We have been told a couple of times now that a “pro” EOS R mirrorless camera that is in the works will have some kind of a hybrid EF/RF lens mount.
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We have been told a couple of times now that a “pro” EOS R mirrorless camera that is in the works will have some kind of a hybrid EF/RF lens mount.
aren't the two mounts phisically incompatible? different diameters and distances (not flange distance)
can one actually mount an EF lens on an R body without an adapter? not use the lens, simply mount it
Having hybrid mount makes sense if hybrid viewfinder too .
Can have best things from both systems.
With a hybrid mount that is geometrically essentially an EF mount, with the sensor moving towards the lens for RF lenses, you could well fit a mirror that is working as in a DSLR in EF mode, and locked up in RF mode.Because you can't have both RF mount and a mirror, so optical or hybrid viewfinders are impossible. Best you could do is a hybrid EVF/rangefinder.
Adapters may get old really quickly but early adopters certainly do.That sounds like a great idea. I'm not at all convinced that 24mm of flange depth is worth obsoleting all of my existing EF lenses. Now that Canon has skimmed-off the early adopters (who were going to buy almost any mirrorless solution Canon offered) it would be nice to see a better solution for EF lenses going forward.
Adaptors get old really quickly and I'm guessing the integrated filter thing sounds better than it really works.
If I have to use an adapter anyway, I might as well just buy an S1R or a A7/A9.
edit: I really appreciate the rumors and such but I think it's time Canon gave us some visibility into where they are going. IMO the entire EF vs RF vs M rollout has been a complete cluster that has done nothing but create a lot of uncertainty about the future of the brand.
What would that leave? Actual Canon Anouncements. You can get these from the official site as well. But as this is a rumors site, I think you are almost the only one who doesn't want to hear rumors.As someone who is interested in actual releases of new FF camera models (since none of the current offerings fit the bill) am I the only one who would rather have silence as opposed to CR1's and 2's?
what do you think is happening with ibis every time its used on systems that have it? It has to recalibrate itself back to center every movement. each adapter joint can introduce micro adjustment issues. However mirrorless corrects for most of these issues automatically using focus. The same techniques for focus should be applicable to a rail movement. It only needs to get within 1/4 of a millimeter and the ibis can compensate for the rest. Getting it perfect without ibis would be hard, but for ibis to work well it needs to self adjust, which can correct for small differences in linear stepping motors that would most likely be used to move a sensor along rails. to be honest moving a sensor in this way is not much different than moving a lens element, with the difference of a ribbon cable thats attached to it.
How long do you think moving a sensor by 26 mm would take? Certainly only a fraction of the time it takes to change lenses. How fast can you change lenses? In 10 seconds maybe? I would guess the sensor could be moved in less than a second, so that would be a non-issue.But it's still going to be slow. The camera would have to detect a different type of lens has been connected, and then it would have to move the sensor 26mm forwards. That's going to take time that no professional is going to want to waste.
But it's still going to be slow. The camera would have to detect a different type of lens has been connected, and then it would have to move the sensor 26mm forwards. That's going to take time that no professional is going to want to waste.
Actually, the rumors are ok as far as I am concerned. It's all the speculation that follows that can be a bit much if I take it seriously. Sometimes, it is better for me if read CR for the humor.As someone who is interested in actual releases of new FF camera models (since none of the current offerings fit the bill) am I the only one who would rather have silence as opposed to CR1's and 2's?
But it's still going to be slow. The camera would have to detect a different type of lens has been connected, and then it would have to move the sensor 26mm forwards. That's going to take time that no professional is going to want to waste.
Tell me again, what is the benefit of doing this vs having an inexpensive adaptor on the EF lens where you can swap lenses and shoot immediately?
Sure it's possible. But it's so utterly stupid that whoever thought this fantasy up should hang their head in shame.
personally i would love to have a pair of cameras with interchangeable sensor size and mount. I think it is a great idea.. right?
Interchangeable back is an interesting idea but it wouldn't be a 1D-line system, it'd be a totally different system. Not a system that's meant in this rumour.
Most importantly, it wouldn't address the main issue with the EF-RF adapter - the hassle of having the adapter itself. Instead of having a $100 adapter one would have to carry two digital backs for a (prospective) combination of EF and RF lenses. In order to change from EF to RF lens, not only one would have to change the lenses, but also the digital backs. With the adapter, at least it's possible to keep it mounted on a lens. Not an option with the digital back.
Also such a modular design comes at a cost, not only the whole system with a single digital back would be more expensive than a monolithic 1D-like camera , but one would have to buy two expensive digital backs (around $2-4k I guess) just in order to to be able to change the lenses.
Of course 'sensor on rails' looks like a much more plausible solution, but don't worry, it's only relatively more plausible compared to the digital back idea. Both solutions are unlikely to be implemented. The very rumour in question is implausible in my opinion.
++ but one would have to buy two expensive digital backs (around $2-4k I guess) just in order to to be able to change the lenses.
lets see, ideally I need 4 pro grade cameras - ideally..:
2 x jack of all trade Full frame - 5D level - for run and gun scenario - mid res - around 40Mp ??
1 x high res - studio, landscape, reproduction work, what ever requires high res work - 80Mp ??
1 x sport fast action type.. say. 30Mp - 15+ FPS Full frame.
I do not shoot video - so this leaves me wanting 4 cameras (only ) - say around $3500 + $3500 $4000 + $6,000 = $17K so far.
in the interchangeable digital back scenario, lets assume, each camera /wo digital back cost: $4,000 and digital back $2000 each?
I need 2 camera bodies and 4 digital backs. that's $8,000 + $8000 = $16,000.00
so the total cost of ownership is just about the same but flexibility though.
we understand benefits of interchangeable lenses very well. having a flexibility of multi resolution digital back at our disposal would be nice to have
Having a Canon modular system with digital backs would be nice. I doubt they'd do it, but it'd be nice.
My point is, such a modular system is not what was meant in this particular rumour. Because
“EOS-1 style EOS R camera” and "hybrid EF/RF lens mount. So this basically means that you’d be able to mount both types of lenses without the use of an adapter."
i keep getting lens connection error with the 70-200. i dont think the adapter is good for long whites when the camera is vertical