5d3 vs. 7D2 as general use body
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OK, you guys have convinced me that there is little point, right now, in adding a 5dIII. Given that my wife swears that she really isn't interested in wide angle as a general rule. I can let her use my 24-105 f4L (which canon seems to think is less than optimal for the 5DS-r) or the 16-35 f2.8 LII, so maybe the 7DII with it's more recent features is all around better than the 6D. I doubt that she wants to go bigger than 16x20. Full frame has been the dream for a while, I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes here. So, clearly, I'm leaning to the 7DII, especially since it may actually have a resale value. Unlike me, my spouse just wants a tool to use that will help her shoot the image she wants-what a novel concept.
How wrong can I be on 7DII over 6D?
Warning: attempt at humor follows. ;D And, yes, I recognize that this is a first world problem when my OCD doesn't have me hyper focused on camera selection and ignoring a volatile stock market, and crazy religious people (all religions) with guns and bombs. Oh wait...does that mean only 1DXs are OK where you have to photograph in combat or natural disasters? Here I go obsessing again. Damn.
OK, you guys have convinced me that there is little point, right now, in adding a 5dIII. Given that my wife swears that she really isn't interested in wide angle as a general rule. I can let her use my 24-105 f4L (which canon seems to think is less than optimal for the 5DS-r) or the 16-35 f2.8 LII, so maybe the 7DII with it's more recent features is all around better than the 6D. I doubt that she wants to go bigger than 16x20. Full frame has been the dream for a while, I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes here. So, clearly, I'm leaning to the 7DII, especially since it may actually have a resale value. Unlike me, my spouse just wants a tool to use that will help her shoot the image she wants-what a novel concept.
How wrong can I be on 7DII over 6D?
Warning: attempt at humor follows. ;D And, yes, I recognize that this is a first world problem when my OCD doesn't have me hyper focused on camera selection and ignoring a volatile stock market, and crazy religious people (all religions) with guns and bombs. Oh wait...does that mean only 1DXs are OK where you have to photograph in combat or natural disasters? Here I go obsessing again. Damn.
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OK, I'm down to making a decision. It is between the 7D2 and the 5D3. $1299 vs. $2149 (with rebate for a printer that gets given away because I don't want it- plus hassle of submitting forms for rebate). Aside from cost difference, which isn't my main consideration, could it be that the 7D2 is a better general use camera for people and non-wide landscape shooting. Particularly, how will the 7D2 do with 100mm and 180mm macros?
My personal preference is for FF, simply because I like the shallower DoF, like to blow up large prints, and am used to a 50mm being 50mm (it's how I learned). Perhaps the 70D2 is just as good for this use =, and I am prejudiced. I also like the idea of learning to use a better auto focus system than the one on the 6D.
Anyway, thanks for tolerating my meanderings. Given my current camera and lens collection, a full frame is always available. For now, if anyone has any reason (like micro sucks on the 7D2) not to get the cropped sensor please let me know-soon.
My personal preference is for FF, simply because I like the shallower DoF, like to blow up large prints, and am used to a 50mm being 50mm (it's how I learned). Perhaps the 70D2 is just as good for this use =, and I am prejudiced. I also like the idea of learning to use a better auto focus system than the one on the 6D.
Anyway, thanks for tolerating my meanderings. Given my current camera and lens collection, a full frame is always available. For now, if anyone has any reason (like micro sucks on the 7D2) not to get the cropped sensor please let me know-soon.
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dak723 said:
+1. I've got the same experience. I've given my 500D to my father and replaced it with a 6D. 6D is a lot better most of the time but I really miss my 500D as I can frame easier using it for macros. I ended up giving my father my S100 (since he does not like taking big DSLR with him) and getting back my 500D.
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Rupp1 said:
Sorry, I'll try and come up with something more socially redeeming for you,. Are you sure you were looking for a camera forum?
I think you are taking these two comments and yourself a little too seriously.
Lighten up.
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Maybe the 5Dr is too finicky, that is a possibility. It might also blow your mind with the unbelievable resolution and detail it offers after you have crawled up the learning curve.
Chances that you end up hating it look fairly slim.
As for the 7DII, somebody photographing flowers that are growing on the ground might appreciate a focusing screen that you can flip to any position. In which case the 70D would be a better idea with all its limitations compared to the 7DII which seems to be aimed more at action photography. Of course you can shoot tethered with the 7DII. Sky is not the limit.
Chances that you end up hating it look fairly slim.
As for the 7DII, somebody photographing flowers that are growing on the ground might appreciate a focusing screen that you can flip to any position. In which case the 70D would be a better idea with all its limitations compared to the 7DII which seems to be aimed more at action photography. Of course you can shoot tethered with the 7DII. Sky is not the limit.
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I would say that owning a 7DII is never to be regretted. It is a very versatile and capable camera with brilliant ergonomics. Compared to a full frame camera, there will be some areas the 7DII's crop sensor lags behind, but the over-all-picture-quality of the 7DII is rather impressive.
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Your wife should be fine with the 7D 2. Having 3 Custom settings on the program dial will be better than 1 on the 70D. She will be able to take spectacular flower pics. If she has to get the camera close to the ground there are many ways to do this. People have been doing this for years before articulating screens came out. I have my 3 custom settings almost filled up 1- BIF, 2 - Flash and 3 will be for HDR. I bought my wife a 70D because she had an Olympus C7070 with an articulating screen. We go out together and take pics locally. She has used my 70-200 f4 IS and likes it. She wants to use my 100 f2.8. Macro next spring. She has pics of close up bees and a dragon fly that I would have liked to have taken. Good Luck with your new cameras and post some pics and let us know how you two are making out with your new cameras. I have to go and wash the green off my face.
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I'm still leery of the 7DII as being a specialized sports and nature body which doesn't feel general use-ish to me (in my heart, I know everyone wants to experiment with wider angles 
. I'm a little leery of the 5DIII because I hate buying a camera just before it gets replaced. Also, and I apologize for not mentioning this sooner, I have an extensive collection of L glass which I fear would be better on the 5D, especially on the wide side. Maybe FanBoy had one fair point about my taking this too seriously. In the scheme of things, the cost difference between the two cameras is half the price of a new lens, more or less (just look at that 600 f4L). Or, perhaps the best bet is to wait for new body announcements; indecision may be a decision.
My cogitation continues, silly as it is. OCD is a handicap until it's time to print.
. I'm a little leery of the 5DIII because I hate buying a camera just before it gets replaced. Also, and I apologize for not mentioning this sooner, I have an extensive collection of L glass which I fear would be better on the 5D, especially on the wide side. Maybe FanBoy had one fair point about my taking this too seriously. In the scheme of things, the cost difference between the two cameras is half the price of a new lens, more or less (just look at that 600 f4L). Or, perhaps the best bet is to wait for new body announcements; indecision may be a decision. My cogitation continues, silly as it is. OCD is a handicap until it's time to print.
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I shoot sports/nature/wildlife/travel with 5DM3 and 7D2 ... and 16/35 - 24/105 - 70/200 f4 IS- 100/400 v2 ...
If I had to choose ONE, I'd choose the 5DM3, but I'm really, really glad I don't have to make that choice. The 5DM3 is very versatile, but the 7D2 can't be matched for sports and birds. But, you can shoot the full-frame 5DM3 with the 100/400 and Ext 1.5 very nicely as well. If the price suits you, wait for the next release of the 5D series, but its been generally true that each jump is a small improvement, and it takes several jumps before it really makes a big enough quality difference to justify the cost difference. So, at the price now, 5DM3 makes a lot of sense with the lenses you have.
If I had to choose ONE, I'd choose the 5DM3, but I'm really, really glad I don't have to make that choice. The 5DM3 is very versatile, but the 7D2 can't be matched for sports and birds. But, you can shoot the full-frame 5DM3 with the 100/400 and Ext 1.5 very nicely as well. If the price suits you, wait for the next release of the 5D series, but its been generally true that each jump is a small improvement, and it takes several jumps before it really makes a big enough quality difference to justify the cost difference. So, at the price now, 5DM3 makes a lot of sense with the lenses you have.
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Jopa said:Silly question! Sounds like you don't love your wife anymore
You know, I almost answered that comment seriously.
One ads r is probably enough around here for now-she can borrow it. I guess my Canon 180mm macro was a waste of money?
Should I start another topic on whether it's too late in the cycle to buy a 5DIII ? I've got lenses to go long, but I don't want to buy S lenses to go wide. Looks like monkey44 has commented on that as I type. Hmmm, do I know anyone who wants a Canon pima 100 for the holidays?
Edit: I see that refurbished 5dIIIs are available at Canon. Are they guaranteed good as new?
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As the owner of a 7DII that uses it for EVERYTHING.. I love it. love the af, love the spread of points, love the DOF when I still need to shoot wide for low light. I do have a ff, 5DII, and I don't open the 5DII files and ooh and ahh at how much better they are than the 7DII.. in fact they are remarkably similar, for cropability, and the color on the 7DII at higher iso trades off the more grain I may get. There are times I need that 10 fps, and need the anti flickr, and maybe if I had a both a 5DIII and 7DII I'd feel different, but I can tell you I'm going to sell the 5DII and pick up either a used 5DIII or get another 7DII.
People say "sports and wildlife" about that camera like it's its only option, and I'm here to say it is also a great all around camera, and other than the 70D having a flip out screen, I can't think of another canon crop that has something I'd want on the camera. I shoot quite a bit in the studio, and like the faster sync for flash vs the 1/125 on the 5DII. Also like the piece of mind that if I want to go shoot out in some weather, I really don't care, and know the camera can take it (within reason). Proper exposure is the key to the sensor, but it is remarkably flexible, and miles above any other crop sensor I've used.
People say "sports and wildlife" about that camera like it's its only option, and I'm here to say it is also a great all around camera, and other than the 70D having a flip out screen, I can't think of another canon crop that has something I'd want on the camera. I shoot quite a bit in the studio, and like the faster sync for flash vs the 1/125 on the 5DII. Also like the piece of mind that if I want to go shoot out in some weather, I really don't care, and know the camera can take it (within reason). Proper exposure is the key to the sensor, but it is remarkably flexible, and miles above any other crop sensor I've used.
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KSGal, it is nice to hear your enthusiasm about the 7DII. I can't think of another crop I'd like better either, but then I am questioning the crop format. In the studio, I can live with syncing at 200 (5D3 and ads-r).I am curious about what lenses you prefer in a studio? Keep in mind that lenses are community property. I currently own no EF-S glass.
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Edit: I see that refurbished 5dIIIs are available at Canon. Are they guaranteed good as new?
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I've bought several refurbished items at Canon (7D and 60D) - for family members. Never a single problem, and Canon provides the same one-year warranty as a new unit. You almost can't go wrong with factory refurbished for the bucks you spend.
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I've bought several refurbished items at Canon (7D and 60D) - for family members. Never a single problem, and Canon provides the same one-year warranty as a new unit. You almost can't go wrong with factory refurbished for the bucks you spend.
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I have a 6D, a 7D2 and a T5i. I shoot lots of things, all the time and have for 30 years.
For my money, just my $0.02.... for a lady (less forearm strength) I'd buy a 6D for full frame or a T6i for crop body. I think both have better sensors than their respective competition, the 5D3 and the 7D2. Even if the 7D2 sensor is just as good, it's more expensive, heavier, and has a lot of feature you don't need. I use my 6D the most, my T5i second most, and my 7D2 the least (long reach or sports only). Based on the specs and the published performance data, I think the T6i is a real sleeper- great little camera.
Pax.
For my money, just my $0.02.... for a lady (less forearm strength) I'd buy a 6D for full frame or a T6i for crop body. I think both have better sensors than their respective competition, the 5D3 and the 7D2. Even if the 7D2 sensor is just as good, it's more expensive, heavier, and has a lot of feature you don't need. I use my 6D the most, my T5i second most, and my 7D2 the least (long reach or sports only). Based on the specs and the published performance data, I think the T6i is a real sleeper- great little camera.
Pax.
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Thanks LovePhotography for the thoughts on the 7DII being for sport and speed. The lady in question thought that my 1DX had "a nice solid feel". She might not want to shoot hand held with the 500 F4L if she could help it, but weight isn't an issue. If traveling light, there is always the sony, or even the little Fuji x100S which reminds me of the old days when I was learning ( 60's).
Anyway, enough said on weight. Comes down to crop or not? Obsolescence or not? More of less $$? Best fit with existing lenses?
Again, that was a very considerate thought. I looked into the T5 and it seems an excellent camera.
Anyway, enough said on weight. Comes down to crop or not? Obsolescence or not? More of less $$? Best fit with existing lenses?
Again, that was a very considerate thought. I looked into the T5 and it seems an excellent camera.
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Rupp1 said:
My favorite Canon camera is the 6D. Crazy good (and even better considering the price). And, I know people will disagree strongly, but I like the layout of the buttons on the back better than on the 5D3 or 7D2. That being said, I'm planning to get a 5D4 when the price hysteria dies down some. And possibly a 5DsR, which I consider to be a 6D with 50 MP instead of 20 MP. And, I'm gonna get an LG 4k OLED EG 9500 flat 65 inch screen after the price drops in the Spring to f*ckin' amaze myself with my camera's quality! To heck with TV- don't watch it.
Me? I would go 6D full frame, and for $300 buy a 1.4 extender that effectively turns it into a crop sensor to use as necessary. You can always go longer with a 1.4 or 2.0 teleconvertor, but you can't go wider when you've got a crop sensor without major distortion. And the 1.4 TCiii doesn't mess up your resolution much more than the sensor on a 7D2 does when compared with the 6D.
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yes, that's sort of where I'm heading. Especially since I have all the extenders etc. already. Just have to feel good about a possibly obsolete camera, monetarily and in terms of software. The upgrades don't come after the new model comes out. Hope it doesn't need any more. I don't think that I have much more that I can add at present.
Thanks to all who have tried to help
Thanks to all who have tried to help
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Jopa said:Silly question! Sounds like you don't love your wife anymore
Weight?
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