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50mm or 85mm?

So I already own (and love!) the Canon 100m f/2.8 L IS but I'm weighing up adding a bokeh monster to my kit bag too

Thing is, I would prefer the 85mm but it is so close in focal length to the 100mm which had me thinking of considering a 50mm.

Which way would you guys go if you already own a 100m? 50mm or 85mm?

Could FF mirrorless tempt 'never-mirrorless' FF SLR folks with features?

For those who have no interest in mirrorless, what would happen if any of the following items/features landed in the first FF mirrorless body?

  • IBIS
  • Tilty-flippy touch screen (in a higher than 6D2 feature set)
  • A new variant of the 5DS sensor with on-chip ADC (i.e. something resembling the 5DS2 sensor)
  • +3 fps over your current FF SLR (presume fully working AF throughout)
  • Thin mount design affords enough space to rear-filter EF lenses that are not front-filterable (possibly through the EF adaptor)
  • Eye AF
  • Ultra-light body design (more than just from mirror removal and body size changes: say, with carbon fiber instead of metal)
  • AF points that almost completely fill the viewfinder -- no more central core of AF points that SLR designs typically have

For those with no interest in mirrorless, Is there a killer app that will change your mind? Is anything above so attractive to you that if mirrorless was the only way to get it, you'd do it?

In other words, if a critical thing you are interested in drops in the new FF mirrorless rig, do you bite the bullet and get the FF mirrorless rig, or just wait/hope that particular tech/feature makes it into your preferred SLR slot?

(Again, I'm specifically asking the 'never-mirrorless' camp of FF shooters. If you are interested in getting an FF mirrorless rig, you are not who I am looking for with this, thx.)

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Canon Will Announce Their First Full Frame Mirrorless in 2018 [CR3]

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The announcement date guesses for Canon’s first full frame mirrorless camera have ranged between Photokina in September 2018 and some time in Q1 of 2019.</p>
<p>We’re now told that one of the full frame mirrorless cameras coming from Canon will be announced and on sale before the end of 2018. While the exact announcement date is unknown at this time. Logically, something should be happening for Photokina. Although, we’re a mere 10 weeks away from Photokina and specifications are still hard to come by, if more information doesn’t become clearer soon, we might only get a development announcement at the trade show.</p>
<p>We have noticed a spike in folks seeing cameras being tested in the wild that don’t match up to current Canon camera bodies, unfortunately we have yet to receive any pictures of suspected test cameras.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/industry-news-the-first-rumored-specifications-of-nikons-full-frame-mirrorless-cameras/">Nikon appears to be getting closer</a> to announcing their new system and I don’t expect Canon to be too far behind.</p>
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Mismatch: 80D vs 5D ii for Portraits?

I'm enjoying a new to me 80D, and a Canon 50 f/1.8 ii for portraits. We also have the 24 f/2.8 and Younguo f/2 when there isn't enough space for the 50. A new friend told me she has the 5D ii, ii, and iv. She said she really loves the 5D ii for skin tone and texture in portraits. It looks like a 5D ii costs about the same as a Sigma 18-35 f1.8 sale price for my 80D. Any feel whether one would be superior for portrait photos?

I didn't expect to consider a body as a direct competitor to a new lens. I figure the 80D may have an edge in really low light recovery, but given decent light, which would be more desirable? I'm very curious what folks with more experience think, since I've never had a FF digital camera.

  • Poll Poll
Is it realistic for the canon 7d iii to match the image quality of nikon d500?

Do you think the 7diii can at least match or even overtake the nikon d500 regarding noise at high is

  • Will not match iso performance

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • Will match iso performance

    Votes: 4 40.0%
  • Will have better iso performance

    Votes: 3 30.0%

When you compare Images of the 7d ii with images form the nikon d500 you can see two things in favor of the nikon d500:

More sharpness
Less noise at high iso

I think that canon can match the sharpness of the images of the nikon d500 by removing the AA filter.
But iso performance wise it is atm obvious that the canon 7d ii has more colour noise, way more color noise.
As for luminance noise im not sure how far they really are apart.

Do you think the 7diii can at least match or even overtake the nikon d500 regarding noise at high iso? is it realistic? keep in mind the nikon d500 has a slightly bigger aps-c sensor.

Perhaps a poll is usefull here:

Is Maybe "Mirrorless" Not as Much of a Thing as Everyone's Saying?

So I got the latest and greatest mirrorless camera, took a spin for a day and went right back to my large DSLR without looking back.
Had all of the features anyone could want and more, but was just too small for good handling and I didn't like how it came out of the box for transferring photos (no USB cable, etc.).
Since that recent fateful day I got a moderately large and heavy DSLR lens and that system just feels perfectly right with everything I could ever want and more starting on day one.
Not feel'in it.

EF-X Mirrorless concept

I had this buried on a poll thread and thought it might get lost.

A few folks here offered this EF-X idea and I put it to pictures. Forgive my crappy Photoshoppery here, but would this idea work?

EF-X Idea.jpg
Pros:
  • Full EF mirrorless = no adaptors needed, no one gets cold feet about Canon abandoning them, etc.
  • A tiny lens + body combination is still possible
  • Limited scope for Canon to support. It would be impractical to do this for larger / longer / faster glass, so Canon won't have to build a houseloud of these EF-X lenses -- they'd likely just keep this to the 3-7 lenses that make the size savings pop, like the 28 f/2.8 IS I show in the graphic.

Cons:
  • Say arrivederci to adapting FD, EF-S (in crop mode), Nikkor, and third party lenses.
  • These lenses might have to protrude into the mirror-space a lot to enjoy that small overall footprint, like a good 20-25mm or so, so I wonder if that means we're dealing with a collapsing lens + FBW sort of 'powered' mounting process. (Not sure this is a 'con' or just what's needed to implement this idea.)
  • A nestled smaller lens might have very little sticking out (see pic below), which will certainly reduce the real estate for focus rings, zoom rings, distance scales, AF + IS switches, etc. and reversing appropriately sized hoods may no longer be possible.
  • The full EF tube/block = no chance for an ultra-slim deck of cards / portable hard drive sized tiny 2nd body for travel.
  • Large aperture rear elements could be problematic to nestle like this, ya? (But they might never make fast glass that would be too big in this format -- possibly just point folks to EF at that point.)

This is not my idea -- Don Haines (and some others, forgive my poor memory) first brought it to my attention. I'm just curious to see how technically viable this is, as well as how this might be received by the 'I want it thin' FF mirrorless camp.

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Patent: APS-C Compact Lens Optical Formulas

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A patent showing three different optical formulas for APS-C sensor cameras has appeared.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.canonnews.com/canon-patent-application-aps-c-compact-camera-lenses">According to Canon News</a>, this patent is missing some good information that would help narrow down what these embodiments are for.</p>
<p><strong>The 3 embodiments:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>15-45mm f/2.8-5.6</li>
<li>15-45mm f/2.0-5.0</li>
<li>15-60mm f/2.0-5.0</li>
</ul>
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<p><strong>From Canon News:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Our assumption with this patent application is that these lenses are for APS-C given the focal lengths of the lenses, however in this patent application, unlike most, the half image width is curiously missing from the patent application.  This could be for a mirrorless EF-M camera, or even a APS-C compact camera.  It’s hard to tell without the image half width.  The patent description seems to be talking more about a compact camera.</p></blockquote>
<p>It looks like the 15-60mm f/2.0-5.0 has an extremely short back focus suggesting it may be for a PowerShot application and not for mirrorless or APS-C DSLRs.</p>
<p>We wouldn’t be shocked to see a new EF-M 15-45mm lens announced alongside the EOS M5 Mark II, as we’ve been told that a new kit lens of some kind is on the way.</p>
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TDP Image Quality posted -- 70-200 f/4L IS II: it's not much better

Holy cow, and not a good holy cow:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1198&Camera=979&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=404&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

The new optical design doesn't look that new at all. I know it's just one copy, but:

  • At 200, the Mk II looks a hair better in midframe. It's not a resounding win, but it's better.

  • At 135, the Mk II is a step forward.

  • At 70, I'll take the Mk I thank you very much. :o

We expected this from the f/2.8L IS III, not from the new optical design f/4L IS II.

[Checks TDP specs]

The IS improved, MFD got smaller, one more blade was added and the filter thread got bigger... but the element count is the same and the IQ looks very similar. Just how new and improved is this optical design? Is this another 24-105L II sort of situation?

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Canon's Full Frame Mirorrless Cameras [CR2]

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Canon will release two full frame mirrorless cameras before the middle of 2019, the first one to come will be the “flagship” model for this new line of cameras. <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/the-full-list-of-unreleased-canon-camera-ids/">As reported earlier</a>, this camera will sport a 30.4mp sensor that could be closely related to the EOS 5D Mark IV.</p>
<p>The second full frame mirrorless body will be a lower megapixel count. We’ve seen mentions of various pixel counts, which isn’t unusual, as test cameras can come with a wide array of different image sensors. The most likely pixel count will be around 24mp, we do not believe they’ll be using the EOS 6D Mark II’s 26.2mp sensor, or even a modified version of it.</p>
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<p>Both cameras will shoot 4K, with the “flagship” model providing the best video features.</p>
<p>We’re also told that there’s a possibility of a removable EVF on one of the cameras, which we think would be reserved for the lower end full frame mirrorless camera.</p>
<p>We’re told that there are currently no plans to release a camera that will compete directly with Sony’s high ISO capable Alpha a7s II.</p>
<p><strong>What about the mount?</strong></p>
<p>We cannot get a straight answer about this. We’ve been told everything from a new mount to EF mount. One trusted source told us that the full frame mirrorless camera and EF mount problem has a “sexy” solution. We’re not sure what that means, but it’s the best news we’ve received on the topic.</p>
<p><strong>When are they coming?</strong></p>
<p>Both camera bodies will be shipping by mid 2019, but the exact announcement date for the first camera is unknown at this time.</p>
<p><strong>What will they be called?</strong></p>
<p>For the moment we only have codenames, but “EOS M1” has yet to be used by Canon. Other than that, no naming suggestions have been sent our way.</p>
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Tethering speeds

I am using a cable to tether my 5DM3 into Lightroom on my Macbook Pro. I am shooting .CR2. The speed is OK, though I would like it to be faster.

1. Is there anyway to increase the speed of the photos being tethered/imported into Lightroom?
2. If I want to tether wirelessly using a CamRanger are the speeds much slower than what I am experiencing with a cable?

Thanks in advance.

Happy July 4 (USA)

To our USA Members:
I hope everyone has a happy and safe 4th. As you celebrate independence day, be careful with fireworks, and post your fireworks photos for us to admire.Many, if not most places in the US do not allow fireworks, but there seems to be no shortage of them. We have Indian reservations dotted all around us where they are legal.

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Industry News: The First Rumored Specifications of Nikon's Full Frame Mirrorless Cameras

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<a href="https://nikonrumors.com/">Nikon Rumors</a> has posted the first rumored specifications of Nikon’s full frame mirrorless cameras.</p>
<ul>
<li>Two mirrorless cameras: one with 24-25MP and one with 45MP (48MP is also a possibility). I assume both cameras are full frame (I did not get a specific confirmation on that).</li>
<li>Similar body size to the Sony a7 camera but with better ergonomics and a better grip.</li>
<li>5-axis in-body stabilization</li>
<li>9fps</li>
<li>New mirrorless mount. We already knew that,  but the number I was given this time is 55mm. The Z-mount dimensions <a href="https://nikonrumors.com/2018/01/18/a-quick-update-on-the-rumored-nikon-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-z-mount.aspx/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">I reported a few months ago</a> were 49mm for the actual opening and 65.4mm for the entire mount diameter.</li>
<li>The new mirrorless mount will allow for f/0.95 lenses – <a href="https://nikonrumors.com/2018/06/02/nikon-has-a-new-noct-trademark-for-cameras-and-lenses.aspx/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">remember the NOCT trademark and f/0.9 lens patents</a>?</li>
<li>Memory cards: XQD and CF Express – now this is a surprise for me, but it is what I have heard (<a href="https://photorumors.com/2018/04/08/new-from-prograde-digital-cfexpress-1tb-and-sdxc-uhs-ii-v90-memory-cards/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">ProGrade is coming with a CF Express card</a>).</li>
<li>EVF resolution: 3.6MP</li>
<li>Initially, three lenses will be announced: 24-70mm, 35mm and 50mm (I think the 35 and 50mm will be f/1.4). There is also talk about a 24mm, but it may come later.</li>
<li><strong>Pricing:</strong>
<ul>
<li>The 45MP model will be around $4,000/€4,000 in a kit with the 24-70mm lens.</li>
<li>The 25MP model will be under $3,000/€3,000 (also with a lens).</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>The official announcement is rumored for the end of July (on or around July 23rd) and shipping shortly after (August 23rd). This is the part I am not sure about because previous tips suggested a Photokina announcement. Maybe we will see the development announcement at the end of July and the official announcement before Photokina. I will try to get a confirmation on the exact announcement date.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong><a href="https://nikonrumors.com/">Read more at Nikon Rumors</a></strong></p>
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Help getting started with Studio Lights

I'm completely new to studio lighting and am using a single monolight, softbox and a reflector, along with a 5DM3, 70-200 and a Sekonic L-478D along with a synch cable for the monolight and meter.

I'd like to shoot f2.8 in order to create blur to the background, though I am confused by the process I should be going through. I have the modeling light turned on, I connect the synch cable to the meter and I take a reading. I'm able to go from 5.0 lowest power up to 10.

1. Does shutter speed even matter? I want to take photos of kids and I usually use 250 in natural lighting. What should I use with the studio lighting?

2. My meter with the studio light setting does not let me dial in F stop, just ISO and shutter. How do I figure out my desired F stop?

Thanks in advance.

  • Poll Poll
FF Mirrorless Poll: What Mount Will We See?

What FF mirrorless mount will Canon release? (what they will *release* -- not what you want)

  • FF mirrorless will be offered in thinner-than-EF

    Votes: 10 21.3%
  • FF mirrorless will be offered in full EF

    Votes: 13 27.7%
  • FF mirrorless will be offered in thinner-than-EF at first, but a full EF mirrorless will come later

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • FF mirrorless will be offered in full EF at first, but thinner-than-EF mirrorless will come later

    Votes: 7 14.9%
  • Canon will launch the system with both full EF and thinner-than-EF mounts

    Votes: 15 31.9%

I don't want to know what mount you want. I want to know what you think it is going to be.

COMPANION POLL HERE:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=35292.0


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  • Poll Poll
FF Mirrorless Poll: if new mount is thin, how many new lenses will we see?

Presuming the FF mirrorless mount is thinner than EF, how many new mount lenses will eventually get

  • Very, very few lenses: just the 2-4 lenses that maximize size savings (35 f/2.8, pancakes, etc.) --

    Votes: 9 15.3%
  • A small number of standard options (e.g. standard zoom, wide zoom, a few primes, perhaps a macro)

    Votes: 12 20.3%
  • A decent spread but nothing exotic or fast (similar to what we have on EOS M today)

    Votes: 7 11.9%
  • Same as Option 3 (similar to EOS M) but with a few staple pro/fast zooms and primes added

    Votes: 13 22.0%
  • The core of EF high runner lenses (or similar) will be offered in the new mount

    Votes: 5 8.5%
  • Almost all of EF will be remade in the new mount, save perhaps the ancient/exotic/nutty ones

    Votes: 13 22.0%

Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on how much new-mount glass we would see if Canon does indeed offer a thin-mount FF mirrorless setup.

I am not asking how many lenses we will see at launch. I am referring to the 'end footprint' of the new mount's lens ecosystem, i.e. many years down the road.

COMPANION POLL HERE:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=35293.0


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More Canon Gear Appears for Certification, Including 5 New Lenses

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More Canon gear has been uncovered through certification agencies by Nokishita, including 5 lenses.</p>
<p><strong>DS 126721 (EOS)</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Interchangeable lens camera (single lens reflex or full size mirrorless)</li>
<li>Wi-Fi · Bluetooth installed</li>
<li>Battery: LP-E6 / LP-E6N (or equivalent)</li>
<li>The same radio parts as Kiss M</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>PC 2352 (PowerShot)</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Digital camera</li>
<li>Made in Japan</li>
<li>Wi-Fi · Bluetooth installed</li>
<li>Size: 110.1 x 63.8 x 39.9 mm</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Interchangeable lens (5)</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>2439C005AA</li>
<li>2959C005AA</li>
<li>2963C005AA</li>
<li>2972C005AA</li>
<li>3045C005AA</li>
</ul>
<p>We know one of the lenses is the EF-M 32mm f/1.4 STM, two of the others are “professional lenses” and at least one of them is a “kit lens” for an unreleased camera(s).</p>
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