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5dmark III - full production camera samples

I have to admit that your result with ACR is pretty good. However you develop sharpness digitaly by moving sliders, it doesn't come from optics and sensor. It looks good but imho in terms of sharpness and detail ND800 is far better (low isos of course) and resolution is not only a key for achieving this. Of course images developed by you are cr2 and are faaaar better than official canon samples, which as we all know look like from mobile phone. That is huge difference.
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5d Mark 3 Mirror blackout time

Interesting. I picked up a few new things that I do not recall seeing in the other interviews.

In particular, the planned ability of DPP to do such a extensive correction for Canon lenses. I may switch to having DPP process images ahead of lightroom.

"A new feature called Digital Lens Optimizer processes RAW images to achieve ideal optical characteristics for all types of optical aberration or diffraction, effects of a low-pass filter in front of a CMOS sensor, etc. This function improves image quality particularly in the image periphery in addition to the image center. This function is made possible because the entire design-through-manufacture process, for camera, CMOS sensor, EF lens, and DPP, is carried out entirely at Canon. Images are processed optimally using lens information in the image files (focal length, subject distance, and aperture) and lens data specially for the Digital Lens Optimizer. (However, the size of a .CR2 file will be two to three times larger after applying the Digital Lens Optimizer.) Adjustments are made for such aspects as spherical aberration, chromatic aberration, astigmatism, curvature of field, sagittal halo, chromatic aberration of magnification, axial chromatic aberration, diffraction, and the effects of a low-pass filter in front of the CMOS sensor. DPP’s Digital Lens Optimizer will be usable with any of 29 compatible lenses initially. It works with .CR2 files from EOS models released since 2006 (EOS 30D and forward)."
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5D mkIII untouched files for testing purposes (RAW)

WarStreet said:
DavidRiesenberg said:
WarStreet said:
I am disgusted with the results.

Isn't this a bit extreme?

Yes might be, I am not english native. So, what should I say which is less severe than disgusting ? Not happy is just too soft, for 3.5 years.

Perhaps the word "disappointed"? Though the same issues with softness came out prior to the 5D Mark II launch if that's any consolation.
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Biased auto ISO

neuroanatomist said:
JerryKnight said:
What I would like to see is auto ISO in Manual mode. ie. Set aperture and exposure, and have the camera choose the proper ISO to make the exposure correct. Might be a little dangerous if you forget to update your settings, but that's already something Manual shooters have to stay on top of. Maybe it could have a "High Auto ISO" warning indicator somewhere. EDIT: Maybe this has been done already. I haven't investigated it thoroughly yet.

Not the high ISO warning part, but newer cameras have a functional auto ISO in M mode (not the 5DII, but the 7D, 1D IV, 60D, and some of the newer Rebel/xxxD bodies, and the later ones of those (60D and on) let you specify an upper limit for the Auto ISO that's more restrictive than what is normally the max (ISO 3200 on those cameras). I'd love to be able to have Auto ISO stop at 1250 or so on my 7D...

Mt Spokane Photography said:
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That is a great feature, and one that i have wanted for a long time. You can sort of get the same thing with a Canon camera, its just not as simple.

The Canon 5D MK III finally brings auto ISO to the manual mode, Set shutter speed and aperture, and it will raise or lower ISO for you to get the right exposure.

The 5D will also let you set a upper limit to ISO, which keeps it from jumping up higher than you want.

With the 5D MK III you also have three saved settings, so you can have a preset for landscape, low light, and fast moving subjects, or whatever you would like.

The Rebels have settings for the type of shot(landscale, low light, fast subject, etc, and bias shutter speeds and or apertures and thus ISO accordingly. It may not be obvious to some exactly what is going on.

Personally, I like Nikon's idea. However, I do not expect different companies to make identical cameras with identical features, we have a choice to get what we value most, but we don't get everything in one body.

This is good news. I've been shooting with the 5D2 so long, I've gotten behind on the complete features of the other bodies.

I like the custom registered settings (C1-C3) but I wish it were easier to register the settings on the go. In my shooting, I often line up a shot beforehand, and I'd like to be able to quickly register it and continue shooting other things and switch to the C1-C3 setting when needed. The current menu navigation is too cumbersome for me.

I agree that we shouldn't expect all features to act the same across brands or even the major model lines (Rebel, 60D, 5D, 1D) but I really, really, really like seeing as many options as possible. Even if some options are obscured in custom functions and I never use anything but the default setting, I like seeing the ability to change it. More options the better. That's how I got into back-button-focus before getting a camera with a dedicated AF-On button.
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Canon Live Learning Worthwhile?

Breacher1 said:
Well, I thought it was fairly decent for a $99. It was great to be able to play with the 5DMIII and to have access to that many different lenses. The stores in Madison (very few!) don't stock near that many and are a huge PIA to deal with.

I could've sworn they said something about parking validation before we left , the web site also mentioned it.
I left the car in Indiana and took the train.

I saw the parking across the street was closed with cones in the entrance so I went down about two blocks.......OUCH.

Wound up being $40 for 8.5 hours.

Oh well. Had a great dinner at the Weber Grill and spent the night in Schaumburg.

It was pretty awesome to try out the equipment - even if I'm not buying the X its cool to try!
I was very impressed with the view finder.

They sold me on the new speed lights it going to be one heck of a upgrade.
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Need advice - 7D vs 5D2 vs 5d3

I would also say to give the 5dmk3 a good hard look. I'm one to recommend lenses over the latest greatest camera body, but when you already have a very fast 50mm and a great full frame general zoom, i say go full frame. I never owned a 20d, but i have owned a 30d, 40d and a 1dmk2. Any of the 5d series will be a big step up in IQ from what you currently have, with the mk2 and mk3 being better and better yet, but only the 5dmk3 will offer you an AF system that should be much better than what you already have. I usually recommend lenses over cameras, but at some point a newer body will be a big upgrade that will benefit you with all your existing lenses. just understand that a body is not going to be worth much in 5-6 yrs. that's the nature of the beast. But by then you might consider that 5dmk3 a old piece of junk anyway, and wonder how you ever did without that new 5dmkV.
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My hands on the 5d mrk iii experiance

One things for sure his few minutes with the 5d3 is more minutes than just about most everyone on this forum, yours truely included. I wish I could have been there taking pictures and from what i've heard, it's neat they actually allowed him to use his own memory card in camera... A lot of people haven't been able to and had to judge the quality on the LCD screen. Thank you OP for taking the time to report your findings to the forum. There has been a lot of buzz about DR this, NR that... It really seems to boil down, from my outside perspective, that those who are planning on buying the camera love it's capabilities and those who aren't, for whatever reason, whether it be finances, lenses, whatever hates the camera and love to point out the NR usage, lack of DR, whatever... it seems to be the 5d2 release all over again... people loved it or hated it... It's just a bit overwhelming going over all the opinions of some on this forum... For me, while I do intend on getting this camera asap, I will bite my tongue and await for tests and final tests before I start arguing my thoughts on the camera.
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5d2 (not mk 3) examples of low iso shadow noise

Can anyone show us examples of when your 5d2 has banding/shadow noise on low ISOs? And can you show and/or explain how/where you cleaned up the files to remove the banding at ISO 100, 200, or such?

It will give me an idea what can be done with files on the 5d3 to solve this issue. Some of you are amazing at post-processing. Also, I read an article where ISO 160 was better than 100. Here's the useful link:

http://photocascadia.wordpress.com/2011/05/13/canon-eos-5d-mark-ii-iso-noise-test/

5D Mark III & EF 50mm f/1.8 II Camera Lens or 1.4

I had 50 1.8 and it has really great IQ when you look how much you paid for it. Probably it's the best IQ/price factor in Canon lens lineup. But it's not too well built. It's focus ring is not useful (too small and doesn't allow for operation when lens in AF mode). Having 5d3 I think, sooner or later you'd want shoot any movie no matter what it would be. 1.8 is useless in this area because of not useful focus ring.
Summarizing - it makes really good pictures but:
1. It doesn't have USM - really loud
2. AF might miss sometimes
3. Focus ring useless for manual setting
4. Weak, plastic butli

If above is not important for you, then take 50 1.8 because you'll be happy with it.
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Do FF cameras perform better in low light conditions?

Michael7 said:
Yes. FF sensors are much better for low light work.

Where a crop camera wins is versatility. A 300 mm lens becomes an almost 500mm lens, and you can buy decent ultraw wide angles.

I would suggest wins on the budget front as you can always buy a 500mm lens

With WA then ff is king with the 14mm and 8-15. The 10-22 doesn't even get close for IQ.
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Buying third party lenses, and which wide angle do you recommend?

kadadj said:
So I read trough the new responses and now I'm confused about what lens to get again.

I sympathize with your problem, because it's mine, too :-o ... Maybe this comparison review might help a little, but the gist is that there's not a clear choice and all lenses I'm thinking about (Canon, Tokina II, Sigma) have a crappy build quality and different issues (Canon: iq and crappy build quality, Tolkina: little max. magnification and zoom range is actually 12-15, Sigma: unprotected front and no filters)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Sigma-8-16mm-f-4.5-5.6-DC-HSM-Lens-Review.aspx
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"Stepping up" for prime shooters

primes i use most

lensbaby sweet 35 (I really like this lens its great fun!)
canon 50 f1.4
sigma 85 f1.4

other primes i have and dont use as much

canon 300 f4L IS also add the kenko 1.4 TC to give me 420 f5.6
and 600 f4.5 FD (manual focus only)

at the wide end i tend to use the 16-35 f2.8 more because of the flexability of the zoom

and I also have the 70-200 f2.8 IS II to fill in that gap

But the 50mm f1.4 and 85 f1.4 are probably my most used primes
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