There will not be an EOS 5D Mark V [CR2]

[RBSfphoto]

How well does EF glass "actually" perform on an R5?

I think we still have to see how it performs on an r5 but on my eos it performs as well if not faster to focus than on my 5ds or my mark iv. Have had zero issues using all my ef glass on the R. I have been doing this for a living for over 30 years, I tend to be more of a studio shooter , but in my personal work shoot travel, street photography and live music. what I have hated about the r is the lack of a joystick and a scroll wheel everything else I like better than my dslr's . I have not found the evf to be an issue at all even shooting live concerts, at this point, when i grab a camera it is mirrorless, I have a fuji system, a leica q, and the eos r, all the other dslrs sit on the shelf. I am happy to see the r and d go to improving the mirrorless experience for those that want to keep shooting dslr's we won't run of any on the used market anytime soon. No shortage of film cameras for sale used either. If nothing else pentax is committed to dslrs so you could switch systems.

 

[Pixel]

What you're saying is - 5DX!!!

I’m good with that!!

 

[dolina]

At this point does it even make sense for Canon to come out with any new DSLR? The heart of any ILC camera system is the lens selection, and if Canon isn't making any more new EF lens updates, why buy into obsolecense? The only reasons I can think of are price and aversion to EVF.
I doubt Canon would want to go the value route (RP already $900) so why would Canon do this?

Whole camera market is shrinking even before this pandemic. With COVID-19 how many events or ad campaigns are being booked that can fund gear purchases?

I know out of work working photographers are liquidating their gear at a great loss to put food on the table. Businesses wont be back to pre-COVID levels until months after vaccines are made available.

Present EF system will be produced so long as there is demand but I expect production to halt by as late as 2025.

I wasnt surprised that the a new 1 Series and Rebel body was introduced this year. Would be very surprised if any other body comes out.

 

[Pixel]

According to a Canon Ambassador in their own YouTube comment thread (and further responding to my own follow up question) not as good as RF glass. They said not as sharp in their testing with lens calibration and naked eye. They had planned to keep their favorite EF lenses but decided after trying both mounts to replace with RF. Said the EF lenses were softer on the R5. I don’t know if that’s an issue of adapting the mount or if the R5 just out resolves the EF glass. I should’ve asked if it was the same with the R6. They also said the EF glass was perfectly sharp on their 5Dmk4 bodies, just soft on the R5.

There’s absolutely no reason for a loss in sharpness as there’s no glass in the adaptor. The only difference would be head to head performance of the lenses themselves.

 

[dtaylor]

There’s absolutely no reason for a loss in sharpness as there’s no glass in the adaptor. The only difference would be head to head performance of the lenses themselves.

Well...adapter measurements could be off. But I doubt that would be an issue with a Canon made adapter.

 

[Cat_Interceptor]

Not surprised in the slightest. I only grab the 7D II when the weather isnt the best, the M6 II otherwise is just simply a more useful camera. DSLR is dead and Canon can see it in the sales figures

 

[Pixel]

There’s absolutely no reason for a loss in sharpness as there’s no glass in the adaptor. The only difference would be head to head performance of the lenses themselves.

....AND the bigger sensor of the R5 is definitely going to magnify the flaws of older and lower resolution EF lenses.

 

[slclick]

My issue actually are largely with Philippine-based bird watchers who do not know how to mind their own business and want to fund raise off the work of people like me.

They meddle with the very legal activities of Philippine bird photographers who never had any intention to join them in spite of dozens of invitations to pay their fees and follow their rules. I only recognize Philippine law when I'm inside the Philippines and not silly birding rules imported from abroad.

When I go to places like Singapore, the US or Japan to go birding I comply with each respective country's national & local laws. Like in when I went to Smith Oaks Sanctuary in Texas. They had signs up saying that certain sheds and spaces may be reserved by other people and those who have not reserved cannot enter. Unusual rule but I respected and followed it.

They used my images in an unauthorized manner for their financial gain. Where are they when it comes to penis fighting? It harms more birds in 1 hour than any and all bird photographer could do in half a century.

I don't know about you but if you are used and abused by such persons would you be inclined to spend tens of thousands of $ on photographing birds? Their overreach impacted in my personal life. If I could get a DeLorean and travel back to when I was 27 I'd knock all my wisdom teeth out to put some sense into me not to go into birding.

My mother's dying wish is that I take up my MBA. My dad's wish is I take it up 2 years after graduating. Instead I went to one shithole to another to photographing birds when I should have graduated and make my own billion ₱ enterprise. Now with COVID-19... I'll have to delay it yet again.

There are millions of photographers who take photos of wildlife. Would my work be missed?

By the time everyone on this forum is dead new species of wildlife would evolve and taken the birds species' place. This has been happening for billions of years since the time of single cell organisms, first dinosaurs, saber-tooth tigers, homo erectus and homo superior. Anyone miss those fossils?

I get why you've replied that way based on the limited information I provided but birding cost me too much personally and it's an activity more suited for people 3x my age. My time was wasted and that's worth more than the tens of thousands of $ I spent on photographing stupid birds. The only females I met there were grandmas whose husbands wanted to face the birds than them.

If you did not encounter my problems then lucky you. The thing is I did.

Oh the Philippines....now we have context. Usually the problem around here is many forumites assuming it's a Merkan site. We all have our problems, be them locally or globally. However the real problem is there possibly not being another 5D body. I say possibly since this is only a CR2 and not a reason to spill your San Miguel over your Asus laptop.

 

[Pixel]

Well...adapter measurements could be off. But I doubt that would be an issue with a Canon made adapter.

Measurements wouldn’t matter, the focusing is on the sensor and not a focus screen like DSLR. Right?

 

[David - Sydney]

Umm, didn't Canon's last film camera have an eighteen year production run?

If there will be no 5D5, the 5D4 production lifecycle just got extended, one would think.

- A

The problem with such a long production run is the availability of the electronic components. Mechanical parts can be created forever but silicon has a life cycle. This can be the fab or the technology used on the silicon or technology in general that is superceded. Items like CPU/GPU etc have a very limited life cycle. Try to have a corporate standard for laptops means re-qualifying every 3-6 months as the manufacturers exit various corporate models and generally only have a 12-18 month guarantee. Consumer life cycle is even shorter.
I worked in telecom manufacturing where telco providers used to insist of 10+ years of service/support!! Using Intel processors, memory etc was a pain as continuous R&D was needed to qualify the new parts (even specific corporate items) - not to mention when there was diversity of suppliers to ensure continuity.

 

[dolina]

Oh the Philippines....now we have context. Usually the problem around here is many forumites assuming it's a Merkan site. We all have our problems, be them locally or globally. However the real problem is there possibly not being another 5D body. I say possibly since this is only a CR2 and not a reason to spill your San Miguel over your Asus laptop.

It's fine by me if people assume I'm from Florida so people wont pussy foot around me.

When the new system came out I automatically knew all future development would grind to a halt for EF.

The rumor just gives some fuel to my assertion.

Over a decade wasted photographing stupid birds for bird watchers with no sense of boundaries.

 

[dtaylor]

Measurements wouldn’t matter, the focusing is on the sensor and not a focus screen like DSLR. Right?

If the adapter was too far out then the lens wouldn't be able to achieve focus on one end or the other. Also the adapter could introduce an angle that means one side or the other is OOF.

Again, I wouldn't expect this with Canon. I haven't even seen it with cheap 3rd party adapters off eBay (old glass to EOS M), but it is a potential source of error.

 

[deleteme]

Canon put enormous resources behind the launch of the R5 and 6. Thinking they would also plow money into a DSLR in a declining market is highly unrealistic.

 

[Quarkcharmed]

Quarkcharmed, that might work for your concerts, but the problem with EVF lag is more about
1) the cumulative delay
2) after a series of burst shots
3) on a moving target

Those are valid concerns, that's true. I'm looking forward to seeing how the R5 handles that with its 120fps EVF. Note however that OVFs in DSLRs also produce full blackout due to the flapping mirror.

Your figure of 8.3 ms isn't the lag, but rather is the time between refreshes of the monitor in the EVF. There is another delay, which is the processing time it takes to get the image from the sensor to the EVF. We don't know what that figure is yet on the R5. If it is less than 8.3 ms, then you will not have a cumulatively larger lag in the EVF, and all is good. Traditionally, though, that has not been the case. Even with the A9II, there is enough lag so that if you have a 20fps burst for a few seconds, the last shots will be significantly behind a fast moving subject.

During the burst - yes it may cause hiccups. But on the 8.3 ms delay we've already had a very interesting and heated (and very technical) debate here a few months ago.
My point is, briefly, if you have a 120fps EVF, your processing time can't be more than 1/120s on average. If it takes longer, the system won't be able to feed the EVF at 120 fps. Worst case IIRC is the lag in the range [1/120 ... 1/60] seconds, in case there's some parallelisation/multithreading. That's because the system can be taking exposure for the next frame while displaying the previous frame.
On the other hand, if the system is fast enough, you may be getting even less than 1/120s lag, if exposure+readout+display pipeline does everything faster than 1/120s.

Because the A9II is a beast when it comes to read-out (stacked sensor and a few other innovative things), I'm not optimistic the R5 will be better than the Sony in this one feature. Hope to be wrong. I have been on other elements where I've underestimated this body. -tig

I think the A9II does the same 120fps and the reviews are pretty positive on it in general, but burst shooting cases hiccups they say. But not in the electronic shutter mode, which is an advantage over OVFs where you experience a full blackout because of the swinging mirror.

 

[idave4321]

The EF glass works amazingly well on the R line, and the RF mount offers benefits that couldn’t be matched on EF - personally I hope canon keeps focusing on their RF future, and brings out some of those rumoured lenses like the 14-28 f2 and 70-135 f2! New DSLRs pull resources from R&D, compete with their new mirrorless lineup, their current DSLRs, and also a ton of high quality DSLR gear that professionals will be selling as well... this seems like a good business decision, and ultimately they WILL be offering better gear we can all be excited about! I tested the RF 85 1.2 DS on the R, in the city at night, and was Really impressed with the AF, it was well beyond what I could achieve with the 1.2 EF on the 5D4, and on the R5 and R6 that performance will be even better! It’s not really worth paying a lot of money for the same tech that is in an R5 to be crammed into a DSLR, and give you worse performance than you would get in the R5 anyway - the 1DXiii didn’t do so well, but I believe a main factor is that people are waiting for an R1 instead, and getting ready for the leap to mirrorless. It’s exciting to see Canon pushing the limits... The main concern I have is that DSLRs do get substantially more photos per battery, but that is a problem that can be worked around

 

[victorshikhman]

The 5D4 is still selling well, and many would have been happy to pick up the successor, which would mostly have reused existing components. Let's be honest what this is really about. Canon is pushing FF mirrorless. The R5 needs to be a success. If you were the executive in charge of the company, and you clearly are pushing the transition to mirrorless, would you allow a competing product to divert sales from the one metric that you need to show in the powerpoint to the board of directors (R5/R6 sales, and the RF lens sales they drive)? Of course, the answer is no.

 

[Otara]

There’s absolutely no reason for a loss in sharpness as there’s no glass in the adaptor. The only difference would be head to head performance of the lenses themselves.

Without examples and a possible explanation its not worth worrying about.



Absent a brick wall test showing stuff I dont generally lose sleep over, this looks fine to me with an adapted 100-400mm.

 

[Maru]

I believe.. putting a 5dmkV risks the sell of R5 so they cant do a 5d5 ...thats the only reason.. R5 is already costly and doesnt attract a 7dmkII or 90d owner {From price points}..they can only push 5d people for R5 or R6 by discarding 5d series

 

[dolina]

I think a reason why Canon came out with the 1Dx Mark III is for latency issues that may impact sports/photojournalists. They tend to want to keep to tried and true tech.

As for a new Rebel it's targeted at the low end user who tends to be tech laggards and price sensitive.

I hope Canon would disclose when their last EF bodies and EF to RF adapters would be manufactured so I'll get the last units of the last production run.

 

[slclick]

It's fine by me if people assume I'm from Florida so people wont pussy foot around me.

When the new system came out I automatically knew all future development would grind to a halt for EF.

The rumor just gives some fuel to my assertion.

Over a decade wasted photographing stupid birds for bird watchers with no sense of boundaries.

Florida, currently making Kentucky and Utah look good.