Canon confirms addition of Canon Log 3, Cinema RAW Light, lower bit rates and more for the EOS-1D X Mark III and EOS R5

[SteveC]

I trust that we will see R6 pricing being aggressively reduced and much faster than the same of R5. And that’s by design.
20Mp sensor is to ensure that pros and prosumers are less tempted with R6.

personally, I believe that a 30Mp R6 would challenge R5 sales numbers. 30Mp sensor in R or 5D4 has never been an issue for the product target audience. So many would choose to buy R6 over R5. That’s not Canons intention in present limiting market conditions.

I can't disagree with that, as I would likely have bought a 30MP model myself. Of course, it might have split the difference in price, too.

 

[cornieleous]

Perhaps 5Div users been waiting for a worthy mirrorless upgrade, and the R5 is it. The R6 will get some love from 90D user mirrorless upgrade crowd.

I think almost anyone pushing a 5D4 or 6D2 to the limits of their capability were looking to these cameras as upgrades. I have been using those for landscape and astro timelapse stills with limited video work and pushing all those capabilities as hard as possible. These new cameras open up a lot of possibilities and so far seem very worth the upgrade, the R5 workflow is awesome. It seems blatant that these are mirrorless successors to those two stills with video models and that the extra long wait for Canon mirrorless was due to the company developing some technology, testing the R, and deciding whether to develop more DSLR or go all in on MILC. Would not be at all surprised if they developed both MILC and DSLR and chose the direction the market was heading.

I think the R5 was always intended to be the MILC 5D5, it is obvious by feature set and price. You have to be very uninformed and ignore the spec. sheet to think it is a full time video camera or otherwise. Sadly many of the consumers today are spoon fed their information by talking heads and amateurs on youtube and cannot really inform themselves well on their own no matter what resources they are presented. Canon marketed the R5 agressively, perhaps too much, to take some thunder away from competitors, but they may have alienated some of that spoiled young crowd when it was revealed the camera was not a dedicated video camera but a stills biased hybrid with some video chops that come with limits.

 

[Rocksthaman]

I think the 8K was a huge marketing error. Canon should have gone with an insanely good 4K and frame rates at the release date. All the other features of the R5 sell itself. Meanwhile, the software geeks that they keep in the sound proof padded rooms perfect the 8K features, then put the code on ice. When the competition hints they are going 8K, Canon releases the 8K firmware update and spoils their party.

Right, who in the name of R&D told Canon we wanted 8k and what did it cost/or what feature could we have had in exchange.

Its fine but downsampled 5-6 k would have been amazing to 4kHQ.

 

[Southstorm]

looking At RAW vs CRAW from a IQ / file size angle, it seems that introduction of Lower bit-rate in video modes would not affect IQ as much. However, may result in bandwidth utilisation reduction by half approximately, resulting in substantial recording limits improvements.

I'm not sure this is the right comparison...

Canon RAW uses a Lossless compression, which is very efficient. Canon cRAW uses a Lossy compression showing almost no difference when compared to RAW.

Lowering bit-rates really has nothing to do with the compression. It will reduce the processor workload while at the same time lowering the quality of the video. How much depends on the final bit-rate.

 

[janmaly]

8bit 420 option for all Canon Logs would be really cool. As almost no computer is able to playback R5's 10bit 422. Unless you create proxy files .

 

[SecureGSM]

I'm not sure this is the right comparison...

Canon RAW uses a Lossless compression, which is very efficient. Canon cRAW uses a Lossy compression showing almost no difference when compared to RAW.

Lowering bit-rates really has nothing to do with the compression. It will reduce the processor workload while at the same time lowering the quality of the video. How much depends on the final bit-rate.

Sure. The question remains: would lowering bit-rates reduction by 50% results in equally Noticeable video IQ degradation? what’s is the trade off here?

 

[BeenThere]

Right, who in the name of R&D told Canon we wanted 8k and what did it cost/or what feature could have as in exchange.

Its fine but downsampled 5-6 k would have been amazing to 4kHQ.

Sometimes the marketing people lead the band.

 

[Daner]

I don't suppose there are any rumours to update the EOS R firmware with animal AF?

The enhanced AF functions such as Animal AF have so far only been seen on cameras with DPAF2 and Digic X processors. The EOS R has neither.

Focus stacking, on the other hand, is a feature on the RP but not the R, so one would think that that feature could be added to the R via firmware since the processor on the R is not inferior to that on the RP.

 

[Skux]

Imagine if the lower bitrates didn't increase recording time before overheating

 

[Ozarker]

Shooting video yesterday and today with my iPhone 8+ in 4K and it keeps overheating.

 

[SecureGSM]

Imagine if the lower bitrates didn't increase recording time before overheating

I suspect that it may improve recovery times instead if less total amount of heat was generated due to lower payload on CFE which seems to be one of the major heat generators here? Less heat generated = less heat to dissipate..

 

[cornieleous]

Shooting video yesterday and today with my iPhone 8+ in 4K and it keeps overheating.

Apple has clearly crippled it then, and they are doomed! Try jamming a screwdriver in the charge port and see if it fixes it.

 

[BeenThere]

Shooting video yesterday and today with my iPhone 8+ in 4K and it keeps overheating.

Apple is D........ Well you know.

 

[tomislavmoze]

I can't disagree with that, as I would likely have bought a 30MP model myself. Of course, it might have split the difference in price, too.

I can say as previus owner of both 5dmk4 and the R that the R6 files are on par to those cameras, the file is much sharper and if you upscale it to 30mpx comparable to those two cameras. That is my experience so far from working with R6 files. Also I own a R5 and have to say that the R6 is for some reason so much more fun to use, fell in love int R6 on the first photo-shot 3 days ago. A lot of photographers use 1dx series for serious photoshoots. I often chose my 1dx to 5dmk4 in some big commercial shots and did not regret it, the file from those sensors is easily pushed 30% up if needed for print. Same goes for the R6.

 

[TMHKR]

Lower bit rate option for 8K RAW video recording

What's the benefit? Less heat?

Yes, at least on the CFexpress end. Lower bitrate = less Mbps to continuously write to the card.

 

[IggyMo]

8bit 420 option for all Canon Logs would be really cool. As almost no computer is able to playback R5's 10bit 422. Unless you create proxy files .

It has nothing to do with 10 bit 422. It's the h265 codec compression that is not well supported by current editing software and hardware that is at fault. If it was 10 bit 422 in the older h264 codec we're all used to, there would be absolutely no problem. This software/hardware support will eventually get an update and all will be fine.

 

[Southstorm]

Sure. The question remains: would lowering bit-rates reduction by 50% results in equally Noticeable video IQ degradation? what’s is the trade off here?

Based purely on my own speculation I imagine there is a LOT of room to lower bit-rates on Canon's CODEC since they have everything at such high bit-rates to start with. A proper CODEC only needs so many bits to work with, anything extra is just fluff. 470mbps for 4K30p fine is a very large bit-rate for h265.

 

[IggyMo]

In other R5 news relating to the firmware update that just came out. Professional filmaker "wolfcrow" on his youtube channel reports major improvements in the overheating department. Now, even the 8k RAW is absolutely usable on professional shoots. He reports much longer recording times and very, very quick recovery times. Now I'm pretty sure that in conjuction with the future update that will give lower bitrate options and canon raw light, the overheating issue will be completely resolved allowing unlimited recording times.

 

[photoenix]

they should bring back mRAW and sRAW

 

[IggyMo]

Based purely on my own speculation I imagine there is a LOT of room to lower bit-rates on Canon's CODEC since they have everything at such high bit-rates to start with. A proper CODEC only needs so many bits to work with, anything extra is just fluff. 470mbps for 4K30p fine is a very large bit-rate for h265.

Yeah, not much degradation at all. Sony a7'3 users have been shooting 4k with a 100mbps for years and it looked great. The only thing that was limiting its quality was the lack of 10 bit 422. 8 bit 420 falls apart pretty quickly when colorgrading. Canon could easily cut its bitrates in half and you wouldn't notice anything. Heck the brand new A73S shoots 4k120 at 280mbits which is still half of canon's 4k24!!! Canon 4k120 sits at an outrageous 1800 mbits or so... this is way too much and unnecessarily so.