if you don't have the 5D2 yet then getting the 24-105 in the kit with it is the best way to go, its a great all round lens

briansquibb said:

simonxu11 said:

ozzymax said:

Sorry, it's not mine~!! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
They belong to an online camera store in China~~

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Do you have the name of the store? I will be there in a few months and would like to compare the price to what will be available here.

thanks for any help

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http://www.rayi.cn/
The price is not good, convert to US dollar it's $3800

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UK store is Jacobs.

Prices in the UK are nearly 50% more than in the US
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Thanks, that's $3500 AU but it's a Beijing shop so I will do better in other cities, Shenzhen or Chengdu especially when you stand in front of them with a fist full of RMB. Still a better price than here. People worry about the warrantee but what is the likely hood of needing a repair under warrantee? As far back as I can remember I have never had an issue with a canon product.

You don't specify that you want a film rangefinder. If not, consider the Fuji X100. Not a true rangefinder, but an amazing camera that I definately enjoy.

EDIT: Just checked your profile and see that you prefer film - so feel free to ignore my opinion. On the other hand, using the X100 is a joy, so if you might consider digital, consider the X100.

unfocused said:

everyone pouring over image files to examine them at sub-atomic levels to see if the molecular structure of the D800 is cleaner.

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That's the rational opinion that made Canon make their 5d3 with 22mp. Basically, you're saying that the gear has to be in line with the photographer's needs, and too many mp for lower fps or higher noise or dr (though the d800 seems to be unaffected) don't result in good pictures - cropping power is not everything.

However, I really don't see why the resulting mp count and dr/noise tradeoff would be 22 instead of e.g. 28. Canon (marketing) could have lowered the mp to 16, too, and made iso 6400 look like iso 100. But they didn't.

I guess what people are saying/writing based on rational thinking is one thing, what they actually wish for or would buy is another thing alltogether. This is what Canon marketing overlooked when they granted the wish for a "fixed" 5d2 and came up with the current 5d3 specs.

The other way around, I am pretty sure many Nikon gear owners who argued "12 or 16mp are enough" for the last years now are absolutely crazy about "their" brand 36mp body, and so would be Canon users that now praise the 5d3 if Canon would be able to release at least a 28mp 5dx.

Maxis Gamez said:

Remember in the Press Release Canon did say that the 1D X replaced the 1D MKIV and 1Ds III bodies.

www.gvisions.org - Bird Photography

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Yeah, I remember the mentioning about it being the replacement for both lines. It'd be logical to assume that once the 1DX hits the shelf, the older models would no longer be produced.

Of course, I'm not convinced that the 1DX flagship could satisfy all photographer's need... (my guess would be an evolution along the Nikon 2D, D2h, D2x lines...)

I would presume actual reviews should be out very soon because in Singapore, the camera is already launched and we have all gotten our sets and many shops have already sold out their stocks.
I'm pretty sure the other countries will get theirs soon and proper reviews will be out soon.
I would like to give a review but i'm not a professional so i bet my review would be worthless anyways.

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kpk1 said:

I'm very upset about seeing that metering is done in the center and not linked to the AF point.

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This should vary depending on metering mode. In evaluative metering, there should be a link between AF and exposure. In other modes, no. If this isn't true for the 5D3 then that is a departure—but I find it hard to believe that this is the case. Can you provide a quote from the manual?

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Evaluative metering is weighted toward the selected AF point(s), whether manually or automatically selected. Partial and spot are at the center on the 5DIII. But...the 1D X (like previous 1-series bodies), spot metering can be linked to a manually selected AF point - that's what kpk1 is referring to, and to be honest it's a great feature.

I think Canon needs a lens in the class of the 14-28 f/2.8 Nikkor before they update the 400. Ultrawide zooms are their sole remaining lens weakness vs. Nikon. They've been updating their wides with world class upgrades (17mm and 24mm TS-E, 24mm f/1.4L II), so we know they can make a killer wide angle. Now they just need to upgrade the 17-40L and 16-35L to something that's sharp from corner to corner.

And yeah, an IS version of the 400 f/5.6L is going to be close to $2,000, I think.

This article shows a Flash drive that actually costs around $50 on ebay.

The "16.99" version is much cheaper looking, and probably not officially licensed by Canon.

The 5DMKII one definitely looks awesome though.

Has a pocket manual, full manual, and some PDF utility manuals for download. Were not here last night except for manuals.

Available:
EOS Utility for Window 2.11
Picture Style editor 1.1 for Win
Pic style 2.11 for Mac
EOS Util for Mac
Digital Photo Professional for Mac and Win

Wow such helpful input. Thanks this really kind of seals it for me. I think I might at least for the time being keep the 24 105. I know it's value won't drop much and I can try and sell the 28 135 again. I am planning to get some fixed primes like the 35 1.4 and the Sigma 85 1.4 along with the Canon 100 IS 2.8. But that's obviously down the road a little bit. In a wedding having a zoom can be really valuable to getting a shot but you're totally right that for a lot of places 2.8 really isn't wide enough either. I shoot with flash so I can make it work with that and I guess when I get to a wedding that doesn't allow flash I'll have to go with primes anyways since 2.8 won't be enough. Thanks for the input everyone. Now I just have to convince the wife to let me keep the expensive lens we were supposed to sell lol.

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brianleighty said:

Thanks awin. I think I phrased this question incorrectly. I guess the question really is, is the 24 105 a good lens for a wedding photographer or should I save up the money for the 24 70 (partially be selling the 24 105)?

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I am a wedding photographer, and I have a two-part kit for events.

Core zooms:
17-40 f/4L USM
24-105 f/4L IS USM
70-200 f/2.8L IS USM II

This is an excellent general purpose combo.

I frequently find myself at receptions where the room is really dark. Even worse, it's become trendy to paint the ceiling black, so bounce flash is just about useless. One stop in my core zoom lens isn't going to help me a whole lot here, really. So for those situations, I have my fast fixed lens kit:

24mm f/1.4L II
50mm f/1.4
85mm f/1.8

I find this setup to be much more flexible and usable in even the darkest venues. While an f/2.8 zoom is a very nice lens to have, in the dark places I shoot, it's just not fast enough. In places where it is, f/4 is usually just as good, especially when it has IS.

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Seems in UK -
Kits delivered by today 16th to dealers
Bodies arriving at dealers by Monday 26th

And also - Canon increases their sales of 24-105mm lenses for some reason

@Mt Spokane Photography: Sorry I´ve not enter a correct question the changes in ISO I know;

@callaesthetics: Yes thats exactly what I meant, ok so it doesn´t has effect if you change between Raw Size

Thank you for you Answer

Colin

bloodstupid said:

Maui5150 said:

Perhaps you should stick to Point and Shoots for the time being.

Tv or M. 'Nuff Said.

I detect Blue Crane Introduction DVDs in your future.

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As i pointed out Tv and M dont solve anything with this. Read and understand.

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Sure they do.

If you are shooting in bright sunlight and need to go low and fast, then M is perfect and add either a ND or speedlight as needed.

I would be far more concerned with the camera mismetering when trying to shoot an action shot at speeds of 500 or more, especially if you are dealing with objects such as cars, or anything else that can reflect light.

AJ said:

That won't work if you have a smiter who logs in every day and smites you systematically.

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True and I pray for their speedy recovery

iso79 said:

or maybe they're just selling really well 8)

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well I didn't look up every canon lens but so far nada - which seems a bit odd. Though strange stuff does happen at times at amazon.

phemark said:

Mt Spokane Photography said:

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Take that nikon 14-24mm zoom. That optical formula is patented, so anyone caught copying it would be quickly shut down by Nikon's attorneys...

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What if someone would create 14-25mm, is it infringing? What about 14-24.5mm? 14-24.1mm? Where is the limit? (well i guess even smallest shift in the mm would probably require different optical formula...)


Also, a bit different question: is there a rule of some sorts that is required for lens manufacturing that requires certain lenght? (for instance there are a few lenses that start at 15,17,18,24mm, but not at 16 or 21mm, why is that?

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Patents usually give several examples of focal lengths and cover the optical formula, which is independent of the focal length. They are carefully worded to indicate that they cover not only camera lenses, but projection lenses, etc as well. However, many of the formulas only work well for a limited range of focal lengths.

Many of the older Canon EF prime lenses are said to share the same optical formula, even with the FD lenses.

neuroanatomist said:

BaconBets said:

The main difference between the 1Dx and the 5d3 is crazy fps and metering, and weather sealing.

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Plus two stops of ISO (although time will tell if that's really just two stops of noise), interchangeable focusing screens, more customization, more than double the shutter life, faster X-sync speed, bigger viewfinder, AF point-linked spot metering, and a much deeper buffer for continuous shooting.

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Neuro, I wouldn't call any of that critical for "walk-around and traveling"
There will not be 2 stops advantage in RAW...not even close.
And for his purposes, by the time he burns up that shutter, the 5DV will be out anyways.
Would you really advise him that this is this best choice when he has specifically said that he will not have any money left to spend on photography gear? (And he is concerned about the size/weight)

You gotta love the description:

Description:
1). This LCD Hood protector is specially designed for DSLR camera.
2). Its perfect state-of-art design allows it integrated with the LCD system and makes the camera more professional.

Now I have to get one of these. Or better two.

It seems like they are identical in regards to video. Am I right?

LuCoOc said:

The rumored zeiss super wide angle lens is finally there:

http://blogs.zeiss.com/photo/en/?p=1567#more-1567

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Thanks for the link!

Wow! Those pics on 500px.com are amazing. I, too, am on the fence between the 5D MkII and the MkIII. I always forget the amazing pictures that have been captured with the 5D MkII. I guess the newest thing isn't always the best. One thing is true - the camera is just a tool. The best photography comes from within the photographer.

Can anyone put an argument in for the 5D MkIII, besides the better AF and frames per second? The HDR thing seems like a gimmick. The expanded ISO is nice, as is the built-in electronic level. But worth an extra $1500?

Haha!

The importance depends on what you are doing.

For wildlife and landscapes, you get notes on location just by using it. You could then even use your camera to take notes. You find a well used trail out of season, take a picture and you know where to look later in the year. You find a great vista at a bad time of day/season. Take a snap shot and again you have info for later. You could probably do the same thing with your phone and separate "work" from "notes", but that's another thing to drag out/around.

Image a wedding photographer or street photographer. Someone buying the work, will know where it came from. You might think, wedding? wouldn't they know where the shots came from? Not if they were taken around to do location shooting. Maybe the grand kids would like to know where grandma/dad got married.

There are a lot of practical and gimmicky used for GPS.


Yes, I'm happy to see the receiver will work with multiple pieces of gear. Too long Canon has made equipment that was overly specific and required repurchase with every body. I wish their new USB based wireless was as robust, but maybe updates will allow it to be more like the GPS receiver.

simonxu11 said:

I've heard rumor indicate Sony and Nikon had an agreement, Sony let Nikon use that 36MP cmos first, then Sony will put this cmos into their own FF body after one year, but the condition is Nikon have to use Sony's new XQD card at least in one of their bodies.

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Not sure about XQD, but Nikon would almost certainly have some exclusivity on the chip to prevent themselves from being undercut. There may also be Nikon owned technology in the Sony produced chip that would Sony from ever using it without a license.

Same thing with ipad/iphone screens. Whether you like Apple or not, the screens are beautiful, but nobody else can get them without a license, which Apple is not doing.