5DIV, 7DII and future of upgrades

Reading some of the excellent commentary here, especial Jon Rista's take on the amount of headroom that remains in ISO improvements (I don't for a second pretend to understand terms like quantum efficiency, so I have to take his word for it)...re-reading some columns by Nikonista Thom Hogan...and seeing that Fuji is announcing another new, free firmware upgrade for the X-Pro-1, got me thinking about the future of DSLR upgrades.

I recall Canon's commitment when it released the original F1 that they would not release a new model for at least a decade. Their purpose was to demonstrate to professional photographers that they were committed to their pro-level SLR and that photographers could purchase the camera knowing it would be fully supported.

For most of the past decade, gear enthusiasts have been spoiled by the remarkable and near continuous improvements in DSLRs. But, those improvements are increasingly coming at the margins. Higher megapixels, increased dynamic range, high and low ISO improvements, while nice, are generally needed only under very specific conditions for very specific purposes.

Any honest assessment would acknowledge that for 90-95% of subjects and conditions, the cheapest entry-level Canon and Nikon will produce results that under real world conditions will be indistinguishable from the flagship models.

Fuji has followed a path with their X-Pro-1 of releasing firmware updates to keep the camera current and boost customer satisfaction and loyalty. (To be fair, Canon did much the same thing when it released it's major firmware upgrade of the 7D – extending the practical life of the camera and effectively giving customers a free "7D.20" version of the original.)

So, having said all that, I am going to go out on a limb and predict that the upgrade cycle for the 5DIII to 5DIV will equal or exceed the cycle between the 7D and 7DII and that we are entering an era in which upgrades will be fewer and further between.

At the same time, I am going to suggest/hope that Canon and Nikon will offer more significant firmware upgrades during the interim.

This will certainly require some adjustments to their business model, but in a sense they are simply going back to the model that both companies followed successfully for decades. That's one reason why I believe Nikon and Canon are better positioned for long-term success than companies like Sony, which got into the digital camera market during the boom era and do not have the institutional memory or experience to easily adopt to longer development cycles and more modest sales growth.

I see Canon as particularly well-positioned for this change. They have aggressively developed products for new markets, especially the booming cinema market where growth is fed by the seemingly unquenchable thirst of the internet for new video content. Their recent emphasis on security cameras also shows they are prepared to move into another fast growing emerging market. I am less convinced that Nikon is equally well-positioned, but then I don't follow them as closely as I do Canon.

So what's the point?

In part to feed off the idea of "10 years from now" and in part to get people out of the rut of trading insults over dynamic range and other esoteric subjects that do not sell cameras and do not matter to the vast majority of photographers.

What is your prediction? Will we see fewer upgrades in the future? Will we see more substantial firmware upgrades? Given that Canon and Nikon need to continue to sell products, do you think they will become more aggressive at selling lenses, strobes and other peripherals? Will you spend less money on photography in the future, or will you just spend it differently and how?

Best lens for night time lapse

So assuming I'm going to be doing night time lapse photography--not necessarily an hour long exposure to get star trails and whatnot, but taking 100s/1000s of shots in order to turn it into a video--what lens recommendations do all you fine folks have?

I just upgraded to a 5D Mark III, and have the 24-105mm, 50mm f/1.4, and a Sigma 12-24. The upgraded camera and a new tripod were supposed to be all my camera spending for this holiday season, but now I'm thinking I should probably get another lens. Maybe. If I can be convinced to part with the money. If, for example, the 24-105 or Sigma lens doesn't cut it.

Anyway, I just saw that B&H had a discount for cyber monday on the Canon 16-35mm (for $1349 after mail in rebate) and though I might go for it.

Thanks for any help!

Edit: Or would a 70-200mm be more appropriate?

Camera Cleaning Suggestions

I have had some dust specs on my sensor for quiet a while, and I'm tried of using clone/healing to correct the spots on nice blue skies. Any suggestions for who to send it to? What is your experience with turnaround time and price? I've been considering Canon, KEH, and Pro Camera Repair. I'd rather not do the cleaning myself, and would like to leave it in the hands of a professional and absolve myself of any liability. Let me know your experiences, and any places to use or to avoid. Also, I'm not a CPS member or anything, so whatever I go with will be at full price. I'd like to send it out this week and have it back the week before Christmas.

Canon EOS M2 Specs Revealed?

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<p><strong>Canon EOS M2

</strong>Below are the rumored specs of the Canon EOS M2 that will be announced for CES 2014 in Las Vegas.</p>
<p>There is no mention of new lenses for the system.</p>
<p><strong>Specifications</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>APS-C 18MP sensor</li>
<li>Hybrid CMOS AF II</li>
<li>AF Speed 2.3 times faster</li>
<li>AF Servo in Video Mode</li>
<li>Image processing engine DIGIC 5</li>
<li>4.6fps burst rate</li>
<li>ISO range 100-12800 (25600 extended)</li>
<li>About a 10% smaller than the Canon EOS M</li>
<li>Wifi in camera</li>
<li>Can operate the camera with a smartphone.</li>
<li>Wireless image transfer to the smartphone</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Source: [<a href="http://digicame-info.com/2013/12/eos-m2-1.html" target="_blank">DCI</a>]</strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

Advice on 70-200 lens

Hi everyone!
I currently own a 60D, that I use much more often with the 17-55mm f/2.8, and only sometimes with the 50mm f/1.4. Having my son quickly growing up and beginning to walk, the need for a telephoto lens is becoming clear.
I'm considering buying the 70-200 f/4L (non-IS), for the price looks very good for the image quality I've read about.
My question: would you consider the IS version, even though it will cost almost twice as much? Do you think IS will be worth the price difference?
I don't plan going FF; will probably buy the 7D mk2 instead. Also, the f/2.8 version os the 70-200L will be probably too big for shooting a casual soccer game or so.
Thank you for your help!
Daniel

Compromise sports lens for 5D MKiii

Looking for lenses for my first FF Canon 5d mkiii. I have the opportunity to be on the field for DI lacrosse but I do not plan to buy pro-prime lenses. I have come to the conclusion I will need to compromise but what is the best I can possibly purchase? The college will use the images for the website and portrait use. I tend to capture portrait style sport images that isolate my subject.

It is possible the new 7d mkii might be a better choice but I can't wait until spring. The season starts in February.

I know this question is asked time and time again but I never seem to get an answer for the sport enthusiast. I would like to take advantage of holiday/rebate sale that crops up and due to hesitation I lost out on the refurbished offerings on the Canon site. I will probably need to make a quick decision and I would like to have a handle on what my options are for my sports photography.

I have narrowed down to the following in my budget:

Canon 70-200 f2.8 VRII IS
Canon 70-200 f2.8 non IS
Sigma 120-300 f2.8
Tamron 70-200 f2.8

Lacrosse is a really fast sport. I need to think about focus speed and I have read some negative reviews of the Sigma 120-300 in that regard.
I also wonder if adding an extender for extra reach is an option and which lens will perform best with an extender attached?

My other lens choices for portraits/event - low light subjects are as follow:
Canon 24-70 f2.8 used
Canon 50 f.14
Tamron 24-70 f2.8
Sigma 85 f1.8

DXOMark has some nice scores (27) on the the Tamron 24-70 and while I can't claim to understand fully their testing it seems like a decent compromise. The score of 28 on the Tamron 70-200 f2.8 makes me think third party lens might be a way to work out this purchase. I did get rather confused over the issue of the 5d recognizing third party lenses.

I will eventually get into landscape but not at this time.

TM

Canon's Cinema EOS System Captures Comet ISON from Space

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<p>TOKYO, Japan, December 2, 2013—Canon Inc. announced today that an ultra-high-sensitivity 4K camera was used to successfully capture video of the comet ISON from the International Space Station at approximately 7:08 p.m. JST on November 23, 2013. Canon technology contributed to this world’s-first achievement as video production equipment from Canon’s Cinema EOS System was used to record the astronomical phenomenon.</p>
<p>Discovered in September 2012, ISON was unique in that, among the many large comets that have passed through the solar system in recent years, none had traveled so close to the sun. Accordingly, expectations were high that the “sungrazing” ISON would provide earthbound stargazers with a rare performance that would not likely be repeated anytime soon. After the video was shot, however, the comet is believed to have largely broken up and evaporated, meaning that it will no longer be visible in the night sky.</p>
<p>The footage of the comet ISON was shot from the vantage point of outer space, which is not subject to atmospheric fluctuation, enabling the capture of clear video images that would not have been possible if shot from Earth. As a result, the video will likely prove of high value to the scientific community.</p>
<p>The Canon video production equipment taken on the mission, all from the company’s Cinema EOS System lineup of professional digital cinematography products, comprised the EOS C500 PL professional cinema camera (launched in October 2012) and two EF Cinema Lenses: the CN-E15.5-47mm T2.8 L SP (launched in December 2012) and the CN-E30-105mm T2.8 L SP (launched in October 2012). All three support 4K image resolution and the EOS C500 PL makes possible exceptional high-sensitivity imaging performance that facilitates the capture of usable footage even in low-light conditions.</p>
<p>The actual EOS C500 PL used on board the International Space Station underwent special modifications to further boost sensitivity and to enable the camera to withstand the rigors of shooting in space.</p>

Looking for advice on my portraits...

Hello,

Please see attached photos...what settings should I be using on my 5D MKIII (70-200mm f/2.8 IS II L) so I get everyone's face in tack sharp focus when there are multiple people in the photo?

Thanks

P.S. I'm relatively new to photography, and I have a lot to learn, so any feedback/input would be greatly appreciated!

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Slot Canyons- Canyon X and Upper Antelope, Grand Canyon

I hope everyone at CR had a great Thanksgiving holiday. I Spent most of my time in Arizona in search of unique landscapes- slot canyons in Page Arizona. I also went to the Grand Canyon which had low thick clouds and haze from a prescribed burn, which greatly limited views. Thanks to all of you who gave technical advice, and advice on where to go, what to bring.

I just got in last evening, and I want to share with everyone some of what I saw. I am going to post images that are minimally processed due to time constraints. I used my 5DIII, 24-70 2.8 II , Manfrotto 190CXPRO3 for the most part. On occasion, I used my new Samyang 14mm 2.8, which did not disappoint ( My addendum to Dustin's fine review- excellent lens, especially for the money- practice with it at home first, don't be afraid that you need to adjust aperture like the old days of manual, don't bother to look at the distance ring- just get to know what your copy does in advance, use a loupe and live view, dof preview button works, use manual and vary shutter speed, don't be afraid to go above f11 if needed- experiment with the lens).

This is my first attempt at Landscape and slot photography, which means small apertures and long exposures, but I learned a lot, and saw some awesome, otherworldly things.

Look, enjoy (or hate them, that's ok too), comment, if you want contact information, whatever.

Thanks to everyone in CR for support and comments in general, the site has helped educate me and I appreciate and benefit greatly.
( Samyang photos are jpeg endng in 46, 64, 73, rest are from 24-70 2.8 II)
Scott

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5dIII vs 7D shoot out for bird photography at 600mm and cropping

There are many, many comments in the the threads about the 7D having a 1.6x longer reach for bird and nature photography than the FF. Those of us who have both FF and 7Ds (Neuro et al) reckon that in practice the difference in reach isn't much in practice and the higher IQ of the 5DIII or 1Dx etc gives overall better images. This morning, I decided to have a shoot out with the 300mm f/2.8 II + 2xTC III on a 7D vs a 5DIII. Both cameras were hand held, but resting on the shelf of a hide (blind) at sufficiently high shutter speeds that there was no camera shake. Iso was at 640 and the aperture at f/5.6. I post 6 collage pairs out of many shots, which were are representative. The 7D images are at 100% crop (the actual number of pixels). The 5DIII have the number of pixels increased by 1.5x in each of width and height. All images were taken in RAW, and the sharpness and luminance set at 25 units in PS. The crops were cut and pasted into PS jpegs, and the collages sharpened using USM at 0.5 radius and 100%.

The results parallel what I have found many times in the past.

In terms of resolution
1. At very far distances where the cropped image on the 5DIII is about 200-400 pixels high or wide, the 7D is marginally better.
2. For larger images of say ~500-800 pixels high or wide on the 5DIII, it is at least as good as the 7D, if not better.
3. For images greater than a 1000 pixels, the 5DIII is very clearly superior.

The noise is better on the 5DIII.

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New High Quality EF-S Lens?

I was wondering if there would ever be an EF-S "L" series lens. In the standard zoom lens category the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM and the EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM both seem like good quality lenses, but how do they compare to the "L" series EF standard zoom lenses? In the telephoto zoom category the only options are the EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS STM and the EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS II. Both of which, from what I've heard, are good but don't come close to the image quality of the high end telephoto zoom lenses.

I have heard several rumors of new lenses in 2014, and was wondering if any EF-S lenses would be among those.

What I'm mainly wondering about is a lens that combines the image quality of EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM with the focal length range of the EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM. This way, when using the lens on a 7d for example, where the 24 is equivalent to 38.4, you get the advantage of extra focal length of the 15, which would be equivalent to 24.

Older NASCAR but Beauties!

These were taken at Watkins Glen in 2007 when I was covering NASCAR for a publication, these were some of my best shots of Tony Stewart who did eventually end up wining the race. These were taking using a Canon 20D with a 300mm f4.0 L lens.

Being new here I am trying to get 3 more images up can someone tell me what might be going wrong for me Thanks, Bob

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[Solved ] 5Dm3 Not Recognizing 100mm 2.8 Macro as f2.8?

I understand that the 5Dm3 AF system will have different sensitivities on its AF points depending on the maximum aperture of the lens.

I got a Tamron 28-75 f2.8, and while selecting AF points, it looks like I expect to, something like the first pic where the black dots are solid and the grey dots are blinking

However when I mount my Canon 100 f2.8 (non L) on it, ALL of the AF points on the left and right groups are blinking. (refer to second pic)

Does anyone know why that is?

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"Cumulative" power cuts; Mitros+ speedlites

I have recently purchased three Phottix Mitros+ flash units. I have been playing around with them, and a couple of light stands and shoot through umbrellas.

The manual says that the power cuts on the transmitter and on the receiver are "cumulative" to each other. This definitely proves true in my experiments with them so far.

Does this mean that I am basically getting a lot more low-power settings using two units than you could get using just a single unit on camera which would bottom out at 1/128? I Have noticed that sometimes 1/128th power is too much up close. So does using a wireless flash like this really extend the low-power capability of the flash in the way that the math seems to suggest? If so, that is a serious extra benefit to having the two units and the wireless connection.

Advice Request - Selling Lens & Refund complaint

Sold a 2nd hand EF 24-105mm L IS lens on Amazon under "Used - Good" category as although the lens has had a fair amount of use over 4 years the glass is unmarked and zoom function is smooth.

The buyer requested a refund however complaining that the focusing made too much of a noise and therefore he regarded it as defective. Later some more detail was added to an official complaint saying this noise occurred when manually focusing.

I had used that lens fairly recently before selling and yes there is a slight sound when the auto focus and image stabiliser kicks in under silent conditions (that is normal right?!) but there is no way that is noticeable or distracting under normal shooting conditions.

I am particularly curious about him specifying the noise under manual focusing as I must admit it is not something i really did much of if ever.

Could there be a defect that manifests itself as noise when manually focusing and not during auto focus? Seems a bit strange to be honest.

Make it stop! (Photo pun not intended)

I was very happy with myself when I got my new 70-200 2.8 ii for <$1800 recently after rebate. Still really feeling the love after a 300 f/2.8ii rental, I set a notification for that lens on the ongoing Black Friday sale and missed it for $4900-something TWICE because of a little something called employment getting in the way of constant email surveillance. That's probably a good thing. I could rent this lens lots of times and still spend less than a purchase (don't discuss rental $ versus purchase $ , please).

Now, I wake up to that $750 after rebate deal on the 100 Macro L f/2.8 IS at BuyDig. The temptress got me again! So now, another shining Canon box will head my way next week. I think I need to stop even looking. I need some sort of therapy, but that's been posted here before........

Contradicting Information About Canon's Camera Plans in 2014

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<p><strong>No big megapixel camera?

</strong>NL has posted that a known source has told them that there would be no big megapixel camera coming in 2014. There will be 2 new pro level cameras announced, however the EOS-1 line would remain unified.</p>
<p>One of the new models (1D X replacement?) would see a “modest bump” in resolution and have a split pixel sensor. It would have a slight body shape change which would be the same as a new EOS-1D C camera. The full frame lineup would remain EOS-1D X/EOS-1D C/EOS 5D/EOS 6D.</p>
<p><strong>CR’s Take

</strong>I’m definitely not sold on this idea, too many mentions of large megapixel cameras in testing for something not to come. With Sony and Nikon moving beyond 35mp, it’s going to be important for Canon to have some kind of studio solution if they’re not going into the medium format segment.</p>
<p>Source: [<a href="http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_1Dx_mk2.html" target="_blank">NL</a>]</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

Black Friday Special: Refurb 7D or 70D NEW

I purchased a refurbished 7D from Adorama. I am having second thoughts :-\ and may cancel the order and purchase a new 70D. Please advise on your experience in purchasing refurbished cameras.

The reason I purchased it was because I currently use a 40D for girls soccer and I hate it. It has really bad image quality (10MP) when I crop in on my shots.

I can't wait any longer for the 7DII. My daughter is a junior and will only play soccer for another year. I have no need for a crop frame beyond that. So my choices are to buy a cheap refurbished 7D or buy a new 70D.

is there a news feed without the advertising?

In the early days it was all about rumors, new releases and firmware updates.

Today i have the feeling its all about prices of canon gear (lenses, bodys, memorycards etc.). I am not only talking about that BlackFriday stuff (which i of course dont care at all too). Its going on for a while now.

I really dont care for how much this stuff sells where you live, i probably wouldnt even care if i lived on the same continent.

So is there a rss feed version without those advertisements?

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