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5dII or 7d?

Lurker for a while but my first post - so go easy on me :)

So I can't really justify the cost of the new 5dIII, great though it looks as I'm only a casual photographer.

I had been thinking about getting the 7D as an upgrade from my 50d for months, but wanted to hold fire until this news

So should I try and get a good deal on a 5dII now the III is along, or save the cash and get the 7d? I already have some great glass (24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 IS) and my main hobby is shooting action sports (snowboarding, surfing, skate, wake, motor racing etc.) and I would like to get more into music/club/venue photography. I would also like to start shooting HD video on whatever body I get (as my 50d doesn't have this)

The higher fps of the 7d over the 5dII certainly appeals, and i don't think I need FF so 7d seems like a smarter buy?

Thoughts?
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Save up to buy a 5D MKII or buy more lenses and video gear for my t3i?

now that hopefully a price drop will be on the way for the MKII, im thinking of selling my t3i and saving up to buy a 5D MKII, or should i keep the t3i and spend my saved up money on new lenses, shoulder mounts, sliders etc?

just thinking that im so close to buying a MKII really is a big tempation though, as i really want full frame!

i would be using the camera equally for video and stills.
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High ISO comparo: 5DIII vs. D800

V8Beast
You could see this one coming from a mile away. These 5DIII images have already been posted here. Just change the number in the URL from "01" to "18" to download them all.

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/education/technical/inside_canon_eos_5d_mark_iii/01_cinc_big.jpg


Here are some high ISO test images from the D800:

http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d800-high-iso-image-samples

There aren't many direct ISO comparisons (ie 1600 vs. 1600) in these samples, but my own worthless opinion is that the 5DIII at 25,600 looks almost as good as the D800 at 6400, and the 5DIII looks substantially better at 6400 than the D800 at 6400. So, my unscientific conclusion is that the 5DIII tops the D800 by 1.5 to 2 stops.

Discuss :)
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5D3 "In-Camera RAW Manipulation" ?

Fleetie
I seem to remember reading something about this in one of the threads, or possibly reviews.

Can you really do retroactive WB adjustment and change other RAW processing in the camera, to arrive at a satisfactory JPG?

If so (it seems a big "if" to me), how much can you do in-camera? Change the levels/mapping to make use of the DR/exposure latitude that RAW files offer?

I still prefer to get it right when shooting, but it would be a cool thing for the camera to allow you to manipulate the RAW processing in the camera and then save a JPG when you're happy.
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5D, Mark III: In-Camera HDR and Compositing

As I understand it and have seen in some samples, the new Mark III allows in-camera HDR and compositing (e.g., capturing multiple shots of people in motion in one image). I am curious, do the files on which these images are based merge into the final image, or does each individual file remain intact, so, for example, if you don't like the camera's implementation of HDR or compositing you still have files to use in Photoshop or an HDR program?

Thank you for any information.
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5D III or 1DX

Q
If I were to save money to buy one of these cameras, which would I go for to get the best deal as far as quality vs. price? I have read the specs on both cameras now that they are out on the Canon pages, and I would like to get some input from you guys who are way more experienced than I am. Disregard shooting style or interest. What I am asking is the difference in quality, and second comes the question if the difference in quality justifies the price difference?

Just if you have time to share your reading of the specs.
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Will we see a significant drop in used 1DmkIV prices?

Once the 1D X and the 5D mark III hit the streets, where do you see the prices of used 1D mark IV's going? With the new 5D's 6fps (not 10, but still), increadible ISO performance and over all image quality, do you think anyone would buy one even in mint shape for over $3000? Or do you think it's still in a class of it's own and will continue to sell at higher prices used?
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The 5D Mark III - From the Inside

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<strong>Images of the internals

</strong>Below are a bunch of images of some of the components that make up the Canon EOS 5D Mark III. The magnesium allow body, all the way to the AE module. There’s a few interesting things to see if you’re into the technical end of cameras.</p>
<div id="attachment_9166" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 560px"><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_01.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-9166" title="5d3_01" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_01.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="553" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Canon EOS 5D Mark III & Battery Grip - Front</p></div>
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<div id="attachment_9169" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 560px"><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_04.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-9169" title="5d3_04" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_04.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="423" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Canon EOS 5D Mark III Shutter</p></div>
<div id="attachment_9170" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 530px"><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_05.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-9170" title="5d3_05" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_05-520x575.jpg" alt="" width="520" height="575" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Canon EOS 5D Mark III Self Cleaning Unit</p></div>
<div id="attachment_9171" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 560px"><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_06.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-9171" title="5d3_06" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_06.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="338" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Canon EOS 5D Mark III AF Module</p></div>
<div id="attachment_9172" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 560px"><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_07.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-9172" title="5d3_07" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_07.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="438" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Canon EOS 5D Mark III Pentaprism</p></div>
<div id="attachment_9173" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 560px"><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_08.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-9173" title="5d3_08" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_08.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="364" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Canon EOS 5D Mark III Internal Board</p></div>
<div id="attachment_9174" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 560px"><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_09.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-9174" title="5d3_09" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_09.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="396" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Canon EOS 5D Mark III Sensor</p></div>
<div id="attachment_9175" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 560px"><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_10.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-9175" title="5d3_10" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_10.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="296" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Canon EOS 5D Mark III AF Sensor</p></div>
<div id="attachment_9176" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 560px"><a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_11.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-9176" title="5d3_11" src="http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d3_11.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="362" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Canon EOS 5D Mark III AE Sensor</p></div>
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<p><strong>From B&H</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/847545-REG/Canon_5260A002_EOS_5D_Mark_III.html/BI/2466/KBID/3296">Canon 5D Mark III Body $3499</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/847546-REG/Canon_5260B009_EOS_5D_Mark_III.html/BI/2466/KBID/3296">Canon 5D Mark III w/24-105 f/4L IS $4299</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/847537-REG/Canon_5296B002_Speedlite_600EX.html/BI/2466/KBID/3296">Canon 600EX-RT Speedlite $629</a></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>From Adorama

</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.adorama.com/ICA5DM3.html?kbid=64393" target="_blank">Canon 5D Mark III Body $3499</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.adorama.com/ICA5DM3K.html?kbid=64393" target="_blank">Canon 5D Mark III w/24-105 f/4L IS $4299</a></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>From Amazon

</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?lt1=_blank&bc1=000000&IS2=1&bg1=FFFFFF&fc1=000000&lc1=0000FF&t=canorumo-20&o=1&p=8&l=as4&m=amazon&f=ifr&ref=ss_til&asins=B007FGYZFI">Canon 5D Mark III Body $3499</a></li>
<li><a href="http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?lt1=_blank&bc1=000000&IS2=1&bg1=FFFFFF&fc1=000000&lc1=0000FF&t=canorumo-20&o=1&p=8&l=as4&m=amazon&f=ifr&ref=ss_til&asins=B007FGZ1V">Canon 5D Mark III w/24-105 f/4L IS $4299</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/?ie=UTF8&tag=canorumo-20&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&linkCode=ur2&docId=1000775751&camp=1789&creative=390957">Canon 5D Mark III Accessories</a></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>From Camera Canada

</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.cameracanada.com/enet-cart/product.asp?pid=5DMKIII">Canon 5D Mark III Body $3799 (CAD)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.cameracanada.com/enet-cart/product.asp?pid=5DMKIIIKIT">Canon 5D Mark III w/24-105 f/4L IS $4599 (CAD)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.cameracanada.com/enet-cart/product.asp?pid=600ex">Canon 600EX-RT Speedlite $699 (CAD)</a></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Source: [<a href="http://photorumors.com/2012/03/02/whats-inside-the-guts-of-the-canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-camera/" target="_blank">PR</a>]</strong></p>
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What to expect for a new high MP full-frame body?

A
With the current Canon lineup we have several DSLR bodies to choose from with 18-22 MP.

Given that Canon is building a well-earned reputation of actually listening to their users' wants and needs and even delivering on these requirements as shown in both 7D and (judging from existing previews) also 5D Mark III I wonder what people would look for in a new high MP camera?
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Newsflash on 5D mark III price: It's cheaper than the 5D II intro price

R
I keep seeing people posting about how they are dissatisfied with the 5D III price. Lets just look at the numbers:

Canon 5D Mark II intro price: 300,000 Yen
Canon 5D Mark III intro price: 270,000 Yen

Canon has always been a very rigid company with it's introductory pricing and has always priced successive products at the exact same price as previous generations, adjusted for inflation for the last 20 years. Their pricing has been so extremely consistent it deviates from the inflation rate in Japan less than a fraction of a percent. Their pricing is very similar to what Apple does in this way. The 5D Mark III marks the first time in history that Canon has ever priced a new generation of a product lower than the last generation.

If you have issues with the dollar amount complain about the devaluing of the US dollar, not about Canon.

I think the 5D III is a monumental upgrade, and the fact it's being offered for less than the last version was at introduction is all the more amazing.

Hope that helps clear up the pricing issue. If history is any indication the price will be cut in half over the next few years too :)
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Patent: Canon 17-40 f/2.8-4L

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<strong>Canon EF 17-40 f/2.8-4L Patent

</strong>Below is a patent for a new Canon wide angle zoom concept. The variable aperture is interested, if it remained as light and compact as the current 17-40 f/4L, the additional stop of light wide open would be a nice feature.</p>
<p><strong>Patent Publication No. 2010-42792</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>2012.3.1 Release Date</li>
<li>2010.8.20 filing date</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Example 1</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>39.05mm – f = 17.64 focal length</li>
<li>Fno = 2.64 – 4.10</li>
<li>28.99 deg – 50.80 half angle of view.</li>
<li>Image height 21.64mm</li>
<li>136.70mm – 134.67 full-length lens</li>
<li>BF 39.97 – 64.95mm</li>
<li>Lens Construction 12 elements in 9 groups sheet</li>
<li>4 aspherical surface</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Canon’s patent</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Negative lead type zoom lens of negative-positive</li>
<li>Small and light lens for focusing</li>
<li>Inner focus</li>
<li>Focusing the use (1b in the figure) part of the first lens group</li>
<li>Video support</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Source: [<a href="http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2012-03-02">EG</a>]</strong></p>
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How would you make a 3D?

Terry Rogers
If you were a Canon executive tasked with creating a 3D, what direction would you take it and how would you spec it? Here are my two cents (worth about one).

~25 mp APS-H
50 - 60 AF points, ~20 of them cross type at f5.6 and no less than 9 sensetive to f/8
1dx level weather sealing
8-9 fps
noise performance similar to 5D II (but from greater pixel density)
limited video capabilities. A camera designed from the grownd up for photographers (not saying it can't do video, just that limited money is spent enhancing video and put towards dedicated photography functionality)
Built in GPS to maximize and retain weather sealing (though I doubt Canon would ever do that with the release of their separate GPS unit)
Dual card slots

As you might guess, such a camera would be designed specifically for wildlife/BIF photographers. I must say, I am NOT a wildlife/BIF photographer and have possibly missed something you would want in such a camera.

All this in a body that goes for approximately $5000 - $5500.

I'm not sure if such a camera would be possible at that price point. But I think it would fill the need of those using supertelephoto lenses with extenders. The new breed of high end telephoto lenses would no doubt be able to resolve such a sensor, thus allowing the ultimate in reach and the ability to crop even further if necessary.

So what do you guys think? Do you think a camera like this would be economically vialbe? Would such a camera fulfill too small of a niche to warrant research and development costs? Whould you wildlife photographers even want a camera like this?

Or, would you take a 3D camera in a completely different direction? Maybe ultra high MP a la D800 for studio work. Maybe the 3D could be a medium format line?

I'm curious to find out what you all think.

Cheers
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WOW, 5D III shadow recovery!!

jrista
I was browsing through some of the 5D III sample shots from CPN Europe. I came across this one, which appears to be an in-camera multi-exposure JPEG.

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/education/technical/inside_canon_eos_5d_mark_iii/17_cinc_big.jpg

I was curious if there was any fixed-pattern read noise (banding noise) in the silhouetted parts of the image, so I downloaded it and started adjusting levels in Photoshop. The image below is a composite of two strips that have mid-gray levels adjusted by 3.4, next to two strips of the original image. I am blown away at the black recovery the 5D III has to offer!!! :o I mean, WOW:

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A curiosity: Canon Mirrorless MF?

jrista
There have looong been rumors about Canon and their mythical medium format DSLR. Canon has mentioned they are "working on something" a few times, but nothing has ever materialized. I can generally understand their reluctance to put much time, effort, and money into developing such a thing, as it does tend to be incredibly expensive. Things have changed in recent times, though, with the advent of mirrorless cameras. They are all small-format right now, smaller than APS-C for the most part.

I'm curious, though, about the possibility of a mirrorless/EVF medium format camera. Looking at the likes of the H4D and Pentax 645, MF cameras tend to be rather hefty and bulky. That could change if someone took the mirrorless approach. Personally, I LOVE the design of DSLR cameras, I like focal plane shutters, I like the size, weight, and ergonomics of DSLR bodies and lenses. However MF cameras just seem to be a tad too large. With smaller size could come reduced cost, and better ergonomics.

Would anyone be interested in such a thing...a mirrorless EVF medium format DSLR from Canon?
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Canon WFT-E7 Wireless File Transmitter capabilities

What are people's thoughts?

I'm curious - they've pulled out 801.11n which is good for speed, but also the the built-in Bluetooth compatibility - what could it potentially make a Bluetooth connection to in terms of a GPS device for geo-tagging images?

Whilst a EyeFi card in the SD card looks an option - would the WFT-E7 seriously smoke the Eye-Fi for speed of transfer?

Could it allow wireless tethering? Or just shot transmission?

The LAN port also looks interesting - the poor man's 1DX option? http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/wifi_options.do
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Does high price of 5DIII make D7II more likely

I am thinking that the high price of the 5DIII makes a refreshing of the D7 more likely. As it stands there is a $2000 gap between the D7 and next step up, a $2500 jump from the 60D. I would think Canon would still want to court the prosumers who might not need all the bells and whistles on the 5DIII (and wants a pop up flash), but is willing to spend lots of money on lenses.
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Lets get the 70D/7D Mark II rumors flowing!

H
Now that the 5D Mark III has been released, hopefully we will start seeing rumors for the 60D and 7D replacements. 5D Mark III looks like a great camera, unfortunately its not in my price range.

I know most people think Photokina in September for the crop-sensor camera replacements, but can I hope for something before summer time? Does Canon have any incentive to get all these crop-sensor cameras out before the olympics this summer?
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Commercial for 5D Mark III for China Mainland (Played on Canon Shanghai Event)

A little disappointment from me cause i couldn't see the actual 5D mark III at the EOS Booth. Cause I think they didn't want to give the hands-on to public instead of invitation only. I just took the brochure. Full Overview/Highlight over the Canon Shanghai Event of 15 Years of Canon China or 5D Mark III Announcement on March 2nd in Shanghai will be uploaded soon.

For the teaser, check this commercial played on the big screen there and absolutely Jackie Chan again since he's the EOS brand ambassador.

Canon's 5D Mark III 30 Seconds Commercial for China Mainland
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Buy the 5D III or wait for the 5D IV?

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Hey...somebody had to be first. Why not me. :)

Seriously though, and only marginally related to the thread's title (That's called marketing by the way), the new specs of the 5DIII got me thinking about the future of DSLRs.

I know that whenever a new model of anything comes out, we convince ourselves that it is exactly what we have to have and if we just have that we will be happy forever...until the next model comes out. But, if the 5DIII actually performs anywhere close to what Canon is claiming, I am hard-pressed to think of what other features I might ever want in a DSLR.

Full disclosure here: I am not in the market for a full frame DSLR and don't anticipate I will be anytime in the foreseeable future (I am too addicted to the advantages of a 1.6 crop factor).

But, I look at the others specs of the 5DIII and realize that the promised ISO, noise and dynamic range would more than meet my needs. The autofocus would be more than sufficient for anything I am likely to shoot. I might have some small interest in a little faster frame rate, but probably not really. The resolution is more than adequate (I find the 18 mp of the 7D just fine and usually end up throwing away megapixels anyway. I've done prints up to apprx. 2 x 3 feet with no problem at 18 mp, so 22 is more than adequate for virtually anything I will ever do.

The point I'm trying to make is that for a full frame camera, this doesn't seem to me to be a camera on a two-three year replacement cycle. Rather, I could imagine this camera still being very viable for a decade. I know that's a risky statement since no one knows what the future will hold, and, of course Canon is in the business of creating "must have" features in order to keep selling new product. Yet, I do have a hard time imagining what those features might be.

I'm not saying this is the same for everyone, but I am suggesting that we may be turning a corner in the DSLR market where, as the technology matures, the old two-three year cycles won't be applicable in the future.

In my own individual case, I am a big fan of my 7D. It is the best camera I have ever owned and I am a former F1 owner. But, I do see that there are things Canon could improve on for the 7DII. If they follow the path they've set out with the 1Dx and now the 5DIII, I can well imagine a 7D that would also have an extended life cycle.

So, I'm just throwing this out there for others to pick apart. Are we reaching a point with DSLR technology where the viable life-cycle of cameras will grow far beyond the two-three year cycle we've seen in recent history and return to the more traditional five to 10 year cycles that characterized film cameras?
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