screen via a hardware update

but the rest could be definitely added programmatically.

Maiaibing · Jul 6, 2017

LonelyBoy said:
Jack Douglas said:

Maiaibing said:

Jopa said:

Why in the world someone would use a 3rd party software to read RAW files if they really want to get best quality? I asked them this question and got an answer "because we want consistent comparison" for all camera brands. Which is total BS since they look from Adobe's perspective infested with random bugs.

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LOL! I asked them exactly the same question.

I also made the - what I consider a very strong - argument that they should use each producers own software - that is much more "consistent" than what they are doing now. This is the software you buy together with your camera. ACR is a personal choice and an add-on the camera producer has nothing to do with.

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Falls under the category of, there is none so blind as he who will not see. There are lots of people like that. Then there are those who always knock any company that is most successful.

Jack

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Part of the appeal, I assume, is that they can also use the exact same settings for each body (even if the same settings aren't ideal...). There is a risk that they'll be more proficient with one manufacturer's software and the equivalent image on the other side will be processed more poorly through that company's software. Of course, with something like ACR or LR, they can arrive at settings that are ideal for one body and less so for the other, and shrug it off as "same settings, apples-to-apples".

You - correctly - identified the counter argument to why that would not be a good idea. Dpreview uses the term "processed to taste" to underline that their processing is subjective.

LonelyBoy · Jul 5, 2017

privatebydesign said:
mnclayshooter said:

applecider said:

The big future question is whether amazon and others will start raising prices once they have extinguished all the locals.

Could turn nasty if that applies to food.

I do try to support pro photo supply our local store.

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I hear this discussion a lot - but the truth of the matter is; there is always going to be someone who can undercut someone else. This will keep prices low.

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That might have been true a generation or two ago when no company or bank was big enough to control the supply of an entire commodity. That has been proven false for many household items nowadays and there is nobody with enough power or inclination to limit those that do other than, maybe, the European courts. Did you know the can your soda comes in costs 50% more than it needs to because JP Morgan has 100% control of the aluminum supply in the USA? How about in a country or two where a single company is given exclusive rights to water supply and that includes all rainfall on your own property?

Country or two... or the state of Colorado, which has a similar law.

To your first point, remember when no one was ever going to be able to compete with IBM? Then Microsoft? Then Google? Now Apple? Or when Walmart was going to be the end of every store and take over all of retail? It's always "different this time", but it never has been.

Same with automation. The Luddites (the actual Luddites) weren't wrong - the new looms were destroying jobs. Diesel farm equipment destroyed jobs. Refrigeration destroyed jobs. Somehow, through it all, people have found ways to stay employed for the most part (though it is very painful for specific people and groups).

Just remember, it's almost never "different this time".

TommyLee · Jul 5, 2017

samples for sigmas 24-70 are up... ..meaning a review is soon coming..

...
I Like what I see there... will look closer
http://www.lenstip.com/2237-news-Sigma_A_24-70_mm_f_2.8_DG_OS_HSM_-_sample_images.html

coma, distortion, chromatics, sharpness... and such.. will be interesting... to me

LonelyBoy · Jul 4, 2017

On the converse, my 5D3 is a touch loose, so all lenses can rotate just a touch on it. Drives my OCD up the wall, but works fine. And I don't change lenses as much as most of y'all must.

LonelyBoy · Jul 4, 2017

jolyonralph said:
awair said:

Your comparison is ”invalid”... on a couple of points:
If you don't consume gas, electricity, water etc, you don't pay.

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Well I've never had a zero bill. There's always some kind of 'service maintenance charge' for a minimum monthly payment.

This whole argument is ludicrous though. Adobe are a commercial company. Of course they want you to pay more!

You either pay the Adobe tax or you go use something else. Complaining about it does nothing.

We can always complain and go use something else. I like LR as long as it's purchasable, but the moment it goes subscription-only is the time I'll be investigating other options.

What are these forums about if not for arguing about things that are, in the greater sense, completely meaningless?

Maiaibing · Jul 4, 2017

AvTvM said:
Zeiss states with respect to their (manual focus only) ZE 85/1.4:

"Fast lenses of this optical design (without floating elements) shift the focus due to spherical aberration when the f-stop is changed. This phenomenon is especially visible on closer object distances and cannot be influenced. The AF system of most camera models does not respect those characteristics of a lens. The focus is measured and confirmed by the focus indicator as if the lens has been stopped down to f/5.6.

85L has a floating element to counter the focus shift. So does the 35L. Its only the 50L that does not (still no focus shift, when you shoot a lens wide open).

Mt Spokane Photography · Jul 3, 2017

Tamron has always seemed to me to be the third party champ in autofocus accuracy. THK is also good. Sigma has booted it over and over, I've lost count of their recalls and fixes for AF issues. All third party lens makers have at least occasional issues, thinking about the difficulties they face, its amazing how well they work.

kphoto99 · Jul 3, 2017

YuengLinger said:
Care to share the brand of filter?

What happens when you hold the filter up in front of your eyes and look at things close, middle distance, and farther away? Do you see any strange optical effects?

I wonder how often this happens and we blame AF?

I think B+W has had price drops, especially on the smaller filters, such as 67mm and below.

The filter is branded Monoprice, if you are familiar with them, they are very good for cables and other stuff. This filter was on clearance for about $5.

Now I have tried the looking though it with my eyes and for far away objects the image shifts when I move the filter. I think there is a curvature to the surface.

I'm going to look at the B+H filters now.

tron · Jul 3, 2017

Dylan777 said:
Wow...this is sad news.

All my cards are Lexar. :'(

I am sure your cards will continue to work great (but I understand that you wrote this mainly because you were a satisfied Lexar customer and wished to continue being one...)

Don Haines · Jul 2, 2017

I think it is a good idea..... It would sell as well as an iPhone 3 with 4G of memory....

Jacen · Jul 2, 2017

I sold my 400D to a friend with kit lens and 70-300 for about $200. She was happy, I was happy (for the moment).
The thing is I have missed it since. It was my first DSLR, and it served me well in both street and landscape, at beaches and on mountains. So when a friend told me he had two 350D lying around I jumped at the opportunity to take one out for a spin, for old time's sake. Adapted a couple of old M42 lenses that wouldn't work on my 5D onto it and just went out shooting. Got one or two decent shots, but it was just a nice feeling, nostalgia and the challenge of manual lenses on a system not made for them.
I'd say keep it. But I'm a sucker for nostalgia.

And it's nice to bring out at times, just to prove that you can still get great images with only 10.1mp..

fentiger · Jul 2, 2017

In the meantime use canon DPP, until lightroom comes up to speed

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