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Viggo · Jul 11, 2020

Hi guys!

I’m sitting here very excited about the new R5 and R6 and had my mind set on an R5 until I saw the price where I live.

what I wanted in an upgrade over the R is;

much improved and snappier AF
Better weather sealing
IBIS
Faster fps.

and looking at those things I can see the R6 might just be good enough, the question I can’t seem to find myself is;

Is the AF EXACTLY the same on the two, or are they “comparable” at best like the 1dx2 and 5d4?

Is the R6 better sealed than the R? Is it the same as the R5?

where can I find all the detailed specs, it seems like everyone says something slightly different, even in the Event stream...

and I wonder how much I will notice the downgrade in screen res.

going to 20mp from 30mp is no big deal for me. I rather do that than handle 45mp files.

ahsanford · Jul 10, 2020

DPR took their first crack at an R5 (and R6 if curious).

Rather favorable press from DPR, and it's chocked full of details over 5 pages:

Canon EOS R5 review

Canon's EOS R5 is one of the best mirrorless cameras on the market today. But even with its 45MP sensor, 20fps bursts and 8K video, its not without its flaws. Find out all the ups and downs of Canon's latest mirrorless flagship right here.

www.dpreview.com

Stuff I learned that I may have missed (I skipped the launch presentation):

Canon says to expect a 1 stop DR bump over the EOS R, which would put it in the same league as the 1DX3. Great news if true.
The IBIS chart vs. lenses is simply mental. I heard the 8 stops claim, but I was stunned to see it apply to non-IS lenses. Weirdly, some IS lenses don't get better overall with Lens IS + IBIS than some non-IBIS lenses do!

8 stops is bonkers. That makes handheld ISO 100 nighttime shooting (for stationary subjects) possible. Wow.

Sealed to the same degree as a 5D4.

Anyway, have a read and enjoy. (It's weird for DPR to be kind to new Canon products.)

- A

Coffy83 · Jul 10, 2020

First of all the R5 is a dream camera and in every way better than the R. However, this being just a hobby and I having recently bought the RF 70-200 2.8, the RF 50mm 1.2, the RF 35mm 1.8 and the EF 24mm 1.4, I can’t justify spending over 4.000EUR on a camera body. Selling my R and spending 2.500EUR on the R6 is a possibility though.

Even though I am really excited about some of the specs of the R6, I do wonder if it would really be a better camera for me than the R already is and I believe there are a lot of people in my position. I shoot mainly portraits and landscape, nothing fast moving usually. I do 70% photography and 30% filming in documentary style. I have always longed for Ibis in video, 120fps im 1080p and better autofocus in stills. The R6 would provide me with all three of these specs but I ask myself will I sacrifice too much for this?

There are three main points of concern:

- Image quality in stills 30mp vs 20mp. I am expecting the R6 to be much better than the R in high iso performance, lowlight etc. and if so, I would happily sacrifice the 30mp for the 20. However, I do worry though that the high iso performance is not much different and I will only be left with less resolution.

- Build quality of the body. Even though they say the R6 and the R have the build quality of the 6D series and the R5 the one of the 5D series, I remember the R, at the time of release, marketed differently, closer to the 5D series in weather sealing etc.The top screen also suggests that. I really dislike the mode dial on the R6, it reminds me of my rebel/650D days years back. It looks amateurish and seems like a step back from the R. A big point is also that the R has a more high resolution screen than the R6.

- Image quality 4k/1080p video. This might be a surprise to some but I am really doubting that the R6 will have better 4k or 1080p video than the R. Yes it has ibis, it has 4k 60, it has no crop, it has 120 at 1080p and so on. I understand all that but I mean pure image quality. With a few tweaks here and there I have found the 4k image with its 480mbit and All-I of the R superb. Now we are only getting the IPB codec. I have seen a first hands on comparison between the R6 and the 5D Mark IV (which as we know has the same sensor as the R) and they have found the All-I of the 5D sharper and being more detailed as the 4k video of the R6. They also tested the R5 and it was of course the sharpest of the bunch.

I know it’s all early days and we will just have to wait for all the reviews and I hope they will start comparing the R6 more to the R instead of the R5 as this is the comparison most people will be interested in.

...and most of all I hope that my worries are unfounded and I can buy myself this new camera without sacrificing anything

Looking forward to reading your thoughts!

sanj · Jul 10, 2020

I am battling with the concept (myth?) that lower MP equates to cleaner photos at higher ISO.
What is the truth? Thank you.

Jack Douglas · Jul 10, 2020

This has come up on occasion rather vaguely but I thought it would be fun to reflect/analyze what we are seeing as Canon presses forward with their camera and lens development.

Canon has been bashed and ridiculed sometimes relentlessly by the armchair quarterbacks and the reviewers - one in particular comes to mind and all the while they have had a game plan - an ambush.

They changed the mount - everyone gripes ... and now ...

And they have positioned themselves so that when they did have all the pieces in place (and especially the higher speed card and the communication network and computation capability) they could really put out a product that would make folk stand up and take notice.

My record is clear, through all the bashing I have stood firmly behind my choice to move to Canon and now it looks like it'll be paying off.

Jack

herein2020 · Jul 10, 2020

Multiple reports are coming in that the EOS R5 has major overheating issues. I was wondering how they were going to pull off 8K and 4K120FPS in such a small body with no active or even passive cooling. Hopefully these are just pre-production issues and they improve the processing efficiency to the point to where this does not become a production issue.

In other news it seems like both the R5 and R6 will have terrible battery life and the R6 at least will not be able to record video to both card slots....so I'm back on the fence with waiting to see where Panasonic goes with the GH6. The R6 also still has that 30min video recording limit.

Canon EOS R5 has serious overheating issues - in both 4K and 8K - EOSHD.com - Filmmaking Gear and Camera Reviews

This information was supplied by Canon to the largest UK pro-video dealership CVP. It comes directly from the manufacturer’s own testing results. The Canon EOS R5 does push the technology under the hood very hard. With only passive cooling and no fan, in a body barely any larger than the Sony A7...

www.eoshd.com

Kit Lens Jockey · Jul 10, 2020

I know that rating cameras and lenses with stabilization to a certain number of stops of effectiveness is kind of a dubious pseudoscience to begin with. But there are a lot of wild claims going around about how many stops the IBIS claims to provide.

In the unveiling video, 8 stops was mentioned repeatedly, but I assumed anywhere near this would only be achieved when using a lens that also had stabilization. But this video offhandedly mentions that the 50mm f1.2 should provide 7 stops, and the 28-70mm f2 should provide 8 stops because of the "image circle" of those lenses, even though those lenses do not have IS. I assume they mean the image circle is large enough to allow the sensor a lot of room to move. (Link goes right to the spot in the video that mentions this.)

Claiming anything higher than 5 stops of stabilization with IBIS only and no IS in the lens sounds to me like something between overly ambitious and flat-out unheard of. Could the IBIS really be this good?

Joules · Jul 10, 2020

So, what's everybody's opinion on the new computational trickery the R5 introduces? Changing the lighting in n a scene and reducing haze depending on the distance? For examples, see:

Canon EOS R5 Dual Pixel RAW image processing - Canon Cyprus

Perform incredible adjustments to the images you shoot with EOS R5 Dual Pixel RAW mode. Adjust the sharpness position, bokeh lighting in portraits, and use background clarity to get landscapes looking their best.

www.canon.com.cy

I haven't seen much talk about it yet, so I think it is best put here in a separate thread.

I find the depth based dehaze kind of interesting. Does anybody know if the R6 has it too? Did not see references to that so far.

I find it cool that they are exploring some options. At this point, they aren't powerful enough to me to justify using in camera raw conversion of DPP, but they are clearly going in a direction where these might become unique enough features to make looking into it worth it.

Some depth based masking tools would be nice. Different white balancing for a foreground in shade than for a sunlight background for example. The lighting thing has potential too. I am looking forward to more examples.

XL+ · Jul 10, 2020

I just phoned with an shop for creating an nice Rf bundle. When talking of the RF 50mm 1.2 lens, the consultant there told me NOT to use an slim screwed in filter with this lens. It could be possible, that the inner part of the lens moves to far out and the lens will be damaged. Curious.
Can someone post, if this is really true?

XL+ · Jul 10, 2020

The R5 is my next camera. For adapting the Ef lenses I need adapters. I am pleased by the polarizer built in EF to Rf adapter for 10 100-400 II lens and older EF lenses. My two primes do have an built in filtercage.
For these, I will grab another adapter. Th one with the ring is suggested. But can you turn this ring well, if you adapt the R5 with this adapter to the 400mm 2.8 L II and the 600mm 4.0 L II? Or is the distance to small for it?

Kit Lens Jockey · Jul 9, 2020

I noticed the standard ISO range for the R6 goes one stop higher than the R5 (102400 on the R6, vs 51200 on the R5.) This makes sense because of the lower resolution and larger pixels.

But with just under half the resolution on the R6, at the risk of setting off a heated debate, is it fair to say that the high ISO noise performance between the two cameras will probably be pretty similar to one another for any photo viewed at a given size? I would think any higher amount of noise on the R5 will be negated by the fact that you are only looking at the photo at about half the scale of a photo from the R6 at any given size.

Rick H · Jul 9, 2020

With the announcement of R5, R6 and perhaps the interdiction of a 5D Mark V later this year is the 5D Mark IV still in the running for all purpose camera? With Canon's June reduction of 5D Mark IV pricing to S1,899.00 US, looked like a great price. But now the cost returned to $2,500.00, same price as the R6. So is there a reason to purchase a 5D Mark IV?

TomR · Jul 9, 2020

Canon EOS R5 has serious overheating issues - in both 4K and 8K - EOSHD.com - Filmmaking Gear and Camera Reviews

This information was supplied by Canon to the largest UK pro-video dealership CVP. It comes directly from the manufacturer’s own testing results. The Canon EOS R5 does push the technology under the hood very hard. With only passive cooling and no fan, in a body barely any larger than the Sony A7...

www.eoshd.com

Where were these images taken from? it looks like they could be from the manual?

ahsanford · Jul 9, 2020

DXOMark Admits They Screwed Up Their Canon 1D X Mark III Review

Earlier today, DXOMark issued an apology. The popular sensor testing company revised its controversially low score for the Canon 1D X Mark III, admitting

petapixel.com

- A

TominNJ · Jul 9, 2020

It’s shown in this list of differences between R5, R and R6

https://downloads.canon.com/nw/camera/products/eos/product-1/pdfs/EOS-R5-improvements-part-1.pdf

IcyBergs · Jul 9, 2020

Being that the R5 has been available for pre-order for some 9000 seconds already...it's time to start thinking about the future, so what are you hoping to see in an R5 Mark II?

sanj · Jul 9, 2020

R5 Release Price. Just for fun.

It may be fun to see whose guesstimate is the closest. So, what will be R5's price at B&H Photo at launch? I predict 3599$ You? Whatever free stuff (card reader/EF adaptor etc) included.

www.canonrumors.com

cayenne · Jul 9, 2020

It appears that while we have 8K RAW video, there doesn't seem to be 4K RAW video....or am I missing something?

If no 4K RAW...any ideas why it isn't there?

Think it will be added later with a firmware update?

I'd think it would be a no brainer to have 4K and maybe even 1080p RAW.....?

Thoughts?

cayenne

VICYASA · Jul 9, 2020

Since pricing is up on R5 and R6... When can we expect, or as we do best here, speculate on EOS R price drop? I hope soon!

If it's $1499 as I expect... a HECK of a deal!

Maximilian · Jul 9, 2020

First street prices found at fotokoch.de :

R5 body:
4.385,58 €
R5 Kit with RF24-105:
5.500,- €

Edit: Additional to this some other prices from the same source:

R6 body:
2.630,96 €
R6 + RF 24-105mm f/4,0-7,1 IS STM
2.981,88 €
RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L IS USM
3.020,87 €
RF 85mm f/2 MACRO IS STM
681,38 €
RF 600mm f/11 IS STM
778,86 €
RF 800mm f/11 IS STM
1.022,55 €

Edit 2: Canon Germany store has the same prices for the products displayed there.

Edit 3: All prices including VAT. Odd numbers come from a temporary reduction of German VAT from 19 to 16% due to COVID19 economic stimulus package.
That calculated out we come to the following numbers incl. 19% VAT:

R5 body:
4.499,- €
R6 body:
2.699,- €

Canon Rumors · Jul 9, 2020

MELVILLE, N.Y., July 9, 2020 – With anticipation at a fever pitch, Canon U.S.A. Inc., a leader in digital imaging solutions, is excited to introduce the company’s next generation of full-frame mirrorless cameras – the EOS R5 and EOS R6. These groundbreaking cameras are the result of many years of collecting and listening to feedback from Canon users and are sure to meet the needs and demands of a variety of creators. The EOS R5 is a camera designed for professional applications featuring a new 45-megapixel full-frame CMOS sensor and uncropped 8K video recording up to 29.97 fps. The EOS R6 is geared towards advanced amateurs featuring a 20.1-megapixel full-frame CMOS sensor and 4K video recording up to 59.94 fps. The addition of the EOS R5 and the EOS R6 cameras within the EOS R series lineup further...

Canon Rumors · Jul 9, 2020

Cameras

Canon EOS R5 Body $3899
Canon EOS R5 w/24-105mm f/4L IS USM $4999
Canon EOS R6 Body $2499
Canon EOS R6 w/24-105mm f/4-7.1 IS STM $2799
Canon EOS R6 w/24-105mm f/4L IS USM $3599

Lenses

Canon RF 85mm f/2 IS STM Macro $599
Canon RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L IS USM $2699
Canon RF 600mm f/11 IS STM $699
Canon RF 800mm f/11 IS STM $899
Canon RF 1.4x Teleconverter $499
Canon RF 2.0x Teleconverter $599

Accessories

Canon BG-E10 Battery Grip $349...

celex · Jul 8, 2020

It seems like the R5 will have a built in OLPF, but will it be enough to not need a UV/IR Cut?

Canon Rumors · Jul 8, 2020

Pricing in USD has finally leaked out ahead of tomorrow’s official announcement of the Canon EOS R5, Canon EOS R6, and lenses.
Canon EOS R bodies to be announced tomorrow

Canon EOS R5 $3899
Canon EOS R5 w/24-105mm f/4L IS USM $4999
Canon EOS R6 $2499
Canon EOS R6 w/24-105mm IS STM $2899
Canon EOS R6 w/24-105mm f/4L IS USM $3599

Canon RF lenses to be announced tomorrow

Canon RF 85mm f/2 IS STM $599
Canon RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L IS USM $2699

[url=https://www.canonrumors.com/here-are-the-usd-prices-for-the-canon-eos-r5-canon-eos-r6-and-lenses/]Continue reading...

Canon Rumors · Jul 8, 2020

Here are more (no video information) specifications for the Canon EOS R6.
Canon EOS R6 Specifications:
● Equipped with a full-size CMOS sensor with an effective pixel count of approximately 20.10 million pixels, which is customized based on the sensor equipped with “EOS-1D X Mark III”. High image quality and high-speed continuous shooting are achieved by the high-speed signal readout of the CMOS sensor, high-speed processing of the new video engine “DIGIC X”, and high-performance “RF lens”.
● When shooting with the electronic shutter, high-speed continuous shooting of up to about 20 frames/second is achieved with AF/AE tracking. You can shoot without worrying about the shutter sound in scenes such as facing wild animals and playing golf.
● When shooting with the mechanical shutter/electronic front curtain, high-speed continuous shooting of up to approximately 12 frames/sec.
● AF performance is improved as “dual pixel CMOS AF II” by high-speed signal readout of the new CMOS...

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