4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
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They really need:
4k that is real 4k and not like 1080P
forget all the stupid DNR where they turn even ISO 100 to wax unless it's extreme contrast edges, we want natural 'grain' and detail and we don't want fine surface detail to be turned to mush from plasticky fake looking DNR!
we need 10bits not bits recorded internally, 10bits 4:4:4, compressed, detailed, 4k recorded internally would be great (4:2:2 at worst). (and it should allow 1080p RAW like ML)
and how about just building the zebras and focus 100% box and focus peaking in? basic stuff!
4k that is real 4k and not like 1080P
forget all the stupid DNR where they turn even ISO 100 to wax unless it's extreme contrast edges, we want natural 'grain' and detail and we don't want fine surface detail to be turned to mush from plasticky fake looking DNR!
we need 10bits not bits recorded internally, 10bits 4:4:4, compressed, detailed, 4k recorded internally would be great (4:2:2 at worst). (and it should allow 1080p RAW like ML)
and how about just building the zebras and focus 100% box and focus peaking in? basic stuff!
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Does Canon want to lose that 10% of video buyers? I don't think so- then their 5D sales go down 10%.
4K isn't a fad like 3D was- it's here for the long run. Canon needs to take a lesson from Apple and cannibalize themselves (their Cinema EOS line) before someone else does it for them.
Putting 4K and 1080p RAW in the next 5D is essential- otherwise, video shooters will be buying something else.
And how many Cinema EOS buyers started out with a 5DII? A lot. Then they graduated to a C300.
If the next generation of shooters starts out with a GH4 or A7S, they'll be much more inclined to graduate to a higher end Panasonic or Sony cinema camera. And whoops, then those C300 sales will start to drop, too.
I'm not being a pessimist here, and I'm not a Canon hater- I LOVE their products- the quality is just incredible. But they have to stop protecting Cinema EOS market share and start giving people what they want.
4K isn't a fad like 3D was- it's here for the long run. Canon needs to take a lesson from Apple and cannibalize themselves (their Cinema EOS line) before someone else does it for them.
Putting 4K and 1080p RAW in the next 5D is essential- otherwise, video shooters will be buying something else.
And how many Cinema EOS buyers started out with a 5DII? A lot. Then they graduated to a C300.
If the next generation of shooters starts out with a GH4 or A7S, they'll be much more inclined to graduate to a higher end Panasonic or Sony cinema camera. And whoops, then those C300 sales will start to drop, too.
I'm not being a pessimist here, and I'm not a Canon hater- I LOVE their products- the quality is just incredible. But they have to stop protecting Cinema EOS market share and start giving people what they want.
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transpo1 said:
+1
And video/film/movie guys tend to not sit around waiting as long as still shooters are willing to for new equipment.
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A reason why big glass like the 800, 600, 500, 400/2.8, 300/2.8, 200/2.0 and 200-400/4.0 are expensive is because their production run are far far far fewer than say a 16-35/2.8, 24-70/2.8 or 70-200/2.8 IS.9VIII said:
So expect a higher price for a "lite".
And having no video whether it be 1080p, 4K or whatnot is like trying to sell a car without AC or a radio.
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3D is a fad(gimic). I dont know anyone who buys a tv or projector bc its 3D. Now 3D just comes with it as a spec perk to one up or have that text on the box of their product to match another. You dont see anyone crying for 3D in their next DSLR or eos cinema do you or at least not enough to notice. 3D is something you take your kids to see at the movies just bc they think it is cool. 4k isnt a fad but it is a gimic when its something I wouldnt want to use bc of how bad it will look in low light at price points we are talking about. If I video a wedding in 4K(despite how terrible it will look bc we all know weddings have terrible lighting) how many people can watch it even if they have a 4K tv. I did a dance recital in May. Sold 40 videos. 1 Blu-RAY.....ONE!!!!! 39 DVDs. these people have a 1080p capable TV but nothing to play a blu-ray on(I bet their children do but they dont know it). Blue-ray was same price as DVD. Yes I can crop the 4K but Im still left with lower quality 1080P bc the low light is worse. more pixels on same size sensor=worse low light as compared to 1080P wouldnt it? I think in the next 2 years there will be a sharp increase in 4K tv sales simply because it will be at that 1,000-1,500 price point. but what about 4K media...4k media players. Im still waiting on people to adopt 1080P and thats why I want better 1080P NOW. I admit I dont know if current blu-ray players will play 4K. If so then that will speed up its adoption into mainstream. Im fine with 4K staying at a professional pricepoint(good quality 4K) because thats where it belongs. canon needs to focus on improving something that I can use to improve the quality of what I use to make a living with. I wont make more money bc my camera will do poor or semi decent 4K.transpo1 said:
I honestly think only the impulse buying uneducated consumer/prosumer will buy 1 dslr over the next simply bc it has 4K and the other doesnt. anyone who cares about the real world quality of the specs and what they could do with them will be worried about QUALITY. Theres a new sony 3CCD camera coming out thats 1080P for 4,999 and is suppose to have better low light and longer optical focal length than the previous generation. However Sony currently offers a 4K 60fps camera thats 4,498. why wouldnt I buy the 4K camera? number 1 the quality sucks and number 2 I cant sell it to anyone because they cant watch it.
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4k Capture is not so much about 4k delivery currently. Its about producing higher quality 1080p by doing spatial and color oversampling Reselting in sharper images with higher color depth. We know from magic lantern that even the current generation sensors are capable of much higher quality than the stock firmware allows. The bottleneck in the currant models is the ancient CF card interface. I expect the next generation to adapt cfast that will allow higher bit rates, better codecs and larger files. Canon cinema is super35 format not full frame 35mm. People use those cameras for their image quality, long recording capability and pro sound inputs. A 4k dslr would not really compete with the c series products.
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I am sorry but 4k is not a gimic. 4k is great for image stabilization and getting a far better downsampled 1080p image. I believe that 4k will be released into a smaller camera-ie below the 1dc. I am not saying there wont be a compromise but i dont think they can wait forever to release the 4k into a smaller camera body.
I could see 4k in a 5d body and 2.5k in a smaller (7d) body.
I could see 4k in a 5d body and 2.5k in a smaller (7d) body.
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
What he said.
Although I'm not really fussed about RAW if they can improve the overall dynamic range.
Listening to people bitch about Canon not cannibalising their Cinema EOS line is all fine and dandy when it comes to the C100/300/500 but in my views the 1DC is fair game.
Its basically a 1DX with a fancy firmware and (supposably a better heat sink, but not proven).
Kill that puppy off from the Cinema line up and put the features that you learned from there into the 1DX2 and 5D4.
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brianftpc said:
Sad and absurd. And the same people then go around telling everyone that there is no need for 4k since even 1080p barely looks better than SD.... HELLO because all you ever watch on your 1080P is out dated ancient SD crappy signals! Duh!
DVDs and crappy streaming. What a shame.
For a long time music and audio quality just got better and better, sadly, kids born today will never even know what decent audio and video quality was. They will be lucky to get Betamax quality.
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Hi LTRLI.
It could be worse, they might only get VHS quality! ;D
Just a disposable comment please don't start a which is best war!
Cheers Graham.
It could be worse, they might only get VHS quality! ;D
Just a disposable comment please don't start a which is best war!
Cheers Graham.
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If you don't care about video, stop crying.
Video is not separate. Nobody buys handy cams and video cameras anymore. People also used to cry about cameras on phones.
Video cameras are getting phased out and will cease to exist, except for dedicated broadcast or cinema cameras of course. But under a certain price point, stills and video is going to be in one device.It is not driving up the cost of your camera so please shut up.
Video is not separate. Nobody buys handy cams and video cameras anymore. People also used to cry about cameras on phones.
Video cameras are getting phased out and will cease to exist, except for dedicated broadcast or cinema cameras of course. But under a certain price point, stills and video is going to be in one device.It is not driving up the cost of your camera so please shut up.
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Fearless forecast for the 5D Mark IV
- Announcement will be made after March 2015. This will mark the 3rd year of the 5D Mark III.
- Faster CFast memory cards will replace slower CF memory cards to allow in-camera high quality 4K video.
- USB 3 interface.
- Inclusion of features from most of the Canon SLRs.
- Still single grip.
- Announcement will be made after March 2015. This will mark the 3rd year of the 5D Mark III.
- Faster CFast memory cards will replace slower CF memory cards to allow in-camera high quality 4K video.
- USB 3 interface.
- Inclusion of features from most of the Canon SLRs.
- Still single grip.
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The 5D MK IV needs 4K video.
Cheaper cameras offer 4K video and they are very popular with independend Videographer/Filmmaker.
Even when you don´t need the end result in 4K, shooting in 4K makes sense.
It helps with getting more details, greenscreen shooting etc.
Many Videographer would buy a 5D MK3 instead of a GH4 if only the 5D MK3 had 4K.
Now for the 5D MK3 it´s a bit much to wish for, given it´s age.
But when the 5D MK IV will not have 4K it´s a major letdown.
Cheaper cameras offer 4K video and they are very popular with independend Videographer/Filmmaker.
Even when you don´t need the end result in 4K, shooting in 4K makes sense.
It helps with getting more details, greenscreen shooting etc.
Many Videographer would buy a 5D MK3 instead of a GH4 if only the 5D MK3 had 4K.
Now for the 5D MK3 it´s a bit much to wish for, given it´s age.
But when the 5D MK IV will not have 4K it´s a major letdown.
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This is the reason I am not too excited about the specs of the 7D II. Everything is great in it, except 4K.gjones5252 said:
Someone said once video is 25% stabilization, 25% focus and 50% voice.
This is most probably not true but not far from it. 4K helps a lot in stabilizing video in post.
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a camera like the 7D MK2, bought today to use it for 3-4 years, without 4K?
sorry but i have to pass.
i will put that money in a sock and wait for the 5D MK IV. until then i use a GH4.
would love to be able to use all my canon lenses on a canon body for 4K video!
but the GH4 works for now.
sorry but i have to pass.
i will put that money in a sock and wait for the 5D MK IV. until then i use a GH4.
would love to be able to use all my canon lenses on a canon body for 4K video!
but the GH4 works for now.
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That certainly would be great, but the way I see it, I'm not due for a body upgrade until probably the Mark V.
I wonder what will come after 4k video? I think I heard of 6k? I don't even know what that is. I just hope by the time the Mark V comes around, it will have Dual Pixel AF, and perhaps a next generation sensor technology so the Nikon dynamic range junkies will quit bugging Canon users by asking questions on forums that they don't want the answer to and is merely bragging in disguise.
I wonder what will come after 4k video? I think I heard of 6k? I don't even know what that is. I just hope by the time the Mark V comes around, it will have Dual Pixel AF, and perhaps a next generation sensor technology so the Nikon dynamic range junkies will quit bugging Canon users by asking questions on forums that they don't want the answer to and is merely bragging in disguise.
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